Fox News Readers: Trayvon Martin A ‘Little Thug Ghetto Monkey.’

[slim 1,533]

We had fewer homicides in FL before 'stand your gorund' became law in 2005. There are more people murdered every year now - not fewer - and there are more perps walking the streets. The population of this state is less safe than it was before but that shouldn't come as a surprise since public safety is certainly not what this ####### legislation was ever about.

Not really. The Wild West was not known to be particularly polite. They'd have called it the Polite West but didn't. And we do know why.

Who cares?

Yet violent crime is down. Hmmm. That doesn't make any sense. How can crime be down but homicides up? Perhaps they're shooting the right people!

The "wild" west had far fewer homicides than what we have today. Why? Because people could defend themselves without fear of being prosecuted for it and people were also responsible for themselves. If you didn't work, nobody paid for you to eat and have more kids. Today, we simply pay for criminals to reproduce. That's pretty stupid. At least now, with laws like stand your ground, we can balance the scales albeit ever so slightly.

When it's unsafe to be a criminal, crime goes down.

[Ban Hammer 13,551]

And I am quite certain that a good number of 'thugs and criminals' also manage to get CCW permits!

got a link for that? it's up to the state to run the name through their database.

[slim 1,533]

got a link for that? it's up to the state to run the name through their database.

I have a criminal record (Non-violent, non-drug-related M-1 and MM. Not really a thug though. Not sure if I'd be considered a "criminal" either. Where's Rob when we need him?) and I have a CHL.

But, according to the law, I'm authorized to have one. I passed the background check and everything. So, not sure where you're going with this but one thing you may want to consider is a CCW doesn't give someone the right to use force. Also, if someone's in their own neighborhood or on their own property they could just as easily open carry a weapon. (Which still doesn't authorize them to use force.) And lastly.... criminals don't need a license to carry. They simply carry in defiance of the law.

[james&olya 1,121]

got a link for that? it's up to the state to run the name through their database.

You seriously believe that everyone who has or soon will commit a crime has the criminal record available to be grounds for denial of CCW permits?!! Talk about being hopelessly naive!

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Yet violent crime is down. Hmmm. That doesn't make any sense. How can crime be down but homicides up? Perhaps they're shooting the right people!

Or, maybe, we are just getting more civilized with time.

"We've had a dramatic drop in violent crime since this law has been in effect." There has been a drop, but rates were declining before the law went into effect. And we found no proof that the "stand your ground" law caused the drop. We rate this claim Half True.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/politifact-florida-drop-in-violent-crime-appears-unrelated-to-stand-your/1222066

Edited March 27, 2012 by ☼

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Or, maybe, we are just getting more civilized with time.

Please do not inject facts in P&R. Spoils the fun.

[Dan and Judy 614]

I agree with you here Luckytxn. However, if and when you get in somebodies face or challenge them about their conduct, unless you're law enforcement -- you better be prepared to take an azz whopping or give the other person an azz whopping. Mano y mano!

Mano a mano.

Don't bring your mano to a luche de pistolas

[Ban Hammer 13,551]

You seriously believe that everyone who has or soon will commit a crime has the criminal record available to be grounds for denial of CCW permits?!! Talk about being hopelessly naive!

i think what you're overlooking is "a crime" isn't the same as a felony that would result in an individual losing their 2nd amendment rights.

speeding is a crime - but it does not affect one's ability to get a cch. so when speaking about "a crime" it might be better to specify what level of crime is being referenced.

[slim 1,533]

Or, maybe, we are just getting more civilized with time.

As opposed to, say, 1991 when crime was skyrocketing out of control?

You probably believe in global warming as well, eh?

[james&olya 1,121]

i think what you're overlooking is "a crime" isn't the same as a felony that would result in an individual losing their 2nd amendment rights.

speeding is a crime - but it does not affect one's ability to get a cch. so when speaking about "a crime" it might be better to specify what level of crime is being referenced.

You are soooo smart! I am in awe! Of course you are technically correct! Only problem is that the rules vary state to state so to be completely correct would require a post many pages long and totally boring for 99.99% of readers here. So I just used the term crime. BFD!!

[slim 1,533]

You are soooo smart! I am in awe! Of course you are technically correct! Only problem is that the rules vary state to state so to be completely correct would require a post many pages long and totally boring for 99.99% of readers here. So I just used the term crime. BFD!!

Most states are pretty typical and follow federal guidelines. No felonies of violence (including misdemeanor domestic violence), no drugs. That's about it as far as crime goes. Keep in mind criminals usually just ignore laws. That's why they're criminals.

[Ban Hammer 13,551]

You are soooo smart! I am in awe! Of course you are technically correct! Only problem is that the rules vary state to state so to be completely correct would require a post many pages long and totally boring for 99.99% of readers here. So I just used the term crime. BFD!!

so basically, would you agree that a felony is how one would lose their 2nd amendment rights, not via a misdemeanor? and that it would be up to the state issuing to check applicants for felony convictions?

here's the info kansas tracks on their cch issue

http://ag.ks.gov/docs/documents/concealed-carry-statistics.pdf?sfvrsn=32

eta: slim is correct on the domestic violence, i couldn't remember if that was a felony or misdemeanor

Edited March 27, 2012 by charles!

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Please do not inject facts in P&R. Spoils the fun.

We aren't more civilized. You'd be foolish to think so. We just don't interact with other people as much as we used to.

Less people interaction = less chance of something bad happening.

TV, Internet, Video Games, Cell Phones, etc....

Human beings are still the same animals they have always been...

[james&olya 1,121]

so basically, would you agree that a felony is how one would lose their 2nd amendment rights, not via a misdemeanor? and that it would be up to the state issuing to check applicants for felony convictions?

here's the info kansas tracks on their cch issue

http://ag.ks.gov/docs/documents/concealed-carry-statistics.pdf?sfvrsn=32

eta: slim is correct on the domestic violence, i couldn't remember if that was a felony or misdemeanor

My principal point is that just because someone does not have a 'criminal' record, however you choose to split hairs over its definition, does not mean they are not 'thugs and criminals', only that they have not yet been caught and convicted!

Having a CCW permit does NOT prove you are an upstanding and responsible person!

[Ban Hammer 13,551]

My principal point is that just because someone does not have a 'criminal' record, however you choose to split hairs over its definition, does not mean they are not 'thugs and criminals', only that they have not yet been caught and convicted!

point taken. however, what ever happened to innocent until proven guilty by a jury of their peers?

Having a CCW permit does NOT prove you are an upstanding and responsible person!

no one claimed that. i will claim, however, that said permit holder has had a background check by the state.