Didnt met my fiancee in the last two years

[brian_n_phuong 193]

I said basically impossible (the key word being "basically") and then outlined how hard it is. I didn't say it WAS impossible. I said it "basically" was, which is like saying "it may as well be".

Sort of like saying your basically pregnant? or that Bill Clinton didn't really have sex?

[gland 5]

just give me an idea that is it possible AS IN OUR CASE we met online, and then filed the case, never met ion person .she was not willing to come to pakistan and i just kept it on apropriate method insted aplying for a visit first and then K1 NS SO ON

You must follow all the instructions. If they say you have to have met then you have to do it. This process is difficult. there are no short cuts.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

just give me an idea that is it possible AS IN OUR CASE we met online, and then filed the case, never met ion person .she was not willing to come to pakistan and i just kept it on apropriate method insted aplying for a visit first and then K1 NS SO ON

You must meet in person. Your petition will be denied. Meet in person (anywhere, does not have to be in Pakistan) and re-file.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

i dont have attorny i am doing everything by self, i do research to find things. here are some resones i have sent to immigration

Subject: Explanation of reasons causing Extreme Hardships

I, do hereby state that we met each other using an online matrimonial channel. It was good day of 15th June 2011. We started knowing each other for a good time and eventually I finally filed the petition. However, there were some critical reasons that would caused me hardships if I went to meet______ in Pakistan.

1- I am a new revert and learning about Islam. As I have lived all my life in US I fear that I would be unable to cope with the culture and values of country entirely new for me. _____knows English but his mother specially, don’t so language also a barrier to get with the rest of family if in case I would have visited Pakistan.

2- As explained by (the religious leader) that living together before marriage is not allowed, it is somehow restriction from the religion. As we have decided to celebrate our marriage here in US we will definitely, as soon as practicable, arrange the marriage on____ arrival. (Letter Attached)

3- Another important factor as I have already mentioned in my application in supporting documents page title off course during our discussion I expressed my thoughts to Asim that “I am happy that you are willing to relocate leaving my family was a big issue for me”. I was talking about either a visit or a relocation. Because I have a two and half year old son out of a relationship before I revert. Leaving my son is like someone puling out my soul

4-

My mother does not want me to visit outside the US and as I love my mother too much I can not go against her will. (Reasons already explained in her letter)

5- I am studying at _______College. By the time I filed the application, it was my term time, which would have caused disruption in my studies if I had left half way through. I am running through my classes and not intending any activity that prevent me to continue my studies smoothly.(Document Attached)

Finally I cannot wait to give my would be a warm welcome, to meet once and forever. I would be grateful if you allow to proceed so that we can start and live our life together.

Waste of time and money. Meet. Then file.

ANY OTHER WAY will cost more and take longer. A waiver for meeting is virtually impossible (but no doubt someone always has to mention it for some odd reason)to get and what religion in Pakistan forbids the two people from seeing each other in person before getting married? How will you come to the US and marry her if you cannot see her first? The entire idea is preposterous. If that is the religious requirement (it isn't) then you would be best tofollow the CR-1 path, not K-1.

[sara..... 371]

You have to have met in person.......most from Pakistan have a very hard time getting visa to go to any other country so she will have to bite the bullet and travel to Pakistan.......

I am Muslim and have lived in Pakistan there is nothing there religiously that does not allow the couple to meet before marriage so a waiver for that will never work.......even with all the violence that is going on in Pakistan it is not good enough reason for never to have met....your family can keep her safe there are many that travel to Pakistan to meet their life partner so that they can satisfy that issue for petition approval

sara

[brian_n_phuong 193]

Waste of time and money. Meet. Then file.

ANY OTHER WAY will cost more and take longer. A waiver for meeting is virtually impossible (but no doubt someone always has to mention it for some odd reason)to get and what religion in Pakistan forbids the two people from seeing each other in person before getting married? How will you come to the US and marry her if you cannot see her first? The entire idea is preposterous. If that is the religious requirement (it isn't) then you would be best tofollow the CR-1 path, not K-1.

I agree with Gary, spot on advice !

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

The senior members here are aware of this apparent loophole in the regulations but we are also aware that such waivers are almost never granted. There is no strict and long-established custom in Pakistan where the bride and groom are actually prohibited from meeting prior to the wedding day. Such customs are extremely rare and obscure. In cases where they DO exist the couple has to do a lot more than present a few "convincing reasons" for not meeting. They must ACTUALLY establish that any and all other aspects of the traditional arrangements have been or will be met in accordance with the custom or practice they claim applies to them.

Travel to Pakistan is not an issue. To take the hardship route, the couple must demonstrate that they've made every effort to meet in any country to which they both could reasonably arrange travel. (The UAE is good example.)

None of the above applies to this couple. My advice is that the go ahead and presume their petition will be denied and either make the necessary arrangements to meet in person before filing again, or face the fact that without meeting, they will not be together in the USA.

Thank you Puskbrk

People who try to create some sort of hope for a person attempting to avoid the requirements are NOT doing them a service and I wish they would cease and desist such nonsense. It is virtually impossible to get the waiver on religious requirements for one simple reason. You are saying you cannot meet in person before marriage, yet you are applying for a visa to DO JUST THAT!

Any person forbidden from seeing the other in person would best be served religiously by getting married in their home country and filing a CR-1

These are silly excuses. Spring break is coming, get a babysitter and go to Pakistan. Sheeesh.

The only such waivers I have ever seen are for medical harship and only after the foreign beneficiary was denied for tourist visas to the US.

I suggest people stop giving false hopes to others because of some obscure boiler plate language in the law which exists mainly to respect some obscure religion that may exist.

Edited February 20, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[brian_n_phuong 193]

Thank you Puskbrk

People who try to create some sort of hope for a person attempting to avoid the requirements are NOT doing them a service and I wish they would cease and desist such nonsense. It is virtually impossible to get the waiver on religious requirements for one simple reason. You are saying you cannot meet in person before marriage, yet you are applying for a visa to DO JUST THAT!

Any person forbidden from seeing the other in person would best be served religiously by getting married in their home country and filing a CR-1

These are silly excuses. Spring break is coming, get a babysitter and go to Pakistan. Sheeesh.

The only such waivers I have ever seen are for medical harship and only after the foreign beneficiary was denied for tourist visas to the US.

I suggest people stop giving false hopes to others because of some obscure boiler plate language in the law which exists mainly to respect some obscure religion that may exist.

I agreee with Gary, those people need to stop!

[cdneh 3,112]

I read in the last week or two here on VJ, that in long memory there have been only two or so successful waivers for having not met. One was a bedridden man who obviously could not travel, and who's fiancee tried 5 times to get a visitors visa and was denied. The other was a member of some very small religious sect, who don't permit couples to meet first, even with a chaperone.

Pretty difficult criteria to meet. Puskbrk is correct, and you need to take heed of his advice.

[Hank_ 9,174]

i dont have attorny i am doing everything by self, i do research to find things. here are some resones i have sent to immigration

Subject: Explanation of reasons causing Extreme Hardships

I, do hereby state that we met each other using an online matrimonial channel. It was good day of 15th June 2011. We started knowing each other for a good time and eventually I finally filed the petition. However, there were some critical reasons that would caused me hardships if I went to meet______ in Pakistan.

1- I am a new revert and learning about Islam. As I have lived all my life in US I fear that I would be unable to cope with the culture and values of country entirely new for me. _____knows English but his mother specially, don't so language also a barrier to get with the rest of family if in case I would have visited Pakistan.

2- As explained by (the religious leader) that living together before marriage is not allowed, it is somehow restriction from the religion. As we have decided to celebrate our marriage here in US we will definitely, as soon as practicable, arrange the marriage on____ arrival. (Letter Attached)

3- Another important factor as I have already mentioned in my application in supporting documents page title off course during our discussion I expressed my thoughts to Asim that "I am happy that you are willing to relocate leaving my family was a big issue for me". I was talking about either a visit or a relocation. Because I have a two and half year old son out of a relationship before I revert. Leaving my son is like someone puling out my soul

4-

My mother does not want me to visit outside the US and as I love my mother too much I can not go against her will. (Reasons already explained in her letter)

5- I am studying at _______College. By the time I filed the application, it was my term time, which would have caused disruption in my studies if I had left half way through. I am running through my classes and not intending any activity that prevent me to continue my studies smoothly.(Document Attached)

Finally I cannot wait to give my would be a warm welcome, to meet once and forever. I would be grateful if you allow to proceed so that we can start and live our life together.

- hmmm, not even close, waste of ink and a tree.

I see lots of couples on VJ from Pakistan that have met in person.

All you listed was a lot of person reasons. Like everyone else that does the K-1 petition you are going to have to meet the requirements or not get approved.

[Imagination 15]

just give me an idea that is it possible AS IN OUR CASE we met online, and then filed the case, never met ion person .she was not willing to come to pakistan and i just kept it on apropriate method insted aplying for a visit first and then K1 NS SO ON

Inshallah You will be okay.. Just Include as much evidence as you can to prove that it is not permitted in our religion and culture to see each other before marriage. Get an official letter from a religious leader explaining why you can not meet. (it is forbidden in Islam, but you have to show them that.) It may b tough, but dont give up. dont let anyone discourage you. you have to fight ur case.

[Imagination 15]

Thank you Puskbrk

People who try to create some sort of hope for a person attempting to avoid the requirements are NOT doing them a service and I wish they would cease and desist such nonsense. It is virtually impossible to get the waiver on religious requirements for one simple reason. You are saying you cannot meet in person before marriage, yet you are applying for a visa to DO JUST THAT!

Any person forbidden from seeing the other in person would best be served religiously by getting married in their home country and filing a CR-1

These are silly excuses. Spring break is coming, get a babysitter and go to Pakistan. Sheeesh.

The only such waivers I have ever seen are for medical harship and only after the foreign beneficiary was denied for tourist visas to the US.

I suggest people stop giving false hopes to others because of some obscure boiler plate language in the law which exists mainly to respect some obscure religion that may exist.

Visa to "visit" is different from visa to get married! Either she goes to pakistan to get married to him, or he comes to the US to get married to her. Visa to pakistan is as much difficult to get as US visa. They have to do something! and you MOCK the law!

To the OP, Dont get discouraged. It is worth a try. You must fight your case and prove it, in order to get the waiver.

[mari&Ryan 93]

[S_R 148]

yes there were resones for not meeting in person. religious and social

Several couples have gone through Islamabad US embassy in Pakistan & so they will surely know if your case/reasons hold water. If it's the cultural norm then you may be fine otherwise $340 just went down the USCIS drain pipe.

[EAbbas 213]

Visa to pakistan is as much difficult to get as US visa.

Umm.. not an expert by any means but I printed the form off the pakistan embassy website, sent my letters of support from my husbands family, showed I have ties to USA and a letter of employment etc.. showed my drivers license copy and sent my passport with these docs to the Pakistan embassy with the form for a visit visa... 2 weeks later after sending I received my passport with stamp approved for my visa. No interview, no phone call nothing.. so how is that difficult by any means?

Edited February 20, 2012 by EAbbas