B1/B2 VISA denial & illegal work -HELP!

[Boiler 45,525]

These are the people who are penalized because of individuals like the poster. http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/371103-mother-denied-visit-visa/page__pid__5416601#entry5416601

Here we have first hand information, that was all second-hand, it appears the issue there was immigrant intent.

In this case the OP cleared that hurdle but due to his passed misbehaviours has 2 more to jump and has managed the highest one.

[TyBy 3]

Guys, you missing the point. I will totally agree with any of the decisions 'Approved' or 'Denied'... my real victory was cleaning my conscience by apologizing for my actions and get the opportunity to be forgiven

Edited June 4, 2012 by TyBy

[jaycali 415]

I will not just shut up because you want me to, I will continue to express my opinion as such. Who are YOU to tell anyone to back off. If this individual was a illegaly Mexican or anyone else from a developing country who was stating the same comments, you'll would be the first one to tell them they have no rights.He did get a bar, he was denied a 2nd visa.

A person living in poverty in Mexico will have a much more difficult time to overcome "immigrant intent", than a person from Israel with a stable job.

Not because Israelis are somehow more trustworthy than Mexicans, but because an Israeli with a stable job will have much more to lose by staying illegally than a poor Mexican.

As far as a bar goes, a visa denial does not = a bar, but a bar = a visa denial.

Overcoming immigrant intent is the main hurdle in getting a B visa, unless a bar is actually in place.

Edited June 4, 2012 by jaejayC

[jaycali 415]

Guys, you missing the point. I will totally agree with any of the decisions 'Approved' or 'Denied'... my real victory was cleaning my conscience by apologizing for my actions and get the opportunity to be forgiven

Congratulations. Whatever happens, I'm glad you did the right thing.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Guys, you missing the point. I will totally agree with any of the decisions 'Approved' or 'Denied'... my real victory was cleaning my conscience by apologizing for my actions and get the opportunity to be forgiven

I believe you are sincere, and it appears you have learned a lesson from this, good luck!

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

A person living in poverty in Mexico will have a much more difficult time to overcome "immigrant intent", than a person from Israel with a stable job.

Not because Israelis are somehow more trustworthy than Mexicans, but because an Israeli with a stable job will have much more to lose by staying illegally than a poor Mexican.

As far as a bar goes, a visa denial does not = a bar, but a bar = a visa denial.

You are full of it; no man is more trustworthy than another by basing it on his color/nationality. This is what is wrong with this world today. Your opinion is based on false facts.

Yep we finally got to the bottom of, if you are this you should be believed, it you are that you are non-trustworthy.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Guys, you missing the point. I will totally agree with any of the decisions 'Approved' or 'Denied'... my real victory was cleaning my conscience by apologizing for my actions and get the opportunity to be forgiven

And that is the only thing that matters, in the end. I wish you the best of luck!

[JohnR! 5,495]

... because an Israeli with a stable job will have much more to lose by staying illegally than a poor Mexican...

In reality you can't make that call based on one single dimension. The stakes are unique and individual for each person.

[jaycali 415]

You are full of it; no man is more trustworthy than another by basing it on his color/nationality. This is what is wrong with this world today. Your opinion is based on false facts. Yep we finally got to the bottom of, if you are this you should be believed, it you are that you are non-trustworthy.

You didn't read my post correctly. I stated exactly that, no one assumes the Israeli with a stable, well paying job is more trustworthy than a Mexican living in poverty. What I said is that an Israeli with a stable, well paying job will have much more to lose by staying in the US illegally than a poor Mexican would.

Overcoming immigrant intent is not about believing the white man over the brown man, but believing the guy with the stable job in a high-income country is less likely to stay illegally than the poor man fromt he low-income country. It's not based solely on the person's perceived trustworthyness, but the person's actual situation.

If a visa denial was meant to be a punishment, then I agree, your situation should not matter. The point is, unless a bar is in place, a visa denial is not meant to serve as some sort of punishment, but rather a statement that the CO did not sufficiently believe the applicant had strong enough evidence that he/she would return.

In reality you can't make that call based on one single dimension. The stakes are unique and individual for each person.

I completely agree. It's a broader picture, but current income and standards of living in your country of residence/citizenship is a major factor when trying to determine perceived immigrant intent.

Edited June 4, 2012 by jaejayC

[Boiler 45,525]

Mexicans and issued more Visitor Visa's than the next two countries combined.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I completely agree. It's a broader picture, but current income and standards of living in your country of residence/citizenship is a major factor when trying to determine perceived immigrant intent.

That is true too... There is a whole brave new world out there... Emma Lazarus would have to rethink her entire poem.!

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

You didn't read my post correctly. I stated exactly that, no assumes the Israeli with a stable, well paying job is more trustworthy than a Mexican living in poverty. What I said is that an Israeli with a stable, well paying job will have much more to lose by staying in the US illegally than a poor Mexican would.

Overcoming immigrant intent is not about believing the white man over the brown man, but believing the guy with the stable job in a high-income country is less likely to stay illegally than the poor man fromt he low-income country. It's not based solely on the person's perceived trustworthyness, but the person's actual situation.

If a visa denial was meant to be a punishment, then I agree, your situation should not matter. The point is, unless a bar is in place, a visa denial is not meant to serve as some sort of punishment, but rather a statement that the CO did not sufficiently believe the applicant had strong enough evidence that he/she would return.

I completely agree. It's a broader picture, but current income and standards of living in your country of residence/citizenship is a major factor when trying to determine perceived immigrant intent.

All the CO has in front of him to base his decision on is your creditability, there are no checks involved with a visitor visa, therefore the CO doesn't know for a fact if someone has a well paying job or not. It's all based on creditability based on the facts as you present them.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

All the CO has in front of him to base his decision on is your creditability, there are no checks involved with a visitor visa, therefore the CO doesn't know for a fact if someone has a well paying job or not. It's all based on creditability based on the facts as you present them.

It's becoming more clear you didn't read the posts.

The OP needs this visa to travel to the US to attend meetings and the like for his stable job in Israel. His misdeeds were in 2002. (and like I said, that is the most "honest" illegal work I have ever seen... he didn't even overstay... and he used his visa properly after that). He is not getting this visa for fun, but to do his job.

I am certain as a part of the application, the OP had letters from his employer and paystubs showing he does indeed have a job. He says it is a well-known company, so I am sure they called and verified the facts with his HR department, etc etc. They can factcheck a tourist visa application.

Edited June 4, 2012 by Harpa Timsah

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Hey Charles! You were asking about "Crab Mentality". Here it is at work.

[jaycali 415]

All the CO has in front of him to base his decision on is your creditability, there are no checks involved with a visitor visa, therefore the CO doesn't know for a fact if someone has a well paying job or not. It's all based on creditability based on the facts as you present them.

Not everywhere. Job opportunities and pay rates vary significantly from country to country. In country A, getting an average job paying 10x more than illegal work in the US may be rather easy. In country B, getting a job paying half of illegal work in the US may be difficult. It's very country specific.

Basically, the burden of proof is lower the better the conditions in your country are. Not because you're considered more trustworthy, but because you'd be worse off by staying illegally.

For example, I have never heard of a western European, Japanese or Australian etc working illegally in the US to make more money or to provide for his family back home, simply because it doesn't pay off either way you look at it. Thus, that part of "immigrant intent" is very easily overcome. Not by personal credibility, but by the CO's knowledge of country specific situations.

Many countries don't have visa requirements for visitors, see visa waiver program. This isn't because these visitors are considered more trustworthy, but because situations in those countries are such that there is little to no reason to suspect visitors from there would prefer an illegal life in the US over a stable life back home.

Israel, in this case, is one of the non-VWP countries with the highest standard of living, and highest average incomes.

Edited June 4, 2012 by jaejayC