New York police monitored Muslim students at Rutgers University, other colleges

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Snip: Stupid quote.

Osama Bin Laden came from a RICH family...Just Saying, you know

Wikipedia

Osama bin Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden was born in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia,[15] a son of Mohammed bin Awad bin Laden, a billionaire construction magnate with close ties to the Saudi royal family,[16]

That's the best you can do? Specious reasoning and impenetrable sophistry at worst to justify a position that strains the bounds of credulity. Stupidity on parade and you're the star attraction. Osama bin Laden was a USC, was he? Didn't think so! I don't know, so perhaps you'd like to explain this one. Being a rich Muslim makes you a terrorist? It's OK to be a poor cab driver or convenience store employee, though. I see. The quote from Charles is a valid one, your criticism, isn't.

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That's the best you can do? Specious reasoning and impenetrable sophistry at worst to justify a position that strains the bounds of credulity. Stupidity on parade and you're the star attraction. Osama bin Laden was a USC, was he? Didn't think so! I don't know, so perhaps you'd like to explain this one. Being a rich Muslim makes you a terrorist? It's OK to be a poor cab driver or convenience store employee, though. I see. The quote from Charles is a valid one, your criticism, isn't.

I wasn't commenting on Charles' post. I was commenting about the quote from Danish Munir, that is contained in Charles' post. Perhaps you should learn how to read before you snap to judgement. I did like the big words you used though, actually had to look several of them up...

Oh, and please vote on my post so I can get a star...

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That's the best you can do? Specious reasoning and impenetrable sophistry at worst to justify a position that strains the bounds of credulity. Stupidity on parade and you're the star attraction. Osama bin Laden was a USC, was he? Didn't think so! I don't know, so perhaps you'd like to explain this one. Being a rich Muslim makes you a terrorist? It's OK to be a poor cab driver or convenience store employee, though. I see. The quote from Charles is a valid one, your criticism, isn't.

Oh and BTW, did I say the dearly departed OBL was a USC? Did I say being a rich Muslim makes you a terrorist? Since you obviously misinterpreted my post, perhaps you should look up a big word to apologize

Also, Who said anything about cab drivers and convenience store clerks???

Your kitty must be drunk again...oopps, Just kidding, tell your kitty not to get offended..Thanks

[sandinista! 1,816]

Surely the guys going on rafting trips and keeping track of how many times a day other rafters pray, or the guys farting around on the Internet reading MSA blogs didn't work for free. How much money was spent on this rubbish? How many real criminal acts could have been prevented by using these resources in a legitimate manner? How many convicted rapists could have been kept in prison instead of let out early because of budgeting issues, with the money spent stalking people for no legitimate reason?

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

I wasn't commenting on Charles' post. I was commenting about the quote from Danish Munir, that is contained in Charles' post. Perhaps you should learn how to read before you snap to judgement. I did like the big words you used though, actually had to look several of them up...

Oh, and please vote on my post so I can get a star...

Why do you aspire to bring back the Court of Star Chamber? I'm so glad that know how to use a dictionary, while you're at it look up the word arrogation, tergiversate, obfuscate and obtuse. Since you like to go on witch hunts, the 4th Amendment to the Constitution of The United States of America might also help. If I need lessons in reading, I'll get them from someone who doesn't have to sound out the big words.

[sandinista! 1,816]

I knew a bunch of MSA kids at Rutgers. Most of them were normal. Some of them were freakin' scary... totally radicalized and nutty.. unable to hold a normal (for 18-22 year olds) conversation.

Switch MSA kids and Rutgers for hipsters and Portland, I've had the same experiences, go figure...

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Oh and BTW, did I say the dearly departed OBL was a USC? Did I say being a rich Muslim makes you a terrorist? Since you obviously misinterpreted my post, perhaps you should look up a big word to apologize

Also, Who said anything about cab drivers and convenience store clerks???

Your kitty must be drunk again...oopps, Just kidding, tell your kitty not to get offended..Thanks

I hate to break it to you but innuendo isn't an Italian suppository but it sounds like someone isn't getting enough fiber in their diet. You made a bald assertion comparing the financial status of the Bin Laden family to the comment by Danish Munir and openly mocked his statement about good Muslim families and their children. That is faulty on so many levels that it not only speaks to your absolute ignorance of the subject but strips your facade of any legitimacy you may have ever enjoyed. Here's the quote again and for your edification, what do Muslim students at Penn have to do with Osama bin Laden? Both are Muslim, both are from well-to-do families, that's good enough to violate their civil rights. Them Islamis shouldn't be in our Ivy League schools, they be lurnin' stuff that they shoodunt let them drive them cabs and work in the 7-11 where they sell dictionaries and vodka to dangerous ideologues who have radical axes to grind. When you finally finish dancing with St. Vitus might I suggest that you re-read the quote and I won't wait for your apology, that's a favourable indulgence on my part for the less fortunate.

Danish Munir, an alumnus adviser for the University of Pennsylvania's Muslim Student Association, said he believes police are wasting their time by watching college students. "What do they expect to find here?" Munir said. "These are all kids coming from rich families or good families, and they're just trying to make a living, have a good career, have a good college experience. It's a futile allocation of resources."

Edited February 21, 2012 by IR5FORMUMSIE

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Surely the guys going on rafting trips and keeping track of how many times a day other rafters pray, or the guys farting around on the Internet reading MSA blogs didn't work for free. How much money was spent on this rubbish? How many real criminal acts could have been prevented by using these resources in a legitimate manner? How many convicted rapists could have been kept in prison instead of let out early because of budgeting issues, with the money spent stalking people for no legitimate reason?

This is what I was wondering about. The NYPD department has so much extra funding they can waste money and manpower in this way. The one thing no one seems to have noticed is the part of the CIA helping. Why the CIA? The FBI is no surprise as they have a history of abusing the constitution and surveying U.S. citizens. The CIA is nor supposed to spy domestically.

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This is what I was wondering about. The NYPD department has so much extra funding they can waste money and manpower in this way. The one thing no one seems to have noticed is the part of the CIA helping. Why the CIA? The FBI is no surprise as they have a history of abusing the constitution and surveying U.S. citizens. The CIA is nor supposed to spy domestically.

C'mon, the company, please don't get me started.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Source, please! Of course, gross violations of the Constitution of The United States of America and the civil rights of Muslims and other groups is OK?

The source is in the OP. Read it again and then come back with the snarky comments.

The rafters are hardly the first innocents to ever be investigated, and logging investigations is common police procedure, all of which adds up to the OP being much ado about nothing.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

The source is in the OP. Read it again and then come back with the snarky comments.

The rafters are hardly the first innocents to ever be investigated, and logging investigations is common police procedure, all of which adds up to the OP being much ado about nothing.

This is The United States of America, not some Third-World dictatorship/ police state where citizens have no rights, better go back and read the Constitution. If you can't wrap you head around that piece of information then perhaps upholding the Constitution means nothing to you. The shot heard 'round the World? Cotton must have been blocking your ears. I got an idea, why don't you have the NYPD follow you around everywhere, note everything you and put it in a big file. Violate your 4th Amendment rights at the very least. i wonder what we'd find? Were you born in the US? Where were your parents born? You don't want to uphold the Constitution so you must be a subversive element, trying to overthrow the government. I'm sure we can get to the bottom of this, we'll just monitor all your activities, from now on. We'll just save the taxpayer the trouble of a trial and deport you to whatever Banana Republic suites your taste. May GOD Bless America and may GOD have mercy on your soul, because the NYPD won't.

[Harsh_77 718]

I don't recall scores of Catholics being spied on when Andres Serrano had, and continues to have death threats made against him, or military guys after Ted Rall got death threats for an anti military cartoon he drew though.

making death threats and hacking someones arms or killing someone are complete different thing.

[Dakine10 5,452]

making death threats and hacking someones arms or killing someone are complete different thing.

Ahh the famous Rutgers arm hacking incident. What a shame. Schizophrenics everywhere have been talking about that one.

[TBoneTX 45,580]

What does the Fifth Amendment have to do with this?

Part of an answer is here:

"nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

The Fourth & Fifth Amendments intersect in some ways.

[sandinista! 1,816]

Ahh the famous Rutgers arm hacking incident. What a shame. Schizophrenics everywhere have been talking about that one.

I wonder how many white male college students are being stalked and spied on after Jared Loughner murdered 6 people and put a bullet through the brain of a US congresswoman. Or how many rafting trips with white guys are being infiltrated, or white guy blogs are getting read under police order and at police expense...