B1/B2 VISA denial & illegal work -HELP!

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

Boiler, breaking the law and lying about makes is creditability completely invalid. There are those who never lied, nor broke the law and they are not offered an opportunity to obtain a visitor visa. You can play with word smith all you want, this individual broke the law.

These are the people who are penalized because of individuals like the poster. http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/371103-mother-denied-visit-visa/page__pid__5416601#entry5416601

[TyBy 3]

Boiler, breaking the law and lying about makes is creditability completely invalid. There are those who never lied, nor broke the law and they are not offered an opportunity to obtain a visitor visa. You can play with word smith all you want, this individual broke the law.

Hi Life's,

I completely respect your opinion, if I heard about such case of "I lied/broke the law and now i'm Sorry" i would probably react the same. BUT, the thing is that in some mental-situations (you may read the initial post) some reactions (such as a "defensive" actions) are legit, NO i don't mean it is OK to lie or break the law but the actual reaction, don't you have any actions that you wish they were forgiven? I glad i had this opportunity , regardless of the outcome (approved/Denied).

I will not start to be defensive here and convince you I'm a wonder-man, it is your right to express your thoughts and I totally respect it. BTW, the officials are not taking in consideration only the country economics but also the background of your employer, i will not elaborate more on this but in my case my employer has a proven history for helping the growth of the US economy, and protecting the US borders, so there is a common interest.

Edited June 4, 2012 by TyBy

[JohnR! 5,495]

1338816638[/url]' post='5416725']

Hi Life's,

I completely respect your opinion, if I heard about such case of "I lied/broke the law and now i'm Sorry" i would probably react the same. BUT, the thing is that in some mental-situations (you may read the initial post) some reactions (such as a "defensive" actions) are legit, NO i don't mean it is OK to lie or break the law but the actual reaction, don't you have any actions that you wish they were forgiven? I glad i had this opportunity , regardless of the outcome (approved/Denied).

I will not start to be defensive here and convince you I'm a wonder-man, it is your right to express your thoughts and I totally respect it. BTW, the officials are not taking in consideration only the country economics but also the background of your employer, i will not elaborate more on this but in my case my employer has a proven history for helping the growth of the US economy, protecting the US borders, so there is a common interest.

Ty, the issue is that there are several angles to a same event. Whereas your reaction at the interview was visceral, for the interviewing officer it was a lie, and that really does not help much. You can try and present it any which way you want but there is little redemption in that. Perhaps if you are give the chance to explain yourself to those who matter and have a say so in this issue, you might consider telling them the actual reasonsn why you lied in your initial interview. These guys are trained to spot inconsistencies and lies, so if you are ever in a position to speak your mind and perhaps mend this situation, tell them the truth, hold nothing back and hope for the best.

In your current situation you have no other aces with which to play. The credential of your employer are immaterial for the consulate and for immigration matters, for visa applications are approved or not based on individual credentials. IMHO your best shot is to try and redeem yourself on your own recoognizance.

Good luck!

[Noah Lot 391]

Ty, the issue is that there are several angles to a same event. Whereas your reaction at the interview was visceral, for the interviewing officer it was a lie, and that really does not help much. You can try and present it any which way you want but there is little redemption in that. Perhaps if you are give the chance to explain yourself to those who matter and have a say so in this issue, you might consider telling them the actual reasonsn why you lied in your initial interview. These guys are trained to spot inconsistencies and lies, so if you are ever in a position to speak your mind and perhaps mend this situation, tell them the truth, hold nothing back and hope for the best.

In your current situation you have no other aces with which to play. The credential of your employer are immaterial for the consulate and for immigration matters, for visa applications are approved or not based on individual credentials. IMHO your best shot is to try and redeem yourself on your own recoognizance.

Good luck!

It would be sad indeed if this person received a visa....and who cares about his/her employer? What, money and influence are supposed to override our laws? Really? Perhaps in your country. As LIFEJOURNEY remarked, a lot of people have not been given the opportunity that the OP was given, who promptly demonstrated why that was a mistake.

[JohnR! 5,495]

1338817751[/url]' post='5416767']

It would be sad indeed if this person received a visa....and who cares about his/her employer? What, money and influence are supposed to override our laws? Really? Perhaps in your country. As LIFEJOURNEY remarked, a lot of people have not been given the opportunity that the OP was given, who promptly demonstrated why that was a mistake.

Right on the money. Here in America money and influence oftentimes override and trump our laws... But in his case I don't really think his employer's credentials will help. We can only hope he fares better in his next interview.

[TyBy 3]

Ty, the issue is that there are several angles to a same event. Whereas your reaction at the interview was visceral, for the interviewing officer it was a lie, and that really does not help much. You can try and present it any which way you want but there is little redemption in that. Perhaps if you are give the chance to explain yourself to those who matter and have a say so in this issue, you might consider telling them the actual reasonsn why you lied in your initial interview. These guys are trained to spot inconsistencies and lies, so if you are ever in a position to speak your mind and perhaps mend this situation, tell them the truth, hold nothing back and hope for the best.

In your current situation you have no other aces with which to play. The credential of your employer are immaterial for the consulate and for immigration matters, for visa applications are approved or not based on individual credentials. IMHO your best shot is to try and redeem yourself on your own recoognizance.

Good luck!

Hi,

That's exactly what i did today at the embassy. . . on top of my priorities was to ask for the US government forgiveness for the illegal work and for being dishonest the last interview, once i was given this chance, there was no happier than me.

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

TyBy, your argument as to why you lied would only be valid if you had been a child or a inexperienced traveler, but neither case applied to you. As far as your employer, employee are only valuable to an employer for a moment in time. Employees changes jobs all the time, but the employer(company) continues with the same service.

In this case the employer is not asking for a visa, it you the employee.

[TyBy 3]

at least i am one of few which has the guts to tell the truth about my case in VJ, i have seen in this forum individuals who literally FRAUD the us government(not on papers at least) with VJ members assistance (with same experience), and i'm talking about those who "Fall in love with an american, started the greencard process, got the greencard, and finaly divorced" . . . tell me thats valid....

Edited June 4, 2012 by TyBy

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

TyBy, I am glad the US government agrees that only the truth will set you free. A good life lesson, I think.

Congrats on the second interview.

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

at least i am one of few which has the guts to tell the truth about my case in VJ, i have seen in this forum individuals who literally FRAUD the us government(not on papers at least) with VJ members assitance (with same experience), and i'm talking about those who "Fall in love with an american, started the greencard process, got the greencard, and finaly divorced" . . . tell me thats valid....

TyBY, you would have to ask the USC who thought they had found love, if they felt their relationship was not valid. Love has many twist and turns, so those who are sitting on the outside looking in, can not be the judge of another mans love.

Your case is not based on love, it's based on given an opportunity with a visitor visa and you abused it.

[TyBy 3]

TyBy, I am glad the US government agrees that only the truth will set you free. A good life lesson, I think.

Congrats on the second interview.

the 2nd interview it's just my guess (after all i got my passport with me), indeed a good lesson.

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

The OP said that an employer told him to work and that the employer would take care of the paperwork. If you are new to a country and given a job opportunity from someone you trust, it is reasonable to take the job with the promise of paperwork (It was probably some kind of start-up). Once the OP realized the employer was full of it, and no paperwork was coming, he left for home. That is something most typical illegal workers would not do.

All the people harping on the OP need to back off.

[jaycali 415]

TyBY, you would have to ask the USC who thought they had found love, if they felt their relationship was not valid. Love has many twist and turns, so those who are sitting on the outside looking in, can not be the judge of another mans love.Your case is not based on love, it's based on given an opportunity with a visitor visa and you abused it.

The point of a visa denial is not to serve as some sort of punishment for breaking the law or potentially breaking the law. Unless a bar is present, a denial simply serves as a notice that you will not be allowed to enter a plane to the US because the CO does not sufficiently believe the applicant will abide by the visa requirements.

If a bar is not present, and the CO finds no reason to believe the applicant will overstay or otherwise not abide by visa requirements, there is no reason to deny the visa.

So, if a bar is not present, the question for the CO here isn't "Should we forgive him?", but rather "Has his circumstances changed such that we no longer have reason to believe he will break the rules of the visa?"

The reason why this may seem easier for some countries than others is because if a country has standards of living and GDP similar or higher than that of the US, there is very little reason to believe in the first place that the applicant would give that up in order to live illegally in the US, under far worse terms than he/she would in his/her own country. For example, it is harder to believe that a German would want to live illegally in the US than a Guatemalan. Thereby, much of the "immigrant intent" issue is out of the picture from the get go.

Edited June 4, 2012 by jaejayC

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

The OP said that an employer told him to work and that the employer would take care of the paperwork. If you are new to a country and given a job opportunity from someone you trust, it is reasonable to take the job with the promise of paperwork (It was probably some kind of start-up). Once the OP realized the employer was full of it, and no paperwork was coming, he left for home. That is something most typical illegal workers would not do.

All the people harping on the OP need to back off.

I will not just shut up because you want me to, I will continue to express my opinion as such. Who are YOU to tell anyone to back off. If this individual was a illegaly Mexican or anyone else from a developing country who was stating the same comments, you'll would be the first one to tell them they have no rights.

The point of a visa denial is not to serve as some sort of punishment for breaking the law or potentially breaking the law. Unless a bar is present, a denial simply serves as a notice that you will not be allowed to enter a plane to the US because the CO does not sufficiently believe the applicant will abide by the visa requirements.

If a bar is not present, and the CO finds no reason to believe the applicant will overstay or otherwise not abide by visa requirements, there is no reason to deny the visa.

So, if a bar is not present, the question for the CO here isn't "Should we forgive him?", but rather "Has his circumstances changed such that we no longer have reason to believe he will break the rules of the visa?"

He did get a bar, he was denied a 2nd visa.

Edited June 4, 2012 by LIFE'SJOURNEY

[Noah Lot 391]

The OP said that an employer told him to work and that the employer would take care of the paperwork. If you are new to a country and given a job opportunity from someone you trust, it is reasonable to take the job with the promise of paperwork (It was probably some kind of start-up). Once the OP realized the employer was full of it, and no paperwork was coming, he left for home. That is something most typical illegal workers would not do.

All the people harping on the OP need to back off.

really?? Why? Because some of us are patriotic and don't enjoy seeing foreigners abuse a privilege? Or are those from Isreal something special? I certainly do NOT think so.