I was caught with fake IDs when I was 19

[realizment 18]

Hey guys,

I think i mentioned this when i first joined. Once when returning to US after finishing college there, i was denied entry under the visa waiver program. I had in my wallet 2 false driver licenses, 1 was California and 1 Ohio. The reason I had these was to obtain alcohol and be served in bars, I got them when friends came to visit and we were going to vegas. I got the californian one first and realized it didnt work to good, and my friend already had an Ohio one which he had no problems with. Thats why i ended up with 2. I had gotten a couple of visitor visa and a J1 since that happened. But last year, when trying for F1 they did bring this up. Do you guys think it could pose any threat during my interview. The officers who granted me the previous visa where understandable as to why I had them. But Im not sure about the officers who refused my F1. Im pretty sure the main reason F1 was refused more so due to the time i had spent in US and my ties where not deemed strong enough now.

Thanks

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Hey guys,

I think i mentioned this when i first joined. Once when returning to US after finishing college there, i was denied entry under the visa waiver program. I had in my wallet 2 false driver licenses, 1 was California and 1 Ohio. The reason I had these was to obtain alcohol and be served in bars, I got them when friends came to visit and we were going to vegas. I got the californian one first and realized it didnt work to good, and my friend already had an Ohio one which he had no problems with. Thats why i ended up with 2. I had gotten a couple of visitor visa and a J1 since that happened. But last year, when trying for F1 they did bring this up. Do you guys think it could pose any threat during my interview. The officers who granted me the previous visa where understandable as to why I had them. But Im not sure about the officers who refused my F1. Im pretty sure the main reason F1 was refused more so due to the time i had spent in US and my ties where not deemed strong enough now.

Thanks

How is it that they happened to find these two pieces of fake ID in your wallet? Did the immigration officer ask you for these documents, or did they find them in secondary inspection after searching you?

If they found the documents in secondary inspection after searching you then you're probably ok, as long as there's no record of you having ever presented these to an immigration officer representing that they were genuine documents. If you actually tried to use them as identification with any immigration officer then it could be considered to be a false claim of US citizenship. That would result in a lifetime bar from the US.

[realizment 18]

How is it that they happened to find these two pieces of fake ID in your wallet? Did the immigration officer ask you for these documents, or did they find them in secondary inspection after searching you?

If they found the documents in secondary inspection after searching you then you're probably ok, as long as there's no record of you having ever presented these to an immigration officer representing that they were genuine documents. If you actually tried to use them as identification with any immigration officer then it could be considered to be a false claim of US citizenship. That would result in a lifetime bar from the US.

Yea secondary inspection. And it looked bad because i also had my graduation package in my bag which included a job contacts list. But that was a worldwide list as far as I remember not just US based. I had just graduated i did not plan to get any illegal work at all. And i do have extensive bank statements to show i withdrew money from my home account every week in every year i was there. Yea i never used the ID's or presented them for anything other than entry to clubs and buy booze, living up to our stereotypes i guess!! But i dont really drink anymore now, pluse i am of age in the US now lol..

Edited March 11, 2012 by realizment

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Yea secondary inspection. And it looked bad because i also had my graduation package in my bag which included a job contacts list. But that was a worldwide list as far as I remember not just US based. I had just graduated i did not plan to get any illegal work at all. And i do have extensive bank statements to show i withdrew money from my home account every week in every year i was there. Yea i never used the ID's or presented them for anything other than entry to clubs and buy booze, living up to our stereotypes i guess!! But i dont really drink anymore now, pluse i am of age in the US now lol..

"Immigrant intent" is an oddball in the list of inadmissibilities. Most inadmissibilities (other than medical) come into existence at some precise moment in time (like when judge says "Guilty!"), and they continue to exist virtually forever or until a waiver has been granted for them. "Immigrant intent" exists only at the moment you apply for admission to the United States, and then it vanishes until the next time you apply for entry as a non-immigrant. It only becomes an issue if you actually enter the United States and then apply for an immigration benefit. If you're denied entry then the issue goes away.

A K1 visa is an oddball in the list of non-immigrant visas. It's one of the few that allows you to have "immigrant intent" at the time you apply for admission to the United States. This means any prior denial of admission for "immigrant intent" becomes irrelevant.

Realistically, this stuff is all in your record with US immigration authorities. You could be asked about it at the visa interview. They might accuse you of being in a sham relationship primarily for the purpose of obtaining an immigration benefit. Frankly, the odds of this being a real issue in Ireland are pretty remote. Ireland isn't a high fraud third world country. If Ireland, or any country in the United Kingdom, shared a border with the United States then you'd probably have a problem with Americans jumping to fence to get in!

I think you'll be fine.

[realizment 18]

"Immigrant intent" is an oddball in the list of inadmissibilities. Most inadmissibilities (other than medical) come into existence at some precise moment in time (like when judge says "Guilty!"), and they continue to exist virtually forever or until a waiver has been granted for them. "Immigrant intent" exists only at the moment you apply for admission to the United States, and then it vanishes until the next time you apply for entry as a non-immigrant. It only becomes an issue if you actually enter the United States and then apply for an immigration benefit. If you're denied entry then the issue goes away.

A K1 visa is an oddball in the list of non-immigrant visas. It's one of the few that allows you to have "immigrant intent" at the time you apply for admission to the United States. This means any prior denial of admission for "immigrant intent" becomes irrelevant.

Realistically, this stuff is all in your record with US immigration authorities. You could be asked about it at the visa interview. They might accuse you of being in a sham relationship primarily for the purpose of obtaining an immigration benefit. Frankly, the odds of this being a real issue in Ireland are pretty remote. Ireland isn't a high fraud third world country. If Ireland, or any country in the United Kingdom, shared a border with the United States then you'd probably have a problem with Americans jumping to fence to get in!

I think you'll be fine.

Thanks for the input! Well are relationship is solid. We have been together since 2008. And lived together in 2 different addresses. with tons of pics etc. And I did have visas since that incident i described. I was just denied the F visa 3 times last year. I was told on first interview it was approved but then my passport came back with denial letter.

Thanks again!