Palestinians fire at least 80 rockets at southern Israel

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Monday, March 12 2012|Larry Derfner

On display in Gaza: The true Israeli narrative

Islamic Jihad or Fatah, terrorists or guerillas, post-Oslo or pre-Oslo, the Palestinians have no right to resist our control, which we impose by full right.

Here we are again, fighting for our survival, fighting in self-defense, killing Islamic Jihad terrorists who deliberately fire rockets at innocent Israeli civilians, and all this after we got out of there completely, and after all the peace offers we made since Oslo that they rejected. You see? We have no choice.

The above is the Israeli narrative for our current targeted assassination campaign, the same one we used for Operation Cast Lead and every other onslaught we’ve visited on the Strip over the last decade: Our enemies are jihadists who won’t accept anything less than our deaths; they target innocent civilians, which further proves their intentions and essential evil; and we’ve offered them statehood repeatedly but they rejected it every time, so war is forced on us as the last option.

This is what Israelis tell themselves, and it’s all #######. It doesn’t matter whether the terrorists are jihadists or not, it doesn’t matter if they target civilians or not, it doesn’t matter if we offered them statehood or not – we’re going to kill them if they try to break out of our control, and we will always be totally innocent, while they will always be totally guilty.

Look at this hypocrisy. We say that we kill them because they attack innocent civilians; would we not kill them if they only attacked soldiers? If instead of rockets they had Apache helicopters and F-16s and bombed IDF bases and soldiers in uniform – would we view them or treat them any differently?

Moreover, Islamic Jihad, Hamas and the other religious fanatics only started fighting after the first intifada of 1987; before that it was mainly Fatah, a secular nationalist movement whose armed men now work day and night with the Shin Bet and IDF, whose leaders clink glasses with our leaders. When Fatah were the terrorists, were they one iota less loathesome, less evil in Israeli eyes than Islamic Jihad?

Finally, about our peace offers, let’s put aside the fact that we never offered the Palestinians sovereignty anywhere, never offered them the freedoms that every nation, beginning with Israel, demands. For the sake of argument, let’s say that the Oslo Accord did offer the Palestinians a deal that, by rights, they should have accepted; let’s say Rabin, Peres, Barak, Olmert and even Netanyahu offered them a peaceful way to gain their freedom and independence, yet they rejected it. Even if that were true – what about before Oslo? Did Yitzhak Shamir offer the Palestinians statehood or anything except life under Israeli military rule? Did Menachem Begin? Did Rabin in his first term? Did Golda Meir? Did Levi Eshkol? While reasonable, well-intentioned people may argue that Israel offered the Palestinians a way out of occupation after 1993, they can’t argue that we did so between 1967 and 1993. So if our post-Oslo peace offers make the Palestinians the aggressor and Israel the defender, what’s to say about all those Palestinian acts of violence during the 26 years of occupation before Oslo? If today’s rocket attacks are unjustified because we offered the Palestinians a state, are we saying, then, that during all those years when nothing was on offer, the attacks were justified? Of course not. As far as we’re concerned, they were as wanton and malicious and purely evil as could possibly be, exactly like the ones today.

Post-Oslo or pre-Oslo, civilian targets or military targets, jihadist or nationalist, it makes no difference – in our eyes, the Palestinians have no right to lift a finger against our control of their lives and land. And if they do, we have the absolute right to do whatever’s necessary to stop them, from Operation Cast Lead to targeted assassinations to barring the import of macaroni.

We are the conquerors, they are the conquered - that is the true Israeli narrative.

http://972mag.com/on-display-in-gaza-the-true-israeli-narrative/37663/

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Sounds like the Arabs would be better off moving out of Gaza and West Bank. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan...

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Sounds like the Arabs would be better off moving out of Gaza and West Bank. Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan...

That has been the standard Zionist view since at least the first part of the 20th century, and an integral part of its strategy.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That has been the standard Zionist view since at least the first part of the 20th century, and an integral part of its strategy.

It was the same agenda with as the Arabs, it's just that the Jews have more on the ball.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It was the same agenda with as the Arabs, it's just that the Jews have more on the ball.

Not so much, but the illusion is holding for now.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

It was the same agenda with as the Arabs, it's just that the Jews have more on the ball.

What Arab agenda ? Arabs are not the ones who expelled Jews from Palestine. Until the Zionist scheme to wrest Palestine from the overwhelming majority of its people, Palestine had been a relatively peaceful place where Palestinian Muslims got along with Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Jews, and nobody was expelling people.

I think you didn't like this video, though.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/355364-incredible-footage-from-jerusalem-in-1896-jews-muslims-christians-living-under-the-ottomans/

Edited March 12, 2012 by wife_of_mahmoud

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

What Arab agenda ? Arabs are not the ones who expelled Jews from Palestine. Until the Zionist scheme to wrest Palestine from the overwhelming majority of its people, Palestine had been a relatively peaceful place where Palestinian Muslims got along with Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Jews, and nobody was expelling people.

I think you didn't like this video, though.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/355364-incredible-footage-from-jerusalem-in-1896-jews-muslims-christians-living-under-the-ottomans/

And by the way many of those old Jewish families of Jerusalem such as shown in the video (the ones who were there before the first Zionist aliyah in the late 1800s) were very much opposed to this idea of forcibly taking Palestine from its Arab inhabitants, and many of their descendants are still opposed to it.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

What Arab agenda ? Arabs are not the ones who expelled Jews from Palestine. Until the Zionist scheme to wrest Palestine from the overwhelming majority of its people, Palestine had been a relatively peaceful place where Palestinian Muslims got along with Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Jews, and nobody was expelling people.

I think you didn't like this video, though.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/355364-incredible-footage-from-jerusalem-in-1896-jews-muslims-christians-living-under-the-ottomans/

Do you think anyone here just fell off the last box car? If your going to push the Arab agenda then at least do some research on said subject. Arab leaders came out as saying Palestine would be Arab run (all of it), and that the Jews could live peacefully in Arab Palestine...which would be all of British Mandate Palestine.

And by the way many of those old Jewish families of Jerusalem such as shown in the video (the ones who were there before the first Zionist aliyah in the late 1800s) were very much opposed to this idea of forcibly taking Palestine from its Arab inhabitants, and many of their descendants are still opposed to it.

"Meanwhile back at the ranch...."

[mawilson 2,133]

What Arab agenda ? Arabs are not the ones who expelled Jews from Palestine. Until the Zionist scheme to wrest Palestine from the overwhelming majority of its people, Palestine had been a relatively peaceful place where Palestinian Muslims got along with Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Jews, and nobody was expelling people.

Oh yeah, things were just peachy in the Middle East until Israel came along. Fuckin paradise

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Oh yeah, things were just peachy in the Middle East until Israel came along. Fuckin paradise

And, it's still a peachy paradise now.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Do you think anyone here just fell off the last box car? If your going to push the Arab agenda then at least do some research on said subject. Arab leaders came out as saying Palestine would be Arab run (all of it), and that the Jews could live peacefully in Arab Palestine...which would be all of British Mandate Palestine.

Considering the demographics, that is the most likely future result.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Do you think anyone here just fell off the last box car? If your going to push the Arab agenda then at least do some research on said subject. Arab leaders came out as saying Palestine would be Arab run (all of it), and that the Jews could live peacefully in Arab Palestine...which would be all of British Mandate Palestine.

"Meanwhile back at the ranch...."

Of course Jews could live peacefully in Arab Palestine - they did for centuries. What do you think is so outrageous about that ? And as far as "Arab-run" - actually, various ruling government agencies in Palestine did include Jews in high positions.

However, it seems you are blissfully unaware of the statements made by Zionist leaders in the decades prior to 1948, in which they clearly articulated their intent to drive most of the Palestinian Arabs out of Palestine in order to create a Jewish state with a Jewish majority, as well as the intent to expand that state beyond any partitioned section of Palestine into all of historic Palestine.

For one who constantly blathers about people needing to learn history, you could use quite a bit of education yourself about this particular subject.

However, it would require more effort and sustained attention than quick Googles for Wiki links and cut-and-pastes from dubious websites. Since you seem to have a lot of time on your hands, maybe crack open a book or two ?

[웃 910]

Palestinian terrorists fired at least 80 rockets from Gaza into southern Israel since Friday night, leaving eight Israelis injured.

They must have terrible aim:

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Of course Jews could live peacefully in Arab Palestine - they did for centuries. What do you think is so outrageous about that ? And as far as "Arab-run" - actually, various ruling government agencies in Palestine did include Jews in high positions.

However, it seems you are blissfully unaware of the statements made by Zionist leaders in the decades prior to 1948, in which they clearly articulated their intent to drive most of the Palestinian Arabs out of Palestine in order to create a Jewish state with a Jewish majority, as well as the intent to expand that state beyond any partitioned section of Palestine into all of historic Palestine.

For one who constantly blathers about people needing to learn history, you could use quite a bit of education yourself about this particular subject.

However, it would require more effort and sustained attention than quick Googles for Wiki links and cut-and-pastes from dubious websites. Since you seem to have a lot of time on your hands, maybe crack open a book or two ?

And the Jews lived "blissfully" in an Arab state..."The End". Not hardly. The Jews were told what land they were allowed to own, and how much. As far as the Zionist wanting to push out the Arabs for a Jewish state...that's hardly a secret. And it's no secret that the Arabs didn't want a Jewish state.

Look, the Jews took that land by force centuries ago, the Romans took it by force, then the Byzantines took it by force, then the Muslims took it by fore then the Crusaders took it by force, Muslims again, and now the Jews again. It's come around full circle. But only an uneducated idiot would think the Jews had it good under Muslim rule.

The Arabs didn't want a state of Israel yet there is one. It was a land grab for both involved and the Jews won. If the Arabs want it back then they are going to have to take it by force, just like the Jews did. The Arabs have had their chances god only knows how many times when Israel was attacked by several Arab countries on one then more occasion starting in 1947.

Edited March 12, 2012 by Why_Me

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

And the Jews lived "blissfully" in an Arab state..."The End". Not hardly. The Jews were told what land they were allowed to own, and how much. As far as the Zionist wanting to push out the Arabs for a Jewish state...that's hardly a secret. And it's no secret that the Arabs didn't want a Jewish state.

Look, the Jews took that land by force centuries ago, the Romans took it by force, then the Byzantines took it by force, then the Muslims took it by fore then the Crusaders took it by force, Muslims again, and now the Jews again. It's come around full circle. But only an uneducated idiot would think the Jews had it good under Muslim rule.

The Arabs didn't want a state of Israel yet there is one. It was a land grab for both involved and the Jews won. If the Arabs want it back then they are going to have to take it by force, just like the Jews did. The Arabs have had their chances god only knows how many times when Israel was attacked by several Arab countries on one then more occasion starting in 1947.

As I've asked you before, please post a link to the final borders of the State of Israel and cite the final document resolving the conflict.

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