Who knew it, I am a NATIVE AMERICAN

[Danno 1,228]

New evidence suggests Stone Age hunters from Europe discovered America

New archaeological evidence suggests that America was first discovered by Stone Age people from Europe – 10,000 years before the Siberian-originating ancestors of the American Indians set foot in the New World.

A remarkable series of several dozen European-style stone tools, dating back between 19,000 and 26,000 years, have been discovered at six locations along the US east coast. Three of the sites are on the Delmarva Peninsular in Maryland, discovered by archaeologist Dr Darrin Lowery of the University of Delaware. One is in Pennsylvania and another in Virginia. A sixth was discovered by scallop-dredging fishermen on the seabed 60 miles from the Virginian coast on what, in prehistoric times, would have been dry land.

The new discoveries are among the most important archaeological breakthroughs for several decades - and are set to add substantially to our understanding of humanity's spread around the globe.

The similarity between other later east coast US and European Stone Age stone tool technologies has been noted before. But all the US European-style tools, unearthed before the discovery or dating of the recently found or dated US east coast sites, were from around 15,000 years ago - long after Stone Age Europeans (the Solutrean cultures of France and Iberia) had ceased making such artefacts. Most archaeologists had therefore rejected any possibility of a connection. But the newly-discovered and recently-dated early Maryland and other US east coast Stone Age tools are from between 26,000 and 19,000 years ago - and are therefore contemporary with the virtually identical western European material.

What’s more, chemical analysis carried out last year on a European-style stone knife found in Virginia back in 1971 revealed that it was made of French-originating flint.

Professor Dennis Stanford, of the Smithsonian Institution in Washington DC, and Professor Bruce Bradley of the University of Exeter, the two leading archaeologists who have analysed all the evidence, are proposing that Stone Age people from Western Europe migrated to North America at the height of the Ice Age by travelling (over the ice surface and/or by boat) along the edge of the frozen northern part of the Atlantic. They are presenting their detailed evidence in a new book - Across Atlantic Ice – published this month.

At the peak of the Ice Age, around three million square miles of the North Atlantic was covered in thick ice for all or part of the year.

However, the seasonally shifting zone where the ice ended and the open ocean began would have been extremely rich in food resources – migrating seals, sea birds, fish and the now-extinct northern hemisphere penguin-like species, the great auk.

Stanford and Bradley have long argued that Stone Age humans were quite capable of making the 1500 mile journey across the Atlantic ice - but till now there was comparatively little evidence to support their thinking.

But the new Maryland, Virginia and other US east coast material, and the chemical tests on the Virginian flint knife, have begun to transform the situation. Now archaeologists are starting to investigate half a dozen new sites in Tennessee, Maryland and even Texas – and these locations are expected to produce more evidence.

Another key argument for Stanford and Bradley’s proposal is the complete absence of any human activity in north-east Siberia and Alaska prior to around 15,500 years ago. If the Maryland and other east coast people of 26,000 to 19,000 years ago had come from Asia, not Europe, early material, dating from before 19,000 years ago, should have turned up in those two northern areas, but none have been found.

Although Solutrean Europeans may well have been the first Americans, they had a major disadvantage compared to the Asian-originating Indians who entered the New World via the Bering Straits or along the Aleutian Islands chain after 15,500 years ago.

Whereas the Solutreans had only had a 4500 year long ‘Ice Age’ window to carry out their migratory activity, the Asian-originating Indians had some 15,000 years to do it. What’s more, the latter two-thirds of that 15 millennia long period was climatologically much more favourable and substantially larger numbers of Asians were therefore able to migrate.

As a result of these factors the Solutrean (European originating) Native Americans were either partly absorbed by the newcomers or were substantially obliterated by them either physically or through competition for resources.

Some genetic markers for Stone Age western Europeans simply don’t exist in north- east Asia – but they do in tiny quantities among some north American Indian groups. Scientific tests on ancient DNA extracted from 8000 year old skeletons from Florida have revealed a high level of a key probable European-originating genetic marker. There are also a tiny number of isolated Native American groups whose languages appear not to be related in any way to Asian-originating American Indian peoples.

But the greatest amount of evidence is likely to come from under the ocean – for most of the areas where the Solutreans would have stepped off the Ice onto dry land are now up to 100 miles out to sea.

The one underwater site that has been identified - thanks to the scallop dredgers – is set to be examined in greater detail this summer – either by extreme-depth divers or by remotely operated mini submarines equipped with cameras and grab arms.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/new-evidence-suggests-stone-age-hunters-from-europe-discovered-america-7447152.html

http://www.youtube.com/user/ramzpaul?feature=watch

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Interesting! Not totally surprised by the findings, nor by the thread title.

[Danno 1,228]

Based on this new evidence and finding, I will from here on out select the box which says "Native American".

This was my first experience with White guilt when I was just a wee lad.

[james&olya 1,121]

Based on this new evidence and finding, I will from here on out select the box which says "Native American".

You can trace your ancestry to these native american groups that may have european DNA? Yeah, I didn't think so! More 'Dannologic'!

[james&olya 1,121]

To be fair I will grant you this was a very interesting article! Your take on it, not so much!

[slim 1,525]

What I don't understand is how I, being born in America from parents who were both born in America, am not a "native" American.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

You can trace your ancestry to these native american groups that may have european DNA? Yeah, I didn't think so! More 'Dannologic'!

QFT. What direct tie-in does Danno have with the Aboriginal Peoples of the United States? None. If this true, what does it prove??? Think about it, even if the First Peoples came from Europe, so what? Does that mean that the past wrongs and mistreatments and genocide that they have had to deal with were somehow OK? Does that mean that redress and programs to ameliorate the conditions that they now face as a direct result of ongoing enrichment of others via the fruit of the poisoned tree should be curtailed? What does it mean? Let's discount the First Peoples, we stole everything else from them.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Based on this new evidence and finding, I will from here on out select the box which says "Native American".

This was my first experience with White guilt when I was just a wee lad.

Just like all the times you wrote in "more please," when you fill out forms that ask for sex?

Edited March 2, 2012 by IR5FORMUMSIE

[Danno 1,228]

QFT. What direct tie-in does Danno have with the Aboriginal Peoples of the United States? None. If this true, what does it prove??? Think about it, even if the First Peoples came from Europe, so what? Does that mean that the past wrongs and mistreatments and genocide that they have had to deal with were somehow OK? Does that mean that redress and programs to ameliorate the conditions that they now face as a direct result of ongoing enrichment of others via the fruit of the poisoned tree should be curtailed? What does it mean? Let's discount the First Peoples, we stole everything else from them.

Your eurocentrism is on display.

In many cases we bought or bargained with tribes for much of "what we got" but you in your inner supremacy, feel these people were not capable to make these deals fairly.

Why?

Bottom line was, in many cases Indians and Whites were not compatible in the same areas (who knew diversity would fail?)

If you study the history you will realize these "peaceful" indians were sometimes ruthless and slaughtered without disregard to sex or age and in the most brutal ways.

There were some tribes which seemed to co-exist better than others, it's one reason the Lumbee indians are still in SC.

No doubt wrongs are to be righted but this B.S. that the Indians did not contribute to the only solution possible is uneducated claptrap.

Again we did not TAKE EVERYTHING.... in many cases we made deals, that you dismiss these deals shows what you really think of the indian intellect.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Replace that spear with a Winchester 30 - 30 and that's what you have today. Don't forget to add the $10,000+ snowmobile with sled or the $25,000+ aluminum skiff with a new 4 stroke outboard, VHF radio, and GPS. Just like grandpa use to do it.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Your eurocentrism is on display.

In many cases we bought or bargained with tribes for much of "what we got" but you in your inner supremacy, feel these people were not capable to make these deals fairly.

Why?

Bottom line was, in many cases Indians and Whites were not compatible in the same areas (who knew diversity would fail?)

If you study the history you will realize these "peaceful" indians were sometimes ruthless and slaughtered without disregard to sex or age and in the most brutal ways.

There were some tribes which seemed to co-exist better than others, it's one reason the Lumbee indians are still in SC.

No doubt wrongs are to be righted but this B.S. that the Indians did not contribute to the only solution possible is uneducated claptrap.

Again we did not TAKE EVERYTHING.... in many cases we made deals, that you dismiss these deals shows what you really think of the indian intellect.

Excuse me but the are not from India, Indians come from India and as you were only too overjoyed to point out the First Peoples are descendants of Europeans not Asians. You seem to tergiversate, you talk about wrongs to be righted but then you dismiss any semblance of remorse or culpability for the plight of the First Peoples. How paradoxically curious.

Theft is theft, no matter how you try to misrepresent the broken treaties and agreements that fostered it.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Excuse me but the are not from India, Indians come from India and as you were only too overjoyed to point out the First Peoples are descendants of Europeans not Asians. You seem to tergiversate, you talk about wrongs to be righted but then you dismiss any semblance of remorse or culpability for the plight of the First Peoples. How paradoxically curious.

Theft is theft, no matter how you try to misrepresent the broken treaties and agreements that fostered it.

They have indoor plumbing, Walmart, and internet these days. If that isn't an improvement then what is?

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

They have indoor plumbing, Walmart, and internet these days. If that isn't an improvement then what is?

Wanna trade places with 'em? Wait, you'd also have be burdened with all the baggage and other ####### they have to tote along about being outcasts in their own homeland.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Wanna trade places with 'em? Wait, you'd also have be burdened with all the baggage and other ####### they have to tote along about being outcasts in their own homeland.

Ya they have it real bad up here. Free medical, dental, and optical, free housing, food, subsistence rights, jobs where they get paid very well for just showing up and breathing, free schools, free college,free medical centers, no interest loans, annual native corporation dividend checks, etc...

Edited March 2, 2012 by Why_Me

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