Fox News Readers: Trayvon Martin A ‘Little Thug Ghetto Monkey.’

[mari&Ryan 93]

How is Sharpton or Jackson relevant to this case? Racist agenda? What the hell does that even mean?

Life has many twist and turns that we just can not predict, anything can happen in a blink of an eye. We just don't know. I honestly hope that no one close to you or yourself have to be judged, sentence and convicted in the media and public opinion before being able to go through a due process. None of us is immune to be in this guy shoes someday, any day. We are all humans and good people also make terrible and unfixable mistakes.

A note aside, I wonder where are they going to find 12 people to conform a jury to take this man to trial who are not already biased and contaminated with the media circus and public opinion. We should not be surprise if and acquittal or a mistrial happen as a result of all this mess.

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Sure, I'd like to know the truth. I was not one of those who immediately thought this was racially motivated. If you listen to what those people are saying though (ignoring the media whores out there), they have trouble with the notion that a person minding their own business can be classified as a criminal based on their appearance - whether it's the clothes they wear or the color of their skin. Would I be alarmed if I saw some teenager walking in the dark with a hoodie on? Probably. But I wouldn't go out and confront him without provocation beyond just appearances. If I saw him standing next to my neighbor's car and knowing that it's not his car, that's when I'd call the police and then let them handle it. For one, my neighbor most likely has a car alarm. Secondly, confronting the suspect could lead to all kinds of unpredictable outcomes and there would be no benefit for me to confront him at night, in the dark with no one else around. That would be stupidity. Zimmerman should have stayed in his house, locked his door and peered through the window like a good paranoid person who doesn't want trouble. Gun or no gun, it's stupid to engage a stranger at night unless somebody's life is in eminent danger.

That would be a reasonable and prudent course, and all of the CCW holders I know would agree with you wholeheartedly..... keep your gun out of a fight until all other options have run out. The best way of doing that is to avoid putting yourself (and your firearm, which must be taken into consideration even in a hand-to-hand scuffle) into an unnecessary and unpredicatable situation. But this man was actively monitoring his neighborhood in the wake of several crimes, and ended up in a confrontation with Martin. It is possible that he acted recklessly. I don't see clear evidence of that yet.....it is also possible that he acted fully within the limits of his rights and responsibilities. That too is unclear at this point.

A note aside, I wonder where are they going to find 12 people to conform a jury to take this man to trial who are not already biased and contaminated with the media circus and public opinion. We should not be surprise if and acquittal or a mistrial happen as a result of all this mess.

That's a good point......and Bobby Rush's political grandstanding int the Congress certainly hasn't helped matters.....more racial identity politics.

[slim 1,525]

Yes, lets focus on how people might be reacting to a case rather than the case itself because that's how we will get to the truth.

Slim, I sense you've got another stereotype brewin in the back of your mind about black people again. Why don't you come out and say it.

What stereotype? There are a million people on facebook, CONGRESSMEN, SENATORS and even our own PRESIDENT who are demanding "justice" in this case yet when HUNDREDS of our citizens are killed every weekend there's not a peep. As a matter of fact, there are many examples in music, movies, and popular culture itself where these same people actively discourage people from working with the police, investigators, prosecutors, etc., because they feel it's "snitching."

Yet, for some reason (and I really, really, REALLY doubt it's "justice") they want someone arrested and sent to trial for an alleged crime.

Ask yourself one question.... why?

Edited March 28, 2012 by slim

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

i'm more civilized. i like to get piss drunk on wine more often than beer now. 10 years ago, i never drank wine.

Careful, Why Me will call you metrosexual for that

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You have evidence of a causal link between no requirement to retreat legisaltion and increases homicide rates? You seem to imply that you do....

I don't. Haven't made a claim to that effect. Just stated the fact that since 'stand your ground' came into effect, violent crime continued on it's declining trend - a trend that had started seven years earlier and that was not impacted by 'stand your ground' while homicides increased. That's a simple, factual observation. Not sure how you derive from that that I've been implying there is some causal link.

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I don't. Haven't made a claim to that effect. Just stated the fact that since 'stand your ground' came into effect, violent crime continued on it's declining trend - a trend that had started seven years earlier and that was not impacted by 'stand your ground' while homicides increased. That's a simple, factual observation. Not sure how you derive from that that I've been implying there is some causal link.

Saying:

"Because since 'stand your ground' took effect, homicides have gone up while violent crime overall has gone down. Homicides were on a declining path along with other violent crimes up until 'stand your ground' became law. How are more homicides a good thing?"

Certainly implies that you feel there is a relationship between stang your ground and increased homicide.

[Leatherneck 693]

When does the deceased child get his day in court? Mr. Zimmerman hunted him down and shot him with a weapon he should not have been carrying as a member of a neighborhood watch. How is that self-defense?

Really?

[Leatherneck 693]

Wonder why those two Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are not marching, protesting, yelling about these crimes commited in last hours? Oh I know it doesn't fit in their racist agenda. Those two are just despicable.

16-year-old boy shot to death on South Side street

2 girls shot in their East Chicago home

3 men fatally shot on South Side

Violence in Chicago leaves 3 injured, one dead in shootings, stabbings

You're being very polite -- those two clowns are beyond despicable. Stronger adjectives come to mind where those two moonbats are concerned -- but "despicable" keeps us within the TOS.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Meet GZ. Paranoid people should not be allowed to carry guns. And this guy most certainly looks paranoid to me.

...

George Zimmerman, 28, moved into the Retreat in the summer of 2009 with his wife, Shellie. Records show he worked at a pressure-washing company, though neighbors said they never saw a truck.

Right away, he started calling the police. The 911 operators translated his complaints into the bloodless shorthand of law enforcement.

Aug. 26, 2009: "Male driving with no headlights on."

Sept. 22, 2009: "Yellow speed bike doing wheelies."

Oct. 23, 2009: "Aggressive white and brown pit bull."

The transcripts of Zimmerman's 911 calls during the more than two years he lived on Retreat View Circle fill 28 pages. His concerns include everything from the driver of a pickup cutting off people to a neighbor leaving his garage door open.

He kept a close watch for outsiders, but it couldn't have been easy to tell who belonged and who didn't. When the housing market crashed, many townhomes were foreclosed on and the owners evicted. Dozens of investors, unable to unload the two- and three-bedroom properties, rented them to cover their upside-down mortgages.

The developers had envisioned a stable neighborhood with home­owners planting long-term roots, but now townhouses were turning over all the time. Insiders moved out. Outsiders moved in.

By the time Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin, 40 properties inside the gate were empty and more than half of the residents were renters.

Including Brandy Green, who was dating Martin's dad. And Zimmerman himself.

Trayvon Martin lived with his dad, who resides in the Miami area, and had visited his dad's girlfriend at the Retreat several times before. The kids in the neighborhood always looked forward to playing football with him. But to George Zimmerman, he was a stranger.

• • •

Last summer, residents reported three burglaries at the Retreat, said Sanford police volunteer coordinator Wendy Dorival. At the time, workers were repairing cracks in some of the buildings. Some residents worried they were leaving their ladders up — and teenagers in the Retreat were using them to break into upstairs windows. Others feared outsiders were sneaking in.

Gated communities aren't really any safer than other neighborhoods, said David Morgenstern, spokesman for the Sanford Police Department. "Crime is comparable no matter where you go. All that gate does is make the people who live in that community feel better.

"If a criminal wants to get in, they can."

It's not hard. Drivers draft behind residents with remote control passes, following them before the gates swing closed. Old renters retain the pass code and share it. Landscapers, pizza delivery people and repairmen all have access.

After the break-ins, Zimmerman's calls to 911 seemed to shift, zeroing in on black males. Were black males actually responsible for any of the crimes reported in the Retreat? Impossible to say. Morgenstern, the police spokesman, said last week that he was too overwhelmed with media requests to get the arrest records on individual cases.

In police argot, anyone Zimmerman called about was a "suspicious person," but of course it was Zimmerman who was suspicious.

Aug. 3, 2011: "Black male with white tank top and black shorts … (Zimmerman) believes subject is involved in recent (burglaries) in the neighborhood."

Aug. 6, 2011: "Two black males, one wearing black tank top … are near the back gate of the neighborhood."

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[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Certainly implies that you feel there is a relationship between stang your ground and increased homicide.

it's quite a distance between how I feel about this ####### piece of law and the causal relationship that you suggest is to be read into my standment.

[Leatherneck 693]

it's quite a distance between how I feel about this ####### piece of law and the causal relationship that you suggest is to be read into my standment.

Do you wish to have the state revert back to a standard of one having to retreat, rather than stand your ground and defend yourself?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Do you wish to have the state revert back to a standard of one having to retreat, rather than stand your ground and defend yourself?

Discretion is always the better part of valor. Intelligent people know that. Stubborn, less intelligent people stand their ground over trivial matters.

[sandinista! 1,816]

it's quite a distance between how I feel about this ####### piece of law and the causal relationship that you suggest is to be read into my standment.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2012/03/stand-your-ground-and-vigilante-justice/254900/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/28/miami-judge-rules-in-stan_n_1385219.html

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/24/2710297/stand-your-ground-law-had-a-sad.html

[SMOKE 1,426]

Careful, Why Me will call you metrosexual for that

i'd spam his FB wall w/ a pic of myself wearing a man thong w/ a happy face shaved in my back under a banner reading 'i miss you Kippy'.

Edited March 28, 2012 by SMOKE

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Do you wish to have the state revert back to a standard of one having to retreat, rather than stand your ground and defend yourself?

It stands to reason that we're no better off with stand your ground than we were without it. I believe that the gold standard for civilized people is to avoid confrontation that could result in injury or death not seek it. Stand your ground goes against that gold standard.