Proof of having met / Proof of ongoing relationship

[Nathanael 0]

Hi all,

I'm an American filing a K-1 for my fiancee in Brazil.

Considering that Brazil is definitely a "high fraud" country, I wanted to front load my application with proof of ongoing relationship.

But I have a question about that, namely, how do I differentiate between "proof of having met in the last two years" and "proof of ongoing relationship"?

I had thought that I would combine the two into something I could call "Proof of having met in the last two years and ongoing relationship".

In it, I basically wrote out a timeline of our relationship with various pieces of evidence supporting the different events I describe inserted throughout. I thought this would be the clearest way to explain the variety of different forms of evidence that we'll be presenting.

So I just was wondering what would be the best way to present it. Should I duplicate the evidence into the two specific divisions, or will putting it together into something that serves both purposes be okay? I suppose splitting it wouldn't be a problem, but I'd be duplicating a lot of the evidence, giving two copies of the same stuff in the same envelope.

I hope I made that clear...

[Divs 35]

Hi all,

I'm an American filing a K-1 for my fiancee in Brazil.

Considering that Brazil is definitely a "high fraud" country, I wanted to front load my application with proof of ongoing relationship.

But I have a question about that, namely, how do I differentiate between "proof of having met in the last two years" and "proof of ongoing relationship"?

I had thought that I would combine the two into something I could call "Proof of having met in the last two years and ongoing relationship".

In it, I basically wrote out a timeline of our relationship with various pieces of evidence supporting the different events I describe inserted throughout. I thought this would be the clearest way to explain the variety of different forms of evidence that we'll be presenting.

So I just was wondering what would be the best way to present it. Should I duplicate the evidence into the two specific divisions, or will putting it together into something that serves both purposes be okay? I suppose splitting it wouldn't be a problem, but I'd be duplicating a lot of the evidence, giving two copies of the same stuff in the same envelope.

I hope I made that clear...

For the proof of having met in the last two years, you could consider submitting boarding passes, hotel bills, and the likes, and everything else as proof of ongoing relationship.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

What leads you to believe that Brazil is a high-fraud country? They are next up to be included in the Visa Waiver Program.

You definitely need to separate these two types of evidence. One of the most common mistakes is to not include evidence of meeting in person in the last two years. For that, you need things like passport stamps, boarding passes, or receipts in the foreign country, not photographs, or worse, chats.

Don't duplicate evidence. Make your file easy to read and understand.

[C-ma'am 684]

What leads you to believe that Brazil is a high-fraud country? They are next up to be included in the Visa Waiver Program.

You definitely need to separate these two types of evidence. One of the most common mistakes is to not include evidence of meeting in person in the last two years. For that, you need things like passport stamps, boarding passes, or receipts in the foreign country, not photographs, or worse, chats.

Don't duplicate evidence. Make your file easy to read and understand.

I agree with Harpa.

Here's a link to the K1 GUIDE http://www.visajourney.com/content/k1guide please be sure to read it. There are examples of what can be sent there, as well.

Good luck!

[Nathanael 0]

Thanks for you prompt responses. It seemed to me like the two things overlap a bit, but I'll definitely go with separating the two.

[C-ma'am 684]

Thanks for you prompt responses. It seemed to me like the two things overlap a bit, but I'll definitely go with separating the two.

Keep it simple, Nathan You should be ok. They don't want our love stories, they wants facts than can be proved with evidence.

[GuruSikh 6]

I did it this way. I hope this helps.

-> Proof of having met in the last 2 years:

-Copy of airline itinerary

-Copy of Hotel Bill (Engagement/Ring Ceremony)

-Copy of Studio Bill (Recording & album)

-Engagement Invitation Card

-Copy of Ring Receipt

-Photos of us together with dates on photo, attached Walgreen envelope (Wrote description on back of each photo)

->Proof of ongoing relationship:

-Copy of e-mails

-Copy of txt messages

-Copy of Vonage phone bill & call history

-Copy of e-mail receipt of flowers & gifts I sent to her

[ISIS AND TROY 5]

What leads you to believe that Brazil is a high-fraud country? They are next up to be included in the Visa Waiver Program.

Wow!!! Thanks for that!!!

No, Brazil is not a high fraud country, and no matter that, you need ALWAYS to front load your petition with evidence. Good luck!

[C-ma'am 684]

, and no matter that, you need ALWAYS to front load your petition with evidence. Good luck!

I beg to differ. Less is more in some cases Include information that is relevant.

Some specific countries, require front loading, but even then, it cannot be a matter of "let's just throw everything we have there, including a picture of the dog we'll buy together"... at least not for a K1 petition

Edited April 5, 2012 by Celeste & C

[ISIS AND TROY 5]

I beg to differ. Less is more in some cases Include information that is relevant.

Some specific countries, require front loading, but even then, it cannot be a matter of "let's just throw everything we have there, including a picture of the dog we'll buy together"... at least not for a K1 petition

I didn't mention to "throw everything we have including a picture of the dog we'll buy together", I don't know where you read that on my post...

I just expressed MY OPINION, and that's something that the OP will decide if he does or not...

And again IMO, it's always good to provide as much evidence as you have, people that take the visa process for granted have more risk of being denied or even grilled in an interview.

[C-ma'am 684]

I didn't mention to "throw everything we have including a picture of the dog we'll buy together", I don't know where you read that on my post...

I just expressed MY OPINION, and that's something that the OP will decide if he does or not...

And again IMO, it's always good to provide as much evidence as you have, people that take the visa process for granted have more risk of being denied or even grilled in an interview.

Oh no no, I didn't meant it to you personally. I was speaking in general terms, because a lot of people, seem to believe that's the actual definition of front loading. I didn't even say you were wrong..

I'm sorry if it came out as some sort attack to you, it was really not my intention. I understand it's your opinion; which is why I said: I just really differ... that's all.

[ISIS AND TROY 5]

Oh no no, I didn't meant it to you personally. I was speaking in general terms, because a lot of people, seem to believe that's the actual definition of front loading. I didn't even say you were wrong..

I'm sorry if it came out as some sort attack to you, it was really not my intention. I understand it's your opinion; which is why I said: I just really differ... that's all.

[Nathanael 0]

I had read on these forums in another topic that Brazil was "unofficially" somewhere in the top ten.

I would have imagined as much, as from what I've seen in Brazil, it's pretty tough for Brazilians to get visas to the USA of any kind at all.

[DanishBill 15]

I did it this way. I hope this helps.

-> Proof of having met in the last 2 years:

-Copy of airline itinerary

-Copy of Hotel Bill (Engagement/Ring Ceremony)

-Copy of Studio Bill (Recording & album)

-Engagement Invitation Card

-Copy of Ring Receipt

-Photos of us together with dates on photo, attached Walgreen envelope (Wrote description on back of each photo)

->Proof of ongoing relationship:

-Copy of e-mails

-Copy of txt messages

-Copy of Vonage phone bill & call history

-Copy of e-mail receipt of flowers & gifts I sent to her

Sweet!