Atheists likely to outnumber Christians in England in 20 years

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I am not sure you understand what Atheism is, it is a belief system.

Agnosticism more than Atheism is probably the term more like to suit the beliefs of these people.

[dustingthestars 9]

How can Atheism be a belief system when at it's very core it's a rejection of belief systems. So Atheists reject Atheism then?

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Agnosticism more than Atheism is probably the term more like to suit the beliefs of these people.

I would classify myself as pseudo agnostic, for American usage I just say C of E, keeps life simple and they can believe what they want.

How can Atheism be a belief system when at it's very core it's a rejection of belief systems. So Atheists reject Atheism then?

Google is your friend. And more than I care to type.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Atheism is the belief that there is no deity to believe in.

[dustingthestars 9]

Atheism is the belief that there is no deity to believe in.

Ah, understood. So Atheism when you don't believe in a deity and Agnosticism when you're not sure if you believe in a deity?

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Or could not give a toss.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

A theist believes, and atheist doesn't believe and an agnostic neither believes or disbelieves.

[Danno 1,228]

A theist believes, and atheist doesn't believe and an agnostic neither believes or disbelieves.

I tend to believe Atheist do operate in the realm of "faith".

Faith is simply believe in that which you have no evidence to prove.

The Atheists, though our exploration of science and the universe is infantile... yet he steps out in faith and proclaims "no God or higher being exists".

He can't possibly know that , he has net experience even everything nor every place on earth... not to mention beyond.

THe Atheist knows our discovery of this planet and the universe still has a long way but he still stakes the claim.

Now to be fair, some Atheists are not dogmatic , they simply stand on the position that "From all I have seen and experienced" there is no god.

Many lean heavily on Science, which of course is a limited resource to find spiritual answers, similar to measuring weight or speed with a thermometer.

[james&olya 1,121]

I tend to believe Atheist do operate in the realm of "faith".

Faith is simply believe in that which you have no evidence to prove.

The Atheists, though our exploration of science and the universe is infantile... yet he steps out in faith and proclaims "no God or higher being exists".

He can't possibly know that , he has net experience even everything nor every place on earth... not to mention beyond.

THe Atheist knows our discovery of this planet and the universe still has a long way but he still stakes the claim.

Now to be fair, some Atheists are not dogmatic , they simply stand on the position that "From all I have seen and experienced" there is no god.

Many lean heavily on Science, which of course is a limited resource to find spiritual answers, similar to measuring weight or speed with a thermometer.

Choosing not to believe something exists based on there being NO objective evidence of its existence is not faith, it is simple logic! I also do not believe in the tooth fairy or easter bunny. It is not faith but intelligently applied logic that leads to my conclusions. You are entitled to believe in any fantasy you choose. If it helps you to cope with the stresses in your life it is a good thing. Just don't try to compel public policy that affects me based on your delusions!

[Danno 1,228]

Choosing not to believe something exists based on there being NO objective evidence of its existence is not faith, it is simple logic! I also do not believe in the tooth fairy or easter bunny. It is not faith but intelligently applied logic that leads to my conclusions. You are entitled to believe in any fantasy you choose. If it helps you to cope with the stresses in your life it is a good thing. Just don't try to compel public policy that affects me based on your delusions!

With all due respect, how dare you attribute "Intelligence" as a means of finding the truth..... not that you arean't intelligent (as humans go) but humans are just not that intelligent on the whole,

The only reason you feel proud of your level of intelligence is because of what you compare your self too.

Even our body of knowledge which is different than intelligence is still fairly small, But feel free to rest your case on a limited body of information.

I get what you are saying about the Easter bunny, but that answer should have been better thought out, I mean if there really were an Easter bunny, more people would know or believe in it, it would go back since the beginning of recorded history.

No, a faith in some kind of supreme being is so universal, to present in every culture and at every time period that to dismiss it easy Santa Claus, shows you are committed to your faith of Atheism. Common similar experiences found in people completely isolated from with other by time and geography is an indicator that perhaps something is causing this, you dismiss it without entertaining "why"..... that my friend is not the actions of an intelligent investigator.

[james&olya 1,121]

With all due respect, how dare you attribute "Intelligence" as a means of finding the truth..... not that you arean't intelligent (as humans go) but humans are just not that intelligent on the whole,

The only reason you feel proud of your level of intelligence is because of what you compare your self too.

Even our body of knowledge which is different than intelligence is still fairly small, But feel free to rest your case on a limited body of information.

I get what you are saying about the Easter bunny, but that answer should have been better thought out, I mean if there really were an Easter bunny, more people would know or believe in it, it would go back since the beginning of recorded history.

No, a faith in some kind of supreme being is so universal, to present in every culture and at every time period that to dismiss it easy Santa Claus, shows you are committed to your faith of Atheism. Common similar experiences found in people completely isolated from with other by time and geography is an indicator that perhaps something is causing this, you dismiss it without entertaining "why"..... that my friend is not the actions of an intelligent investigator.

Because aboriginal cultures have all worshipped some god or gods, many of them quite bizarre, means that is evidence YOUR god exists?!!!

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Because aboriginal cultures have all worshipped some god or gods, many of them quite bizarre, means that is evidence YOUR god exists?!!!

Why did you mention Aboriginal culture when I said "every" culture in the world.

I hope you weren't using these "first peoples" to suggest bottom run intelligence in some lame attempt to discredit another s view point. Tsk Tsk Tsk.

That would certainly have racial/ ethnic over tones and be most unlike the person you try to present here.

[james&olya 1,121]

Why did you mention Aboriginal culture when I said "every" culture in the world.

I hope you weren't using these "first peoples" to suggest bottom run intelligence in some lame attempt to discredit another s view point. Tsk Tsk Tsk.

That would certainly have racial/ ethnic over tones and be most unlike the person you try to present here.

You are right, I should not have used the term 'aboriginal'. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you actually knew what you were talking about, and were defining 'culture' as a single thing inclusive of its modern day manifestation and its aboriginal basis! And why would you think I don't believe in high intelligence among many aboriginals? It appears that you are the one with the issues of racial/ethnic prejudice here!

While present in the forebears of virtually every modern culture, it is no longer such a 'universal' thing for many present-day cultures. Particularly in the most educated cultures today, the belief in a literal supreme deity is on the way out! Large percentages of people who identify themselves as christian nonetheless believe in evolution and don't have an actual expectation of going to heaven or hell. It is not hard to understand the desire to have such beliefs prior to the discoveries of modern science. And even though separated in recent times, all of these cultures had a common origin. Your argument is pretty much the same as those who answer about why things are done how they are, 'because that's the way we have always done it!'

[Danno 1,228]

While present in the forebears of virtually every modern culture, it is no longer such a 'universal' thing for many present-day cultures. Particularly in the most educated cultures today, the belief in a literal supreme deity is on the way out! Large percentages of people who identify themselves as christian nonetheless believe in evolution and don't have an actual expectation of going to heaven or hell. It is not hard to understand the desire to have such beliefs prior to the discoveries of modern science. And even though separated in recent times, all of these cultures had a common origin. Your argument is pretty much the same as those who answer about why things are done how they are, 'because that's the way we have always done it!'

Name the cultures or countries which universally reject the existence of God?

Or is this just more wishful thinking based on projections?

The facts are, there is no where you can go in the world where people who live there don't have spiritual beliefs.

Actually you must make a real effort to find those who don't.

Atheists account for 3. something percent of the world population.

Think about how out of balance your experience might be with the reality of the rest of the world, what percentage of people that you know, who are Atheist?

Even in the category of "non religious" that number is a whopping 15%.

Even if one were to consider Europe alone, it would be hard to find any wide spread rejection of a belief in God.

Again, it is true Europe grows less and less interested in faith in general but since these people are not having any kids... and people who do have faith tend to procreate at healthy levels, the percentage of Atheists in the world is certainly on the decline.

One might even say it is the Dawin effect in action.

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there isnt an easter bunny?