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It has also been proven by many cases on here and is listed in the field manual that intent is not reason to deny providing there are no other adverse circumstances.

So again...not only is it legal to AOS on a VWP but when it comes to marrying a US citizen it does not even matter the intent.

Yet the TOS of this site specifically forbids anyone from instructing, directly, or indirectly, how to commit immigration fraud or engage in illegal activity. So, to use this site, the intent does matter.

AOS for my husband
8/17/10: INTERVIEW DAY (day 123) APPROVED!!

ROC:
5/23/12: Sent out package
2/06/13: APPROVED!

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Canada
Timeline
Posted

Sorry I am not trying to instruct anyone in committing fraud. But I don't see how that is fraud if it is legal.

I am not insinuating anyone should outright lie to a border officer, I am just trying to dispel the false information that is spread.

July 2005 - met my awesome, hot, amazing love in Lousiana.
July 2006 - Married said love and moved to Canada.
June 2011 - Entered US to visit family, decided to stay.
Feb. 2012 - Sent paperwork to Chicago.

May 2012 - Received green card.

Day 0 - Package sent to Chicago Lockbox - 02/27/2012
Day 2 - UPS Tracking Confirmation - 02/29/2012
Day 4 - NOA Emails Received - 03/02/2012
Day 7 - All Checks Cashed - 03/05/2012
Day 11 - Hard Copy NOA's Received - 03/09/2012
Day 11 - Biometrics Appointment Received - 03/09/2012
--------- - Booked for - 04/03/2012 (day 36)
Day 35 - Early Biometricts Walk-in - 04/02/2012
Day 44 - Received Appointment Letter - 04/11/2012
Day 58 - EAD Approval Online - 04/25/2012
Day 63 - EAD in the mail - 04/30/2012
Day 65 - EAD in hand - 05/02/2012
Day 77 - AOS Interview - 05/14/2012
Day 77 - AOS Approved!
Day 84 - Green Card In Hand - 05/21/2012

Posted (edited)

Sorry I am not trying to instruct anyone in committing fraud. But I don't see how that is fraud if it is legal.

I am not insinuating anyone should outright lie to a border officer, I am just trying to dispel the false information that is spread.

There is a misunderstanding here. Using a non-immigrant visa with the intent to immigrate is not legal at all. It is illegal. It is visa fraud. It is a negative factor. That negative factor is not strong enough to overcome the extremely positive factor of being married to a USC, but it is still illegal. That negative factor, by itself, is not enough reason to deny an AOS, but added to other negative factors, it can be. We don't know what other negative factors any other poster has, so it is possible that would be a problem for them.

Outright lying to a CBP officer is another matter and can get the immigrant charged with material misrepresentation, which results in a lifetime ban with no available waiver.

Edited by Harpa Timsah

AOS for my husband
8/17/10: INTERVIEW DAY (day 123) APPROVED!!

ROC:
5/23/12: Sent out package
2/06/13: APPROVED!

Posted (edited)

Aren't a few jurisdictions denying VWP folks now if they filed after the 90 day window?

OP, is there a reason why you've waited 4 months after you initially tried to send the package in why you haven't re-sent it? That's the most dangerous part, I think. They know he's still here AND what his address is.

Edited by Justine+David

Naturalization

9/9: Mailed N-400 package off

9/11: Arrived at Dallas, TX

9/17: NOA

9/19: Check cashed

9/23: Received NOA

10/7: Text from USCIS on status update: Biometrics in the mail

10/9: Received Biometrics letter

10/29: Biometrics

10/31: In-line

2/16: Text from USCIS that Baltimore has scheduled an interview...finally!!

2/24: Interview letter received

3/24: Naturalization interview

Posted

Aren't a few jurisdictions denying VWP folks now if they filed after the 90 day window?

OP, is there a reason why you've waited 4 months after you initially tried to send the package in why you haven't re-sent it? That's the most dangerous part, I think. They know he's still here AND what his address is.

They were, but USCIS sent out a memo that those offices were acting incorrectly.

I also don't understand what the OP has been doing since Thanksgiving, though.

AOS for my husband
8/17/10: INTERVIEW DAY (day 123) APPROVED!!

ROC:
5/23/12: Sent out package
2/06/13: APPROVED!

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Hungary
Timeline
Posted

A person entering the United States under the VWP cannot request an extension of the original allowed period of stay in the U.S. (this practice is allowed to those holding regular visas). However, VWP visitors may seek to adjust status on the basis of either (1) marriage to a US citizen or (2) an application for asylum. (from wikipedia) now I believe that child and parent of USC counts as well.

Entry on VWP to visit then-boyfriend 06/13/2011

Married 06/24/2011

Our first son was born 10/31/2012, our daughter was born 06/30/2014, our second son was born 06/20/2017

AOS Timeline

AOS package mailed 09/06/2011 (Chicago Lockbox)

AOS package signed for by R Mercado 09/07/2011

Priority date for I-485&I-130 09/08/2011

Biometrics done 10/03/2011

Interview letter received 11/18/2011

INTERVIEW DATE!!!! 12/20/2011

Approval e-mail 12/21/2011

Card production e-mail 12/27/2011

GREEN CARD ARRIVED 12/31/2011

Resident since 12/21/2011

ROC Timeline

ROC package mailed to VSC 11/22/2013

NOA1 date 11/26/2013

Biometrics date 12/26/2013

Transfer notice to CSC 03/14/2014

Change of address 03/27/2014

Card production ordered 04/30/2014

10-YEAR GREEN CARD ARRIVED 05/06/2014

N-400 Timeline

N-400 package mailed 09/30/2014

N-400 package delivered 10/01/2014

NOA1 date 10/20/2014

Biometrics date 11/14/2014

Early walk-in biometrics 11/12/2014

In-line for interview 11/23/2014

Interview letter 03/18/2015

Interview date 04/17/2015 ("Decision cannot yet be made.")

In-line for oath scheduling 05/04/2015

Oath ceremony letter dated 05/11/2015

Oath ceremony 06/02/2015

I am a United States citizen!

Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Hungary
Timeline
Posted

From the instruction for form I-485:

Who is not eligible to adjust status? (...)

K. You were admitted to the United States as a visitor under the Visa Waiver Program, unless you are applying because you are an immediate relative of a U.S. citizen (parent, spouse, widow, widower, or unmarried child under 21 years of age);

I somehow doubt that it would say this if it was against the law. The Dept of State website says basically : Don't do it. They don't say you can't.

:blush:

Entry on VWP to visit then-boyfriend 06/13/2011

Married 06/24/2011

Our first son was born 10/31/2012, our daughter was born 06/30/2014, our second son was born 06/20/2017

AOS Timeline

AOS package mailed 09/06/2011 (Chicago Lockbox)

AOS package signed for by R Mercado 09/07/2011

Priority date for I-485&I-130 09/08/2011

Biometrics done 10/03/2011

Interview letter received 11/18/2011

INTERVIEW DATE!!!! 12/20/2011

Approval e-mail 12/21/2011

Card production e-mail 12/27/2011

GREEN CARD ARRIVED 12/31/2011

Resident since 12/21/2011

ROC Timeline

ROC package mailed to VSC 11/22/2013

NOA1 date 11/26/2013

Biometrics date 12/26/2013

Transfer notice to CSC 03/14/2014

Change of address 03/27/2014

Card production ordered 04/30/2014

10-YEAR GREEN CARD ARRIVED 05/06/2014

N-400 Timeline

N-400 package mailed 09/30/2014

N-400 package delivered 10/01/2014

NOA1 date 10/20/2014

Biometrics date 11/14/2014

Early walk-in biometrics 11/12/2014

In-line for interview 11/23/2014

Interview letter 03/18/2015

Interview date 04/17/2015 ("Decision cannot yet be made.")

In-line for oath scheduling 05/04/2015

Oath ceremony letter dated 05/11/2015

Oath ceremony 06/02/2015

I am a United States citizen!

Posted

There is a misunderstanding here. Using a non-immigrant visa with the intent to immigrate is not legal at all. It is illegal. It is visa fraud. It is a negative factor. That negative factor is not strong enough to overcome the extremely positive factor of being married to a USC, but it is still illegal. That negative factor, by itself, is not enough reason to deny an AOS, but added to other negative factors, it can be. We don't know what other negative factors any other poster has, so it is possible that would be a problem for them.

Outright lying to a CBP officer is another matter and can get the immigrant charged with material misrepresentation, which results in a lifetime ban with no available waiver.

THIS. This is correct.

My note: At no point do any of us advocate entering the US with intent to immigrate, on a nonimmigrant visa. That WOULD be against the TOS of this site. However, when someone is already here, we advise as best we can on that situation.

Post on Adjudicators's Field Manual re: AOS and Intent: My link
Wedding Date: 06/14/2009
POE at Pearson Airport - for a visit, did not intend to stay - 10/09/2009
Found VisaJourney and created an account - 10/19/2009

I-130 (approved as part of the CR-1 process):
Sent 10/01/2009
NOA1 10/07/2009
NOA2 02/10/2010

AOS:
NOA 05/14/2010
Interview - approved! 07/29/10 need to send in completed I-693 (doctor missed answering a couple of questions) - sent back same day
Green card received 08/20/10

ROC:
Sent 06/01/2012
Approved 02/27/2013

Green card received 05/08/2013

Filed: Other Timeline
Posted

There was a time, not too long ago, when several USCIS field office denied AoS petitions from VWP overstayers outright. To the best of my knowledge, San Diego is still doing this. If that happens, the VWP overstayer may have to leave the U.S. and apply for a CR-1 visa at the U.S. consulate at their country of residence. However, if the overstay extended beyond 180 days, the beneficiary would trigger the 3-year bar.

Thus, it's certainly good advice not to play Russian Roulette with a gun that has 3 bullets in the 6-bullet chamber. AoS is really designed for cases where circumstances changed; abusing this can not only backfire badly, but it may result in USCIS revisioning their policy in this regard.

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all . . . . The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic . . . . There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.

President Teddy Roosevelt on Columbus Day 1915

Posted (edited)

That's too bad that they stopped doing it. 90 days is a long time to not worry about your status or do anything about it. At least folks who came over on actual visas were vetted at a US consulate...

In the UK, you *cannot* get married and stay (and they're making it pretty difficult to get married in the first place) and I wish our immigration rules were similar.

Edited by Justine+David

Naturalization

9/9: Mailed N-400 package off

9/11: Arrived at Dallas, TX

9/17: NOA

9/19: Check cashed

9/23: Received NOA

10/7: Text from USCIS on status update: Biometrics in the mail

10/9: Received Biometrics letter

10/29: Biometrics

10/31: In-line

2/16: Text from USCIS that Baltimore has scheduled an interview...finally!!

2/24: Interview letter received

3/24: Naturalization interview

 
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