Frequent Visits on the Vwp while K1 is pending?

[John25 0]

Hello everyone,congrats for the amazing site and the amazing work you do over here helping people.

I know that this topic has been discussed a lot in the site but i think that my case is kinda weird so i could use an advice/experience that anyone else with a similar situation has.

So,the situation starts like that.

I met my fiance online on august and we finally met up in November 2011.My trips since then are as follow(Just to mention that November was my first ever visit in the Us)

1)One trip from November to December for 21 days(stayed at home country for 18 days)

2)One trip from December to February for 58 days(stayed at home country for 23 days)

3)Planning for a trip this Friday,March to June for 86 days.

We have already applied for a K1 visa on my last visit in the Us and we have received our NOA1.

I know that i can't stay in the Us more than in my home country,which number of days in a calendar year is 180 days.

I am not employed right now but i did pass an interview for a job and they will hire me the day of my return to my country in June.

The documents that i intend to have with me are the following:

1)My return ticket

2)The letter of intent that i am expected to return to my home country to be hired.

3)Bank statements that prove that i can support myself while in the Us.

4)My NOA1.

I am just very nervous and i know that the officer is the one to decide if i will be able to enter,but i would like to hear your personal experience and advice for my situation.

Thanks in advance for your answers and comments.

[John25 0]

Hello everyone,congrats for the amazing site and the amazing work you do over here helping people.

I know that this topic has been discussed a lot in the site but i think that my case is kinda weird so i could use an advice/experience that anyone else with a similar situation has.

So,the situation starts like that.

I met my fiance online on august and we finally met up in November 2011.My trips since then are as follow(Just to mention that November was my first ever visit in the Us)

1)One trip from November to December for 21 days(stayed at home country for 18 days)

2)One trip from December to February for 58 days(stayed at home country for 23 days)

3)Planning for a trip this Friday,March to June for 86 days.

We have already applied for a K1 visa on my last visit in the Us and we have received our NOA1.

I know that i can't stay in the Us more than in my home country,which number of days in a calendar year is 180 days.

I am not employed right now but i did pass an interview for a job and they will hire me the day of my return to my country in June.

The documents that i intend to have with me are the following:

1)My return ticket

2)The letter of intent that i am expected to return to my home country to be hired.

3)Bank statements that prove that i can support myself while in the Us.

4)My NOA1.

5)Thinking to bring a copy of my home,phone bill that(Its not my house,its my parents but the bill is on my name)

I never had a problem with the Cbp so far and never asked for further info or called for secondary inspection.I am just very nervous and i know that the officer is the one to decide if i will be able to enter,but i would like to hear your personal experience and advice for my situation.

Thanks in advance for your answers and comments.

[Noah Lot 391]

Hello everyone,congrats for the amazing site and the amazing work you do over here helping people.

I know that this topic has been discussed a lot in the site but i think that my case is kinda weird so i could use an advice/experience that anyone else with a similar situation has.

So,the situation starts like that.

I met my fiance online on august and we finally met up in November 2011.My trips since then are as follow(Just to mention that November was my first ever visit in the Us)

1)One trip from November to December for 21 days(stayed at home country for 18 days)

2)One trip from December to February for 58 days(stayed at home country for 23 days)

3)Planning for a trip this Friday,March to June for 86 days.

We have already applied for a K1 visa on my last visit in the Us and we have received our NOA1.

I know that i can't stay in the Us more than in my home country,which number of days in a calendar year is 180 days.

I am not employed right now but i did pass an interview for a job and they will hire me the day of my return to my country in June.

The documents that i intend to have with me are the following:

1)My return ticket

2)The letter of intent that i am expected to return to my home country to be hired.

3)Bank statements that prove that i can support myself while in the Us.

4)My NOA1.

I am just very nervous and i know that the officer is the one to decide if i will be able to enter,but i would like to hear your personal experience and advice for my situation.

Thanks in advance for your answers and comments.

there are no 100% certain outcomes...if the CBP folks believe your story, you will be admitted; if not, bring a long novel to read. Letters from future employers have the same value as a two week old newspaper.....less than nothing....why?? Because of this simple fact: There is NO country on this planet that has some sort of onerous penalty for anyone who fails to either (a) provide said job or (b) fails to take said job.....bottom line: there is NO downside if either YOU (most likely) fails to take advantage of this so called opportunity or (b) the alleged employer changes their mind.

Edited March 14, 2012 by Noah Lot

[John25 0]

there are no 100% certain outcomes...if the CBP folks believe your story, you will be admitted; if not, bring a long novel to read. Letters from future employers have the same value as a two week old newspaper.....less than nothing....why?? Because of this simple fact: There is NO country on this planet that has some sort of onerous penalty for anyone who fails to either (a) provide said job or (b) fails to take said job.....bottom line: there is NO downside if either YOU (most likely) fails to take advantage of this so called opportunity or (b) the alleged employer changes their mind.

Yeah i know what you mean,i thought about that too.The owner of the company is a family friend and agreed to take my to his job by the time that i return back,he gave me the letter signed and has his phone number on too in case they want to contact him.But again i understand the point here,they probably won't count it as proof of ties to my home country.

At least i hope that the rest of the documents i take with me will be more like evidence than this one.

[Moomin 292]

I don't see how a letter stating you'll look for employment will help you unless you have something lined up already. Taking your word for it isn't going to matter. IF you get questioned and have to show documentation, employment letter, supporting yourself and basically factors that already tie you to your home country are being taken into consideration.

Yes, it's 180 in a rolling year however it's not a magic number. You're allowed up to 180 days. From November to June, it's 165 days. Not to get you concerned because that's not my intention. Usually people are let into the US travelling on VWP with a "enjoy your stay" but there are exceptions. Be prepared and answer precise and truthfully. The minute you come of as nervous or over prepared you're subject to questioning or being denied. Or it's a matter of routine from the CBP's side.

Like I said, I don't want to freak you out. You managed to visit so far, most likely because of your normal travel pattern and your honesty. It isn't any different now other than being aware. Don't read to many horror stories however it's good to have some knowledge about it IF you're denied to know what your next steps are. A denied entry isn't going to count against you as in the i-129f/K1 process but you can't travel on VWP after being denied once.

[John25 0]

I don't see how a letter stating you'll look for employment will help you unless you have something lined up already. Taking your word for it isn't going to matter. IF you get questioned and have to show documentation, employment letter, supporting yourself and basically factors that already tie you to your home country are being taken into consideration.

Yes, it's 180 in a rolling year however it's not a magic number. You're allowed up to 180 days. From November to June, it's 165 days. Not to get you concerned because that's not my intention. Usually people are let into the US travelling on VWP with a "enjoy your stay" but there are exceptions. Be prepared and answer precise and truthfully. The minute you come of as nervous or over prepared you're subject to questioning or being denied. Or it's a matter of routine from the CBP's side.

Like I said, I don't want to freak you out. You managed to visit so far, most likely because of your normal travel pattern and your honesty. It isn't any different now other than being aware. Don't read to many horror stories however it's good to have some knowledge about it IF you're denied to know what your next steps are. A denied entry isn't going to count against you as in the i-129f/K1 process but you can't travel on VWP after being denied once.

Well,i am a little bit worried but i will take my chances after all.I dunno how you mean if i have something lined up,its like i will have a position in the company as i said by the time that i get back to my country,its mostly like a ''letter of intent to hire someone'' if that counts for anything.

I am really trying not to think about it that much,after all there is nothing i can really do than bring the documents that i have and be honest.

P.S I dunno if its worth to mention,but after this visit i am not planning to visit the Us anymore till the K1 visa is approved.

Edited March 14, 2012 by John25

[Moomin 292]

Something lined up = starting a job upon your return. In that case, yes, it works as a tie to your home country.

Indeed try to visit. Being turned away at the aiport(in the US) is better than not going at all and wondering if you could've visited, IMO.

Good luck. : )

[John25 0]

Something lined up = starting a job upon your return. In that case, yes, it works as a tie to your home country.

Indeed try to visit. Being turned away at the aiport(in the US) is better than not going at all and wondering if you could've visited, IMO.

Good luck. : )

Then yes,i do have something lined up i guess,that's the letter that the company owner gave me.

Thanks

[Stu4Lee 66]

Pending K-1 with NOA1 in Jan, plus 5 months takes you to June, when you start your "new job" which is being held for 3 further months until then for you...not planning on staying in that position very long then ?

Where you coming from and what POE ?

Prepare for secondary, be confident not cocky.

It doesn't look that good a story from here to be honest, just saying.

I would say you got to hope CBP don't question you about that timeline.

Good luck

Edited March 14, 2012 by Stu4Lee

[John25 0]

Pending K-1 with NOA1 in Jan, plus 5 months takes you to June, when you start your "new job" which is being held for 3 further months until then for you...not planning on staying in that position very long then ?

Where you coming from and what POE ?

Prepare for secondary, be confident not cocky.

It doesn't look that good a story from here to be honest, just saying.

I would say you got to hope CBP don't question you about that timeline.

Good luck

Well,the things are almost as you described them with few different details.

Yes,the timeline is for june for the NOA2 if it is approved(which i really hope so),then it takes up to at least 2 months for all the rest of the things(sent to my country,interview,medical)and after that i am not planning to come move instantly cause i want to gather up some more money for some expenses.

Probably i will be entering the Us IF everything goes well with the K1 around October or so.After all its that kind of job that has its peak in summer early autumn,that's why the period of hiring too.I am coming from Geneva at Dulles International Airport.

Thanks

[John25 0]

Another question for the forum,if anyone knows i would appreciate it a lot.

If i get a health insurance travel plan will it be considered as more evidence that i am returning back to my home country at the date that the insurance expires?Just a thought,i am trying to find the best documents to reduce the possibilities of being denied.

[John25 0]

Another question for the forum,if anyone knows i would appreciate it a lot.

If i get a health insurance travel plan will it be considered as more evidence that i am returning back to my home country at the date that the insurance expires?Just a thought,i am trying to find the best documents to reduce the possibilities of being denied.

And a last question,sorry that came up to me right after i posted that,when asked by the Cbp officer,should i say that i am visiting my fiance or that i am just visiting my girlfriend?

I know that it might be a weird question,but i ask that because when i called the cbp customers service and didn't mention anything about a fiance,they said that i don't have a problem visiting.

The second time i called tho,2 days ago and mentioned the fiance and K1 visa that is pending,the guy there ''adviced'' me that i shouldn't come in the US while a K1 is pending.

Thanks in advance for all the answers,i appreciate all the comments and opinions.

[canadian_wife 1,826]

As you can see by the responses you got already, it is totally up to the CBP. If the CBP does not mind 'girlfriend vs. fiance' then no worries, if he does then you might have a problem. The issue is, you don't know which one you'll get

I ALWAYS advise total honesty. Just my policy

Travel insurance is not a tie to your country

Good luck

[John25 0]

As you can see by the responses you got already, it is totally up to the CBP. If the CBP does not mind 'girlfriend vs. fiance' then no worries, if he does then you might have a problem. The issue is, you don't know which one you'll get

I ALWAYS advise total honesty. Just my policy

Travel insurance is not a tie to your country

Good luck

Yes,i did read a little bit more over to the forums and i decided to be 100% honest(i would be after all,i just saw some things like : don't give more information than asked for).

Thanks for the responce

[canadian_wife 1,826]

With such frequent visits to the US, it is clear you are visiting someone special. If you go for the "holiday" reason for visit, you can expect to be pushed as to who you are spending so much time with in the US - this is why I suggest total honesty

Good luck