Fiance' was cheating while PREGNANT

[Brian1967## 119]

Very Sad Guy.... your ex has been here for two years, what proof did you submit, there is no requirement for her to be a "great person when moving here" She sent some pictures right, well to tell truth under INS standards adultery can be a reason to deny a LPR you want to really stop things I will give you a few ways, people have told you, get her on child support make her pay you, do not terminate her parental rights, under USCIS guidelines for "GMC" i.e. good moral character, she must support her dependent children, it's the rules, they can deny a green card that way, adultery is another if it destroyed the legitimate ends of the marriage (this is not enough to deny the green card) but not paying child support this is different, I do not know what state you live in BUT in Texas if you do not pay child support you go to prison, it is that simple, you can even have a job, the state does not care, your unemployed...go get a job and pay for your child (it is that simple here, judges here really do not have much sympathy for dead beat parents, the point is she falls far enough behind, she will get arrested and you can build a case that way) Your proofs, do they involve a child or just when she was pregnant, I hate to say but people pay for pics like this on the internet everyday to see naked women that are pregnant, it's sick IMHO but it goes on. Good moral character is something that violates the standards of the community in general. So there is a sliding scale they may use, adultery not so bad, people send naked pictures to other people all the time on the internet. As far as fraud which I think you are a victum of, I am sorry for this because I was to you gave all proof to FDNS officer is what he is called. Then you are at the endgame, it is very rare for these officers to enforce the rules that is not their job, they discover and report and testify in court if needed, the chances your ex will get to stay are more than likely, the same as my ex's ....pretty good.,

ISO's (that is the adjudicator at the USCIS field office is under a terrible amount of pressure to perform, they get 30 min per case to approve or deny a case, that is it the quote I have found or report of a quote is 12 per day, okay 12x 30 = 7.5 hours right then 30 min for lunch, do you think this is enough time to investigate for fraud? There are reports that the ISO's arrive in some office up to an hour early in order to review the first couple of cases for the day and then the rest are just done off the cuff so to speak, there is pressure to approve the application also, from above sometimes, the current political administration is interested in letting people stay for the most part, because they need more people to vote in the future I think. there was a scathing report issued buy the Office of Inspector general about USCIS and the job they do, they are underfunded and understaffed which means a lot of mistakes happen ( OIG report was release to the public in Jan of 2012), this report attacked the policies and procedures and fraud detection by USCIS. USCIS management put a lot of pressure on ISO's to perform and turn thru applications, this explained to me why my 1st interview took 10 min and the ISO did not ask one question of us AT ALL. the foreigner is not really protected, but when you have a system in place that is broken what you are going thru and what I refuse to go thru is this waiting for the government to do something even with reform working it's way thru the Congress there has never been a mention to change they way applications are adjudicated, so no reform in the K-1 and K-3 area, it is that simple. Two years seems like a long time even for a VAWA application to be pending but you never know there is a lot required to file VAWA and the claims are not a walk in the park that is for sure.

Very sad guy, I am sorry you see you ex running around town with a new man, But I will say thins, you may not want to here it, but I will be blunt, your ex used you, what do you think will happen to the new boyfriend? Same thing she did to you, look bro she found the first guy or man that showed her any sympathy and hooked up, and no she will bleed him dry, do the same she did to you and move on to the next mark in life, my ex I am sure she faced the real prospect of having to move back to Ukraine and then enter 53 year old man that felt sorry for the poor ol abused immigrant spouse, and bingo, she had him, oh, now I do not have to move home I can shack up with this guy he will pay all the bills do whatever I say and is old and has pension and I get MONEY. She used you bro, you have done everything you legally can do, take her to court for child support if she does not show up well then, you win and she has to start paying you, eventually she will have to adjudicate her VAWA application at which time the attorney general in your state will flag the file for non payment, is she pays great, put the money in the child fund you talked about.

The evidence you showed may not have been enough for USCIS to care bro, I hate to say it, sometimes things fall thru the cracks, just like my case could, it is the harsh reality of USCIS and the VAWA unit. As far as the VAWA unit goes I believe this, there is a reason all applications take so long (see this report "Immigrations Provisions of the Violence Against Women Act" google it, it comes in PDF format). You will see hard numbers on the amount of applications approved and denied and the amount of RFE's requested. Somebody in Vermont is keeping their staff on their toes, applications drag because they are trying to be a as careful as they can so fraud does not get thru the system, I encourage you and humbly ask you, be patient and wait, you have a beautiful child and you seem to be a good man but the system has to have time to work VAWA is not easy at all to get and they find the fraud sometimes, for the women that are truly battered I feel sorry for because you are the victim the second time around, your ex and my ex are not victims but they are what is called in my church a wolf in sheep's clothing.

You want to get mad that is okay trust me I understand, have you thought of a tort claims suit for damages? You may win. it is allowed in my home state, Use the system to get her out as best you can. for your trobles I am very sorry

Edited May 24, 2013 by Brian1967##

[verysadguy 170]

Very well stated Brian. Yes, I am going after child support now. Soon I may go after other fraud damages. As for VAWA my family we wait for simple American justice. God and Karma to take care of the rest. I'll be back in 2 weeks with an update! Stay tuned everyone!

Very Sad Guy.... your ex has been here for two years, what proof did you submit, there is no requirement for her to be a "great person when moving here" She sent some pictures right, well to tell truth under INS standards adultery can be a reason to deny a LPR you want to really stop things I will give you a few ways, people have told you, get her on child support make her pay you, do not terminate her parental rights, under USCIS guidelines for "GMC" i.e. good moral character, she must support her dependent children, it's the rules, they can deny a green card that way, adultery is another if it destroyed the legitimate ends of the marriage (this is not enough to deny the green card) but not paying child support this is different, I do not know what state you live in BUT in Texas if you do not pay child support you go to prison, it is that simple, you can even have a job, the state does not care, your unemployed...go get a job and pay for your child (it is that simple here, judges here really do not have much sympathy for dead beat parents, the point is she falls far enough behind, she will get arrested and you can build a case that way) Your proofs, do they involve a child or just when she was pregnant, I hate to say but people pay for pics like this on the internet everyday to see naked women that are pregnant, it's sick IMHO but it goes on. Good moral character is something that violates the standards of the community in general. So there is a sliding scale they may use, adultery not so bad, people send naked pictures to other people all the time on the internet. As far as fraud which I think you are a victum of, I am sorry for this because I was to you gave all proof to FDNS officer is what he is called. Then you are at the endgame, it is very rare for these officers to enforce the rules that is not their job, they discover and report and testify in court if needed, the chances your ex will get to stay are more than likely, the same as my ex's ....pretty good.,

ISO's (that is the adjudicator at the USCIS field office is under a terrible amount of pressure to perform, they get 30 min per case to approve or deny a case, that is it the quote I have found or report of a quote is 12 per day, okay 12x 30 = 7.5 hours right then 30 min for lunch, do you think this is enough time to investigate for fraud? There are reports that the ISO's arrive in some office up to an hour early in order to review the first couple of cases for the day and then the rest are just done off the cuff so to speak, there is pressure to approve the application also, from above sometimes, the current political administration is interested in letting people stay for the most part, because they need more people to vote in the future I think. there was a scathing report issued buy the Office of Inspector general about USCIS and the job they do, they are underfunded and understaffed which means a lot of mistakes happen ( OIG report was release to the public in Jan of 2012), this report attacked the policies and procedures and fraud detection by USCIS. USCIS management put a lot of pressure on ISO's to perform and turn thru applications, this explained to me why my 1st interview took 10 min and the ISO did not ask one question of us AT ALL. the foreigner is not really protected, but when you have a system in place that is broken what you are going thru and what I refuse to go thru is this waiting for the government to do something even with reform working it's way thru the Congress there has never been a mention to change they way applications are adjudicated, so no reform in the K-1 and K-3 area, it is that simple. Two years seems like a long time even for a VAWA application to be pending but you never know there is a lot required to file VAWA and the claims are not a walk in the park that is for sure.

Very sad guy, I am sorry you see you ex running around town with a new man, But I will say thins, you may not want to here it, but I will be blunt, your ex used you, what do you think will happen to the new boyfriend? Same thing she did to you, look bro she found the first guy or man that showed her any sympathy and hooked up, and no she will bleed him dry, do the same she did to you and move on to the next mark in life, my ex I am sure she faced the real prospect of having to move back to Ukraine and then enter 53 year old man that felt sorry for the poor ol abused immigrant spouse, and bingo, she had him, oh, now I do not have to move home I can shack up with this guy he will pay all the bills do whatever I say and is old and has pension and I get MONEY. She used you bro, you have done everything you legally can do, take her to court for child support if she does not show up well then, you win and she has to start paying you, eventually she will have to adjudicate her VAWA application at which time the attorney general in your state will flag the file for non payment, is she pays great, put the money in the child fund you talked about.

The evidence you showed may not have been enough for USCIS to care bro, I hate to say it, sometimes things fall thru the cracks, just like my case could, it is the harsh reality of USCIS and the VAWA unit. As far as the VAWA unit goes I believe this, there is a reason all applications take so long (see this report "Immigrations Provisions of the Violence Against Women Act" google it, it comes in PDF format). You will see hard numbers on the amount of applications approved and denied and the amount of RFE's requested. Somebody in Vermont is keeping their staff on their toes, applications drag because they are trying to be a as careful as they can so fraud does not get thru the system, I encourage you and humbly ask you, be patient and wait, you have a beautiful child and you seem to be a good man but the system has to have time to work VAWA is not easy at all to get and they find the fraud sometimes, for the women that are truly battered I feel sorry for because you are the victim the second time around, your ex and my ex are not victims but they are what is called in my church a wolf in sheep's clothing.

You want to get mad that is okay trust me I understand, have you thought of a tort claims suit for damages? You may win. it is allowed in my home state, Use the system to get her out as best you can. for your trobles I am very sorry

[Brian1967## 119]

Very sad gut I wanted to tell you a few other thing but I ran out of time when writing you, I wanted to say if you had a meeting with the investigator he should have taken all of your evidence and then moved on, he will put it in your ex's file, and it goes to where it is supposed to go. They guy I met with was very polite, but I want to ask you, did you have any proof from a outside source like a person that was friends with both you and your ex? Anything, anybody, anyway besides emails? I hope so because if you do not under the "The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigration Responsibility Act of 1996" This act "prohibits denial of a VAWA petition based "solely" on evidence furnished by the abusive spouse" or other household family member, this is backed up by a 1997 memo by the then INS that such adverse information must be independently corroborated, there may be conversations between ISO's and their supervisors, but little attention is paid to marriage fraud by the VSC (where your ex's petition is)

Now, take the term "solely" , they view this as a loophole allowing some VSC's adjudicators to consider evidence provided by the alleged abusers, as credible despite the widely held view that this provided evidence is considered unreliable. Moreover the also alleged the some ISO'S and ICE agents may be skeptical or indifferent to some VAWA claims that they may " attempt to inset the abusers voice into the process on their own. I read this as they think the immigrant spouse or ex spouse is lying and they try to make the situation right. But still the application will be approved, this is talked about a lot on the forum but it is true without may sources of outside proof of fraud or a good showing of fraud your screeming in the wind bro, your just seen as a pissed of American that wants to screw his ex over, sorry to say it but they will view it this way, and the thing is your not what they say your are, your just a joe on the street so to speak.

In order for your ex to submit a application the amendments to the VAWA act in 2000 and 2005 allows "any credible evidence" to establish abuse. ANY foreign spouse committing to being a fraud through VAWA . Need only report the abuse OF ANY KIND to the police . IF a police report is generated , it meets the standard required by VAWA , and the sad part is the USC spouse may never know this has happened ever. Responsibility for prosecuting fraud goes to ICE which lets face it they do not punish many immigrants for this, that is the facts.

What is needed for a VAWA Application or to self petition for VAWA

1) you must file two petitions, one classifies the foreign national as a battered or abused spouse or child of a USC or LPR

2)SUBSTANTIAL evidence of physical or emotional abuse

3) a bona fide good faith marriage

4)good moral character (which all needed for this is a records check from the local police department)

Approved VAWA petitions provide only deferred status, not LPR status (which is where I think you ex sits right now deferred status)

now the second petition requires something different, the relationship between the foreign national and the LPR or the USC, there are many things to look at in this stage and ALL grounds for inadmissibility are looked at such as denied petitions, the final status in not finished unless there is a face to face interview at some point between the USCIS ISO and the USC or LPR, and the foreign spouse , regardless of the circumstances. So the way the rules are written you should get a interview at USCIS at some point in time, now weather that will happen or if I have ever heard of this happening I do not I will have to check with sandraj and capri or Darnell to see if they have EVER heard of USCIS doing this in the past five or ten years, so bro you should get a voice but with the government created by the people for the people to serve the people, the will more than likely serve your ex a green card on a silver platter, that is unless you can prove, she lied to obtain a benefit (you must have a outside source to prove that) or direct fraud, like the silver bullet of a email, your screaming in the wind, now I would d contact my senators office and force or try to force the local USCIS office to grant you a interview before they approve her card but like I said, it is tough, I know I will stick with it, I will find a case precedent if I can that will force USCIS to hear my voice, even if I have to read every case law the deals with immigration. To give you a hint in the year 2010 there were 168,000 deprted from the United States of the numbers 2.3% had something to do with fraud.

[verysadguy 170]

I sent in her own pictures sleeping with another man while pregnant. Her evidence.

I sent in her own pictures of her performing pornography for her far away lover while pregnant and married for 4 whole days. Her evidence. (Good moral character???)

I sent in her own chat with her best friend lying about her relationship with another man. Her evidence.

I sent in her own chat with her best friend saying she would get her green card and flee to California with our daughter and get 18 years of child support. Her evidence.

I sent in a copy of her uncle's "affidavit" and his emails to me completely contradicting himself. Nice fraud there from a USC retired from the USN.

There are NO police reports.

Good faith marriage? No comingled finances, no name change, no leases. Only thing I did was get her health insurance so my daughter would be born safe and healthy.

Then there is the lying to federal authorities about her circumstances that led to me being investigated for human trafficking.

Yes, I contacted senators, congressmen, governor's, USCIS district directors, ICE, special agents, congressional liaisons of DHS, HSI, ICE Deputy Director, FBI, you name it...

My ex scammed me. I never hit her and never called her a name. I discovered she'd been lying to me for 2 years on the 8th day of marriage all just to get a green card. Copies of her chats to her far away lover proving it were also sent to USCIS.

That is it. We discussed it, I protected myself financially and legally, she said she would stop her craziness and she didn't. So I told her to leave and proceeded with divorce actions and protection for my child. The woman AGREED to return to her home country but skipped out of the airport with the cash and a $7000 diamond. Yes, I will be suing her for that swindle, too.

Meanwhile she got an attorney to sue me against the prenuptial agreement, an EAD, a job in an ethnic restaurant, and a license to practice as a nail technician. Plus she is screwing her sponsor from the Catholic Church with whom she began the relationship while still legally married. Nice girl huh?

This is a woman who deserves deportation without a doubt.

If she gets a green card, this country's immigration system is truly immoral itself.

I should change my VJ screenname to "Waitingforthebitchslapofkarma"

[Brian1967## 119]

I think I will use that name LOL!¡!!!! Go get her bro! We fall in the 2.3% I think

[verysadguy 170]

Ok, so my ex scammed me and the USA and got her I-360 approved. A f*&$%#g joke right? An absolute perversion of justice based on the facts and benefits the alien and not the US citizen. Disgusting adjudication by USCIS. The VAWA unit is pathetic. Highly trained college educated US citizens my A$$.

Meanwhile, the judge pulled all her access to money from me and will force her to pay child support. So, she has to come up with a sheister attorney or money to fight back now. Let's see if this "mother" really comes to see her baby now that she has her I-360 approved and has to pay her own way for visitation.

[Merrytooth 5,748]

Wow.. sorry to hear that..

Hope you are keeping your daughter safe from her (at least supervised visitation), since she is going to hang around in US.

[verysadguy 170]

Wow.. sorry to hear that..

Hope you are keeping your daughter safe from her (at least supervised visitation), since she is going to hang around in US.

yes!!!!! Supervised visits! if she even shows...

[Merrytooth 5,748]

Stay strong for your little girl.

I am sure she would understand and appreciate what her Daddy has done for her when she gets older

[verysadguy 170]

Stay strong for your little girl.

I am sure she would understand and appreciate what her Daddy has done for her when she gets older

Good God let's hope so. My ex is a CON artist, but everyone who meets her says how sweet and nice she is!!! Hello!!! That is why she is such a good con artist! She fooled me, and I am in behavioral health!!!

[verysadguy 170]

A. I did not stalk anyone. My wife could not be found to serve legal papers too. She was also very likely working illegally. I hired a private investigator at great cost and not only found her but discovered she was committing adultery with the man who worked at her Catholic sponsor.

B. My ex-wife had a lover before, during, and after our courtship and engagement. She lied. She took her marriage vows fraudulently. She was found to be planning to take my baby and make me pay 18 years of child support after she got her green card. She is a fraud (not was...IS).

C. My ex-wife bit me and scratched me. I never ever hurt her or called her a name. I simply caught her cheating and reported it.

D. How do I know her status? She and her attorney provided evidence at trial. And she faxed her paperwork from USCIS to the judge.

With God as my witness I sit here at my computer writing the absolute truth and before anyone who wants to hurl some more BS at me. one side, 2 sides, or 3.

[TBoneTX 45,288]

Keep the faith, si man.

[Caryh 5,206]

A. I did not stalk anyone. My wife could not be found to serve legal papers too. She was also very likely working illegally. I hired a private investigator at great cost and not only found her but discovered she was committing adultery with the man who worked at her Catholic sponsor.

B. My ex-wife had a lover before, during, and after our courtship and engagement. She lied. She took her marriage vows fraudulently. She was found to be planning to take my baby and make me pay 18 years of child support after she got her green card. She is a fraud (not was...IS).

C. My ex-wife bit me and scratched me. I never ever hurt her or called her a name. I simply caught her cheating and reported it.

D. How do I know her status? She and her attorney provided evidence at trial. And she faxed her paperwork from USCIS to the judge.

With God as my witness I sit here at my computer writing the absolute truth and before anyone who wants to hurl some more BS at me. one side, 2 sides, or 3.

Its a shame some can scam the system and get away with it. Anyone who has been through the immigration system knows how bad it is. You really need to just forget about her immigration status. You're getting what's really important, your child. You've won, even if you would have rather seen her sorry butt booted out of the country, but you've still won as you have your child. You may have lost a battle, her getting to stay in the country, but you've won the over all war, you have full legal and physical custody of your child. Your ex will only be able to see her with supervised visitation. And given her history, that probably means it will never happen.

[verysadguy 170]

Its a shame some can scam the system and get away with it. Anyone who has been through the immigration system knows how bad it is. You really need to just forget about her immigration status. You're getting what's really important, your child. You've won, even if you would have rather seen her sorry butt booted out of the country, but you've still won as you have your child. You may have lost a battle, her getting to stay in the country, but you've won the over all war, you have full legal and physical custody of your child. Your ex will only be able to see her with supervised visitation. And given her history, that probably means it will never happen.

You are so right I think. ICE has the lowest morale of any government agency. USCIS can't be far behind.

Yes, I have my child, but always the threat of her fighting back. My ex is a sociopath. She was, is, and always will be a liar. And she will probably fight back at some point.

For now, the little girl and I blow bubbles, play with the ponies and animals, go to the park, have fun at Chuck E. Cheese, go to temple, laugh, shop, visit friends, read books, do puzzles, you name it...WE ARE LIVING IT UP!

[Caryh 5,206]

You are so right I think. ICE has the lowest morale of any government agency. USCIS can't be far behind.

Yes, I have my child, but always the threat of her fighting back. My ex is a sociopath. She was, is, and always will be a liar. And she will probably fight back at some point.

For now, the little girl and I blow bubbles, play with the ponies and animals, go to the park, have fun at Chuck E. Cheese, go to temple, laugh, shop, visit friends, read books, do puzzles, you name it...WE ARE LIVING IT UP!

Don't buy tomorrow's troubles by paying for it today with worry. Keep living it up, tomorrow will sort itself out.