Fiance' was cheating while PREGNANT

[verysadguy 170]

sociopath.

Sociopath Test

The following questionnaire is based on research and experiences of socialised sociopaths.  For each trait, decide if it applies to the person you suspect may be a socialised sociopath, fully (2 points), partially (1 point) or not at all (0 points).

1) Do they have problems sustaining stable relationships, personally and in business? Yes, not even in contact with most of family. 2

2) Do they frequently manipulate others to achieve selfish goals, with no consideration of the effects on those manipulated? Definitely 2

3) Are they cavalier about the truth, and capable of telling lies to your face? Yes, repeatedly 2

4) Do they have an air of self-importance, regardless of their true standing in society? Yes, gloats over her successes at manipulation 2

5) Have they no apparent sense of remorse, shame or guilt? No guilt 2

6) Is their charm superficial, and capable of being switched on to suit immediate ends? Extremely charming to attain goals 2

7) Are they easily bored and demand constant stimulation? Yes, always needs attention 2

8) Are their displays of human emotion unconvincing? Can cry uncontrollably to gain attention 2

9) Do they enjoy taking risks, and acting on reckless impulse? Yes, duly noted 1

10) Are they quick to blame others for their mistakes? Yes. 1

11) As teenagers, did they resent authority, play truant and/or steal? Resents authority 1

12) Do they have no qualms about sponging off others? Proven sponger 2

13) Are they quick to lose their temper? Yes, can get very temperamental 2

14) Are they sexually promiscuous? In to crazy sex and internet webcam sex 1

15) Do they have a belligerent, bullying manner? Belligerent and domineering 1

16) Are they unrealistic about their long-term aims? Yes, makes promises she cannot keep and breaks them. 2

17) Do they lack any ability to empathise with others? Feigned empathy 2

18) Would you regard them as essentially irresponsible? Mostly. 1

Score: 30

A score of 25 or above suggests strong psychopathic tendencies.  This does not mean the person is a potential mass-murderer: socialised psychopaths are not mad, nor do they have to resort to violence.  Even so, a close professional or emotional relationship with a socialised psychopath is likely to prove a damaging experience.

[Anh map 2,098]

Let it go. Why let this person have so much control of your life?

[verysadguy 170]

Let it go. Why let this person have so much control of your life?

That is good advice Anh Map, but she is suing me if you can believe that over custody that I won and believe it or not claiming I was the fraudulent one thus contesting the pre-nuptial agreement. So, she wants money, no surprise there, but if she gets her green card through false pretenses from her fraudulent VAWA claim she'll come after the baby and child support. I would love to move on, but I have my child to protect. I cannot just let go and move on. The woman is a sociopath and must be stopped, so I am trying to get as much advice as I can and using every legal angle possible.

Please keep giving me good advice regarding my legal situation and how to get to ICE supervisors and how to send evidence to the VSC VAWA unit, etc. I will deal with the emotional side of things myself with good friends and family.

[Darnell 8,479]

I'm concerned that if I go to USCIS with an InfoPass appointment, and I know ICE is in the same building they will still say no if I request to speak with the Group Supervisor of the Fraud Unit. Anyone have any experience with this. I mean for real they actually did this?

I don't understand the inertia. Why to stall ?

[verysadguy 170]

I don't understand the inertia. Why to stall ?

Thanks Darnell, I value your advice. What do you mean stall? Stall what? Please clarify and expand on your thought process.

[Darnell 8,479]

1. you've not talked face to face with an ICE Shift Supervisor.

2. you've no infopass appointment to get into the building.

IMO, that's a stall.

IMO, inertia is preventing you from actually doing this.

<EOM>

[verysadguy 170]

1. you've not talked face to face with an ICE Shift Supervisor.

2. you've no infopass appointment to get into the building.

IMO, that's a stall.

IMO, inertia is preventing you from actually doing this.

<EOM>

Ah ha, gotcha. I've sent in several Fedex's and spoken rarely to an investigator. They are very ho hum attitude. I will make an Inofpass for September and keep everyone in the loop. Thanks.

[rade2rising 205]

Sociopath Test

The following questionnaire is based on research and experiences of socialised sociopaths.  For each trait, decide if it applies to the person you suspect may be a socialised sociopath, fully (2 points), partially (1 point) or not at all (0 points).

1) Do they have problems sustaining stable relationships, personally and in business? Yes, not even in contact with most of family. 2

2) Do they frequently manipulate others to achieve selfish goals, with no consideration of the effects on those manipulated? Definitely 2

3) Are they cavalier about the truth, and capable of telling lies to your face? Yes, repeatedly 2

4) Do they have an air of self-importance, regardless of their true standing in society? Yes, gloats over her successes at manipulation 2

5) Have they no apparent sense of remorse, shame or guilt? No guilt 2

6) Is their charm superficial, and capable of being switched on to suit immediate ends? Extremely charming to attain goals 2

7) Are they easily bored and demand constant stimulation? Yes, always needs attention 2

8) Are their displays of human emotion unconvincing? Can cry uncontrollably to gain attention 2

9) Do they enjoy taking risks, and acting on reckless impulse? Yes, duly noted 1

10) Are they quick to blame others for their mistakes? Yes. 1

11) As teenagers, did they resent authority, play truant and/or steal? Resents authority 1

12) Do they have no qualms about sponging off others? Proven sponger 2

13) Are they quick to lose their temper? Yes, can get very temperamental 2

14) Are they sexually promiscuous? In to crazy sex and internet webcam sex 1

15) Do they have a belligerent, bullying manner? Belligerent and domineering 1

16) Are they unrealistic about their long-term aims? Yes, makes promises she cannot keep and breaks them. 2

17) Do they lack any ability to empathise with others? Feigned empathy 2

18) Would you regard them as essentially irresponsible? Mostly. 1

Score: 30

A score of 25 or above suggests strong psychopathic tendencies.  This does not mean the person is a potential mass-murderer: socialised psychopaths are not mad, nor do they have to resort to violence.  Even so, a close professional or emotional relationship with a socialised psychopath is likely to prove a damaging experience.

wow it tells the truth

[clueless55 18]

I was in a similar mess a few years ago, minus the baby.

Be patient. Cover your butt. I think you have been. Make sure you keep putting copies of all evidence in her file, with her A# on each page. You can mail them to the local USCIS office, or handcarry them with an Infopass Appointment.

The people at my local USCIS field office weren't real helpful, but they did give me the direct number to the local ICE investigator, who attempted to do something, but the DA didn't want to prosecute the fraud case.

In my situation, my ex was older, not willing to work, and ran out of money and friends to mooch from about 5 months after her conditional green card expired, and about 12 months of surviving in the US on her own. (she had about $8000 of her own money when I cut off support and separated) She wanted to go back to China, and I gave a her a non-refundable, one way ticket home.

People that tell you to 'get over it' don't see to understand it's not over, until it's over. You have the added responsibility of the child to deal with. It's not going to be totally over for a long time.

Your wife will probably exhaust any free legal help she can find, I think whatever story she tells is so full of holes, even overly eager agencies with good intentions will see through it, and money for these agencies is drying up in the rough economy.

Good luck.

[Darnell 8,479]

clueless - thanks for checking in - I learned much from you this year and last, refactoring my approach in dealing with ICE.

You Officially Rock.

it's a universal truth, alas - it ain't over till it's over.

[Confused 2 94]

Making me dizzy with your long-winded argument that does not erase the fact that MEN, women and children EQUALLY benefit from the VAWA.

But they dont!!!!! Nobody gets EQUAL treatment or EQUAL benefit in the USA in the name of equality anymore!!!!!!!! You catch my drift???

[verysadguy 170]

I was in a similar mess a few years ago, minus the baby.

Be patient. Cover your butt. I think you have been. Make sure you keep putting copies of all evidence in her file, with her A# on each page. You can mail them to the local USCIS office, or handcarry them with an Infopass Appointment.

The people at my local USCIS field office weren't real helpful, but they did give me the direct number to the local ICE investigator, who attempted to do something, but the DA didn't want to prosecute the fraud case.

In my situation, my ex was older, not willing to work, and ran out of money and friends to mooch from about 5 months after her conditional green card expired, and about 12 months of surviving in the US on her own. (she had about $8000 of her own money when I cut off support and separated) She wanted to go back to China, and I gave a her a non-refundable, one way ticket home.

People that tell you to 'get over it' don't see to understand it's not over, until it's over. You have the added responsibility of the child to deal with. It's not going to be totally over for a long time.

Your wife will probably exhaust any free legal help she can find, I think whatever story she tells is so full of holes, even overly eager agencies with good intentions will see through it, and money for these agencies is drying up in the rough economy.

Good luck.

Wow clueless really? That gives me hope! I was shamefully defrauded. She was with her lover almost everday for a year before she came to the USA, and spoke to him daily once she got here not to mention the pornography she sent to him. I've sent so many letters with evidence to USCIS and VAWA unit its incredible they haven't tossed her out. Her new lover is paying her legal fees, and by coincidence he just happens to work for the non-profit supporting her. Disgusting moral-less creatures. I'll keep the board updated.

[TBoneTX 45,865]

Does that nonprofit organization have a Board of Directors? It should. This sounds like a severe conflict of interest by their worker, and something that could damage their organization. Think about investigating this avenue.

[james&olya 1,121]

Sociopath Test

The following questionnaire is based on research and experiences of socialised sociopaths.  For each trait, decide if it applies to the person you suspect may be a socialised sociopath, fully (2 points), partially (1 point) or not at all (0 points).

1) Do they have problems sustaining stable relationships, personally and in business? Yes, not even in contact with most of family. 2

2) Do they frequently manipulate others to achieve selfish goals, with no consideration of the effects on those manipulated? Definitely 2

3) Are they cavalier about the truth, and capable of telling lies to your face? Yes, repeatedly 2

4) Do they have an air of self-importance, regardless of their true standing in society? Yes, gloats over her successes at manipulation 2

5) Have they no apparent sense of remorse, shame or guilt? No guilt 2

6) Is their charm superficial, and capable of being switched on to suit immediate ends? Extremely charming to attain goals 2

7) Are they easily bored and demand constant stimulation? Yes, always needs attention 2

8) Are their displays of human emotion unconvincing? Can cry uncontrollably to gain attention 2

9) Do they enjoy taking risks, and acting on reckless impulse? Yes, duly noted 1

10) Are they quick to blame others for their mistakes? Yes. 1

11) As teenagers, did they resent authority, play truant and/or steal? Resents authority 1

12) Do they have no qualms about sponging off others? Proven sponger 2

13) Are they quick to lose their temper? Yes, can get very temperamental 2

14) Are they sexually promiscuous? In to crazy sex and internet webcam sex 1

15) Do they have a belligerent, bullying manner? Belligerent and domineering 1

16) Are they unrealistic about their long-term aims? Yes, makes promises she cannot keep and breaks them. 2

17) Do they lack any ability to empathise with others? Feigned empathy 2

18) Would you regard them as essentially irresponsible? Mostly. 1

Score: 30

A score of 25 or above suggests strong psychopathic tendencies.  This does not mean the person is a potential mass-murderer: socialised psychopaths are not mad, nor do they have to resort to violence.  Even so, a close professional or emotional relationship with a socialised psychopath is likely to prove a damaging experience.

Wow! Never saw this summarized so succinctly. It describes my USC ex-wife exactly. She only misses by 2 points having the maximum. She was extremely convincing at first, could fool anybody. Sorry to see you are going through this with your immigrant spouse. Hope the advantages of being the USC gives you a better outcome than I had!

[verysadguy 170]

you talked with an ICE human or a special VAWA human? you need an ICE human if you wish to open a fraud case on her. It'll be YOUR case, not hers.

A VAWA case is HER case, not yours.

A fraud case is YOURS, not hers.

Somethings mixed up here, much.

Darnell if my benefits fraud case is ruled in my favor, what happens to her VAWA claim? Does VAWA overall all others? I found more pictures of her naked on webcam while pregnant. How can she possibly get a VAWA approval if she did so many crazy things?