Parents denied visitor's visa for third time

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were they asked to submit an I 134?

[catknit 144]

Were the trips to the UK or Canada recent? If they were, say, decades ago, maybe the CO would give that evidence less weight.

Also, would they be adverse to traveling separately? It may not be the best scenario, but I have a handful of NRI friends where only one parent successfully received a tourist visit. Over time, in some cases, both parents ended up with tourist visas.

Another thought - did they go to the interviews back-to-back-to-back? Typically, the staff [at Delhi at least] would suggest a 6 month wait between interviews. Showing up every other week or month wouldn't change their minds.

Please take this as a helpful hint and not as a judgement - having spent days on end in the Delhi consulate waiting, I watched a LOT of visa interviews. Some of the people who had problems were well dress, well spoken, obviously people with the means to travel who took to speaking to the CO in a condescending manner, throwing out comments such as "But we HAVE money - MUCH money", "I am from a PROPER family and have been all over the world, you may not deny the application". I'm not saying that's how your parents are - but if they have those leanings taking that stance at the window does not help at all.

[RoyaleT 0]

The I-134 may confuse the issue a little, as these are used for immigrants, not people trying to show no immigrant intent.

Its a required document for Tourist/Visitors Visa, as they would have been staying with us.

But again, in that too, we put in a line that they are able to bear their own travel and other expenses.

[RoyaleT 0]

No one on this site nor any immigration attorney can give you the 'magic' answer on how your parents might obtain a visa...why? Because there are NO magic answers nor magic solution..anyone who tries to tell you differently is dead wrong....

our laws simply state that every applicant seeking a non immigrant visitor's visa (and some other types) are presumed to be an intending immigrant, and therefore ineligible (from the moment they step up to the window) to receive said visa until such time as they are able to convince the consular officer that they will return to their country of residence promptly at the conclusion of a visit of appropriate duration...

there are NO bright line requirements that must be met (like specific documents to present), nor can a third party 'vouch' for any applicant's actions...

the VOs are there to (largely) judge the intent of the applicant...for whatever the reason(s), your parents have not been able to do this....perhaps they answered questions in a manner that gave the VOs pause...who knows?

But at the end of the day, only your parents can do the convincing...no one else,no papers can do the job.

You may not like to hear this, but it's just the way it is....and please....avoid shelling out hundreds of dollars to have some immigration attorney write some letter that he or she will claim got some other client a visa (they won't tell you how many times it failed to work!!!!)...

letters from congressmen/senators are also of no use nor can those same politicians 'order' a VO to issue a visa because they don't have the authority to do so...

I agree with you, to some extent that there is no magic potion for getting visas. That being said, i don't intend to hire an attorney, but i have seen a case where a convincing email to senior VOs helped in getting Visa after it was denied once. That was genuine case too.

Thank you for your input.

There has to be a solution/an answer, be it anywhere. The only way to know is by trying.

[RoyaleT 0]

were they asked to submit an I 134?

Its reqd as they would have been staying with us. Again, they would have been bearing their all other expenses and we clearly documented that.

[RoyaleT 0]

Were the trips to the UK or Canada recent? If they were, say, decades ago, maybe the CO would give that evidence less weight.

Also, would they be adverse to traveling separately? It may not be the best scenario, but I have a handful of NRI friends where only one parent successfully received a tourist visit. Over time, in some cases, both parents ended up with tourist visas.

Another thought - did they go to the interviews back-to-back-to-back? Typically, the staff [at Delhi at least] would suggest a 6 month wait between interviews. Showing up every other week or month wouldn't change their minds.

Please take this as a helpful hint and not as a judgement - having spent days on end in the Delhi consulate waiting, I watched a LOT of visa interviews. Some of the people who had problems were well dress, well spoken, obviously people with the means to travel who took to speaking to the CO in a condescending manner, throwing out comments such as "But we HAVE money - MUCH money", "I am from a PROPER family and have been all over the world, you may not deny the application". I'm not saying that's how your parents are - but if they have those leanings taking that stance at the window does not help at all.

They travelled to UK, Canada last year. They re applied after a gap of almost a year. They tried to convince VO about their genuiness, without getting temperamental/loud.

Maybe, applying separately works, but i believe VO has access to all information in their computer records & they can easily figure out everything.

Thanks for the input, catknit.

[Ning 619]

lol. Be sensible.

Overstaying and fraud by some people means genuine cases won't be given visas?!? And these things had been done world over, not just India, that lead them to make laws stricter.

Under/overlaod of requirements?!? What's that? You present with your genuine documents, with honest answers. Is that under/overload or whatever?

I would like to think that VO are intelligent/sensible/experienced people who should not be confused with documents. It's their job.

I am here to ask for help, not anyone's opinions. If you can't help, i don't need your opinion, please reserve it.

And before posting a random comment, just try once to put yourself in other person's situation.

It is correct to say the fraud ect means genuine case wont be given visas. And it applies to the world over.

The VO isnt confused by the procedure. You are. And therefore your parents. You seem to think you have something to say about the outcome. As though your opinion mattered to others. Your parents apply as individuals.

If you dont want opinions dont post on a public forum. Dont dismiss those of us with a body of experiance just because they didnt get what you expected.

I have been in the exact position you describe. I just learned to accept the facts & valued the opinions of others.

[RoyaleT 0]

It is correct to say the fraud ect means genuine case wont be given visas. And it applies to the world over.

The VO isnt confused by the procedure. You are. And therefore your parents. You seem to think you have something to say about the outcome. As though your opinion mattered to others. Your parents apply as individuals.

If you dont want opinions dont post on a public forum. Dont dismiss those of us with a body of experiance just because they didnt get what you expected.

I have been in the exact position you describe. I just learned to accept the facts & valued the opinions of others.

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.

Dalai Lama

[aayitrun 66]

politically active in India

could be the problem.

[Harsh_77 718]

By sponsoring, i meant I 134, Affidavit of support.

They brought the whole details of their property, political posts, houses, bank statements, letter of support by congresswomen. Told about grandparents, and my sister living together with them. They planned to stay for 2 weeks..

I request all those gold/diamond, i mean experienced members to help me. Its frustrating to be not able to see/meet your parents!

They really did their best.

What are those merits, that allow your parents to be able to meet/visit/see you?!?!

They have not be able to convience the CO that wht they are saying in interview is correct.

You mentioned in you original post you came as student and got married, did you get married in US or India?

[Harsh_77 718]

They travelled to UK, Canada last year. They re applied after a gap of almost a year. They tried to convince VO about their genuiness, without getting temperamental/loud.

Maybe, applying separately works, but i believe VO has access to all information in their computer records & they can easily figure out everything.

Thanks for the input, catknit.

Applying seperately would not change anything... they have all the records, I can tell you from my personal experience they have records going back to 10 or more years. I was asked a question from my very first visa interview which was 10 yrs back.

Who has applied when what visa etc is all recorded.

Hiring a immigration lawyer would be waste of money... they cannot sway CO opinion all they can tell you what docuements you should take etc.

[GandK 168]

Three times denied in what time span? I don't know the answer but I can imagine that both of them have a pretty big red flag on their application history and they will be denied again if they seek to apply.

It's hard to play a guessing game when the embassy never tell you the exact reason of denial. Looks to me like if you want to see your parents, you might as well save those tourist visa application fees money and fly to see them in India.

[catknit 144]

I suggested the separate visa applications/interviews as an additional tie. If her mom went to interview again, added to her ties would be returning home to the dad/spouse. Like I said, I've seen some people get a visa using that tactic. Some don't. Given their history with denials it may be a way to try in another year or so...

I find this whole ordeal very strange as her parents would fit the typical profile for getting the visa on paper.

OP - are there young kids or a pregnancy going on? One thing the consulate tries to avoid is giving out visas to new/soon-to-be grandparents as grandmas on occasion overstay and become built in nannies.

[RoyaleT 0]

I suggested the separate visa applications/interviews as an additional tie. If her mom went to interview again, added to her ties would be returning home to the dad/spouse. Like I said, I've seen some people get a visa using that tactic. Some don't. Given their history with denials it may be a way to try in another year or so...

I find this whole ordeal very strange as her parents would fit the typical profile for getting the visa on paper.

OP - are there young kids or a pregnancy going on? One thing the consulate tries to avoid is giving out visas to new/soon-to-be grandparents as grandmas on occasion overstay and become built in nannies.

Nope, nothing of the sorts!

[Ning 619]

If you can, help others; if you cannot do that, at least do not harm them.

Dalai Lama

If I run into him I will discuss it with him. Why not ask him what to do? He travels a lot so must know plenty about visas.

You want all gold or diamond members to help you but you are not interested in their opinions. They will not serve as the officer at the embassy so what do you expect them to tell you?

Your parents have failed at being granted a tourist visa 3 times. What do you expect someone here to do about the situation? They submitted what they or you thought would be enough to be granted the visas. You still want to submit a 134 for their case. Why not just do it & have them step up to the window again?

The fact is that they are not able to convince the officer they will return. It isnt them or the submission evidence. Its the level of fraud in the past. Add to that the fact that they have been denied 3 times and you can predict the future.