The Republican War Against Women, illustrated

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Post a link. The Aribtron ratings link has been posted several times showing that the ratings for the week in question will not be available until March 26th. You have chosen to simply state that you know it to be so. Just because you think it should be so does not make it real. Provide ONE link from a source as reputable as Arbitron that shows you are right.

Really, one link.

No, I will let you prove me wrong when the antiquated sources you use catch up. Betcha can't wait!

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Like I said, when your sources catch up you can come back and prove you are right. When I post facts and links, liberals deny them. Liberals even deny their OWN links.

Then the old bald fat guy can pay for it himself. Or local hospital gives a 50% cash discount, many hospitals do. I have no problem with that. OR the old bald fat guy can decide NOT to enroll in his employers healthcare program, keep the money he would pay toward his portion of the premium and buy his own health care insurance OR the old bald fat guy could buy condoms OR the old bald fat guy can pull out and aim it somewhere else OR the odl bald fat guy can get a job as a janitor nearly anywhere, lots of ads on Craigslist for janitors whoi has helathcare coverage that pays for his vasectomy, OR...

See, lots of options for independent people. Why do Liberals want us to believe that mature college educated women have no options and cannot handle their own responsibilties? Sounds like they are being disrespectful and insinusating women are too stupid to do that themselves, that they need their employer to make these decisions for them. Why do you believe the hottie would be immature and irresponsible? Because she is a woman? Or because she is a hottie?

I don't know, I read posts all the time as though their foreign SO is a child that needs a man to make decisions for her. I'm sure it is not the case, but it appears to be the position of the man, so I am only basing that assumption on his thinking.

You don't have sources which is why you don't post them - I have Arbitron ratings, which are the only accepted currency in the radio industry. Ad buys don't buy radio spots based on any other source - not stories posted on the WND, the statements of Sean Hannity or anything else. If you can prove me wrong using Arbitron ratings, I will admit I'm wrong.

Health insurance is part of employment compensation - you may be happy to dictate to be a complete patsy and pay for additional insurance, which is much more expensive than what is offered as part of the compensation to do your job but I am not. Why should I pay double for something I have already earned?

No, I will let you prove me wrong when the antiquated sources you use catch up. Betcha can't wait!

The "antiquated sources" the entire ad buying community uses you mean.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

No, I will let you prove me wrong when the antiquated sources you use catch up. Betcha can't wait!

As usual, all mouth and no trousers.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Of course, on the other side of the coin an old, fat bald guy might decide that HE wants to be responsible for birth control since his young hottie is a little immature and irresponsible

Wow, you really do hate women. Or only hot women? Maybe you hate young women?

I don't know, I read posts all the time as though their foreign SO is a child that needs a man to make decisions for her. I'm sure it is not the case, but it appears to be the position of the man, so I am only basing that assumption on his thinking.

You don't have sources which is why you don't post them - I have Arbitron ratings, which are the only accepted currency in the radio industry. Ad buys don't buy radio spots based on any other source - not stories posted on the WND, the statements of Sean Hannity or anything else. If you can prove me wrong using Arbitron ratings, I will admit I'm wrong.

Health insurance is part of employment compensation - you may be happy to dictate to be a complete patsy and pay for additional insurance, which is much more expensive than what is offered as part of the compensation to do your job but I am not. Why should I pay double for something I have already earned?

The "antiquated sources" the entire ad buying community uses you mean.

No, not those. Hey you will have your chance. wait for it.

Link to posts please.

I believe women can decide such things for themselves. You don't. I think we can agree to disagree on this. I am perfectly comfortable to leave you with your position and feel no need to change your mind.

Edited March 15, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

Wow, you really do hate women. Or only hot women? Maybe you hate young women?

I don't hate women at all whether they are hot, ugly, fat, old, young, blonde or brunette. Unlike yourself I do not put labels and categories on them to determine how I feel about them - I judge them individually

Why do the men they marry think they childish though? They have immigrated from another country, which takes a lot of maturity. I can't really comment on why they think that way.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I don't hate women at all whether they are hot, ugly, fat, old, young, blonde or brunette. Unlike yourself I do not put labels and categories on them to determine how I feel about them - I judge them individually

Why do the men they marry think they childish though? They have immigrated from another country, which takes a lot of maturity. I can't really comment on why they think that way.

I agree. I bet they can even handle their own birth control. I don't judge any of them, not my place to, I assume they are adults and responsible. Maybe I am wrong?

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

I believe women can decide such things for themselves. You don't. I think we can agree to disagree on this. I am perfectly comfortable to leave you with your position and feel no need to change your mind.

I believe in getting value for money. You don't. I expect my healthcare policy to actually fund my overall healthcare adequately and my decisions not be dictated by anyone other than my family

I'm sure when you buy a broken toaster that doesn't actually toast you don't go for a refund or exchange from Walmart. I mean, the government shouldn't tell Walmart to refund your money for faulty merchandise? Go out and buy another!

I agree. I bet they can even handle their own birth control. I don't judge any of them, not my place to, I assume they are adults and responsible. Maybe I am wrong?

I bet they can too. I am only commenting on a hypothetical situation based on a very real mindset I see here.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I believe in getting value for money. You don't. I expect my healthcare policy to actually fund my overall healthcare adequately and my decisions not be dictated by anyone other than my family

I'm sure when you buy a broken toaster that doesn't actually toast you don't go for a refund or exchange from Walmart. I mean, the government shouldn't tell Walmart to refund your money for faulty merchandise? Go out and buy another!

I don't shop at walmart but OK, whatever. I would go back to the store and get a refund, not go to the government and whine. As for healthcare, your expectations should be met, of course. If the plan offered by your employer does not meet them, get another one or get another employer. YOUR CHOICE! Why are you against choice? Why do you believe women cannot make such choices? Where do you get off insinuating women are so stupid and helpless?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Can we have a do over argument?

What things should or should not be mandated inside a healthcare policy?

If you buy a catastrophic plan does the mandate force it to cover birth control?

IE. I could go out and buy such a plan for 40 - 50 dollars a month right now. It would probably have a 5,000 USD deductible and not cover prescriptions before then etc.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I bet they can too. I am only commenting on a hypothetical situation based on a very real mindset I see here.

The only mindset I see arguing that they can't is YOURS. But it is very real.

NO ONE is preventing women from making their own healthcare choices which they are entirely capable of doing. I would like for you to stop insulting women and I believe your accusations and name calling are bordering on TOS violations. Please stop.

[Trompe le Monde 1,107]

The only mindset I see arguing that they can't is YOURS. But it is very real.

NO ONE is preventing women from making their own healthcare choices which they are entirely capable of doing. I would like for you to stop insulting women and I believe your accusations and name calling are bordering on TOS violations. Please stop.

You think I am insulting the women?

Oh Gezza, you are losing the plot

[Leatherneck 693]

Can we have a do over argument?

What things should or should not be mandated inside a healthcare policy?

If you buy a catastrophic plan does the mandate force it to cover birth control?

IE. I could go out and buy such a plan for 40 - 50 dollars a month right now. It would probably have a 5,000 USD deductible and not cover prescriptions before then etc.

Mandates certainly should not be the result of the fools that populate the 50 state houses or 500+ geniuses in DC - the market and competition among the health insurance companies should determine what is covered.

People want (and demand) affordable health insurance and they want government to force insurance companies to cover all kinds of ####### - yet they fail to see the connection between mandates and cost/affordability.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Mandates certainly should not be the result of the fools that populate the 50 state houses or 500+ geniuses in DC - the market and competition among the health insurance companies should determine what is covered.

People want (and demand) affordable health insurance and they want government to force insurance companies to cover all kinds of ####### - yet they fail to see the connection between mandates and cost/affordability.

One serious problem I've noticed is that maternity coverage seems to be going extinct. Very few plans are offered these days.

[Orando 57]

Can we have a do over argument?

What things should or should not be mandated inside a healthcare policy?

If you buy a catastrophic plan does the mandate force it to cover birth control?

IE. I could go out and buy such a plan for 40 - 50 dollars a month right now. It would probably have a 5,000 USD deductible and not cover prescriptions before then etc.

I would argue that health insurance should be unlinked from a person's employment. I would argue that individuals should own their own health insurance independent of their jobs, like people do with car, life and home owners insurance. I would argue that there should be a market place where people can go, shop and buy the insurance they want, like we do with car, life and homeowners insurance. The employer could still provide a cash benefit that the employee could then go and use to buy their health insurance if they like. The market place would then develop plans that meet the demand of consumers (Including plans that cover birth control). I do think it would be a good idea for the government to require that all insurance providers provide a basic health insurance plan to all people. Pre-existing conditions is a tough one, insuring someone with a pre-existing condition goes against the concept of insurance, in the same way a life insurance company will only insure a smoker with a life threatening illness for a super high premium. The insurance company is guaranteed to loose money on these consumers. I would be ok with the govt requiring insurance providers cover pre-existing conditions, this means higher premiums for everybody, but my conscience would sleep better knowing that these consumers are entering the risk pool, albeit they are more than a risk, they are a certainty, and getting the care they need. Anyways, my 2 cents Looks like we are on the path to a single payer govt system anyways, so much for free people owning their own health insurance policy.

Edit: People who do not have money for whatever reason, the govt could give these people money to buy their insurance, I am cool with my tax dollars going to that.

Edited March 15, 2012 by Orando

[Leatherneck 693]

One serious problem I've noticed is that maternity coverage seems to be going extinct. Very few plans are offered these days.

Could it have some connection with the expensive litigation associated with maternity and child birth?