Didnt met my fiancee in the last two years

[brian_n_phuong 193]

You will have to me, and it does't have to be in your country, you can chose another location that is safer for her and reachable for you.

Thats not the problem! They stated they cant meet due to religious restrictions.

There is a waiver available, read my previous post.

[awsome ali 0]

Great ! Does your petitioner have an immigration attorney, and was the waiver sent with the Petition?

Waivers are extremely difficult to get approved, but it is possible if you have theproper documentation. An attorney would be a good idea since this would be a difficult thing to attempt on your own.

i dont have attorny i am doing everything by self, i do research to find things. here are some resones i have sent to immigration

Subject: Explanation of reasons causing Extreme Hardships

I, do hereby state that we met each other using an online matrimonial channel. It was good day of 15th June 2011. We started knowing each other for a good time and eventually I finally filed the petition. However, there were some critical reasons that would caused me hardships if I went to meet______ in Pakistan.

1- I am a new revert and learning about Islam. As I have lived all my life in US I fear that I would be unable to cope with the culture and values of country entirely new for me. _____knows English but his mother specially, don’t so language also a barrier to get with the rest of family if in case I would have visited Pakistan.

2- As explained by (the religious leader) that living together before marriage is not allowed, it is somehow restriction from the religion. As we have decided to celebrate our marriage here in US we will definitely, as soon as practicable, arrange the marriage on____ arrival. (Letter Attached)

3- Another important factor as I have already mentioned in my application in supporting documents page title off course during our discussion I expressed my thoughts to Asim that “I am happy that you are willing to relocate leaving my family was a big issue for me”. I was talking about either a visit or a relocation. Because I have a two and half year old son out of a relationship before I revert. Leaving my son is like someone puling out my soul

4-

My mother does not want me to visit outside the US and as I love my mother too much I can not go against her will. (Reasons already explained in her letter)

5- I am studying at _______College. By the time I filed the application, it was my term time, which would have caused disruption in my studies if I had left half way through. I am running through my classes and not intending any activity that prevent me to continue my studies smoothly.(Document Attached)

Finally I cannot wait to give my would be a warm welcome, to meet once and forever. I would be grateful if you allow to proceed so that we can start and live our life together.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

That is not correct :

I said basically impossible (the key word being "basically") and then outlined how hard it is. I didn't say it WAS impossible. I said it "basically" was, which is like saying "it may as well be".

[VanessaTony 3,567]

1- I am a new revert and learning about Islam. As I have lived all my life in US I fear that I would be unable to cope with the culture and values of country entirely new for me. _____knows English but his mother specially, don’t so language also a barrier to get with the rest of family if in case I would have visited Pakistan.

2- As explained by (the religious leader) that living together before marriage is not allowed, it is somehow restriction from the religion. As we have decided to celebrate our marriage here in US we will definitely, as soon as practicable, arrange the marriage on____ arrival. (Letter Attached)

3- Another important factor as I have already mentioned in my application in supporting documents page title off course during our discussion I expressed my thoughts to Asim that “I am happy that you are willing to relocate leaving my family was a big issue for me”. I was talking about either a visit or a relocation. Because I have a two and half year old son out of a relationship before I revert. Leaving my son is like someone puling out my soul

4- My mother does not want me to visit outside the US and as I love my mother too much I can not go against her will. (Reasons already explained in her letter)

5- I am studying at _______College. By the time I filed the application, it was my term time, which would have caused disruption in my studies if I had left half way through. I am running through my classes and not intending any activity that prevent me to continue my studies smoothly.(Document Attached)

None of those reasons are good enough.

1. Language barrier isn't an issue because YOU should be with her an speaking the same language as her. If you don't share a common language that is an issue that is sometimes raised at the K1 interview

2. Visiting before marriage isn't the same as living together. You could have a chaperone (some people do that). She could stay in a hotel/motel

3. Isn't a hardship.

4. Your mothers "will" doesn't matter. Your mothers will doesn't make it impossible to meet.

5. Studies are irrelevant. You could have waited to file after your next break in studies.

[pushbrk 12,569]

That is not correct :

Pursuant to 8 C.F.R. 5 214.2(k)(2), the petitioner may be exempted from this requirement for a meeting if it is established that compliance would: (1) result in extreme hardship to the petitioner; or (2) that compliance would violate strict and long-established customs of the beneficiary's foreign culture or social practice, as where marriages are traditionally arranged by the parents of the contracting parties and the prospective bride and groom are prohibited from meeting subsequent to the arrangement and prior to the wedding day. In addition to establishing that the required meeting would be a violation of custom or practice, the petitioner must also establish that any and all other aspects of the traditional arrangements have been or will be met in accordance with the custom or practice.

The senior members here are aware of this apparent loophole in the regulations but we are also aware that such waivers are almost never granted. There is no strict and long-established custom in Pakistan where the bride and groom are actually prohibited from meeting prior to the wedding day. Such customs are extremely rare and obscure. In cases where they DO exist the couple has to do a lot more than present a few "convincing reasons" for not meeting. They must ACTUALLY establish that any and all other aspects of the traditional arrangements have been or will be met in accordance with the custom or practice they claim applies to them.

Travel to Pakistan is not an issue. To take the hardship route, the couple must demonstrate that they've made every effort to meet in any country to which they both could reasonably arrange travel. (The UAE is good example.)

None of the above applies to this couple. My advice is that the go ahead and presume their petition will be denied and either make the necessary arrangements to meet in person before filing again, or face the fact that without meeting, they will not be together in the USA.

[EAbbas 213]

I agree with vanessa and tony and pushbrk

i had all those reasons too but i still left for pakistan beccause my husband was worth the effort and in reality while there is danger i was quite safe its all in how you do things. I didnt stay in a hotel but with his sister and brother in law..he stayed there after marriage... how else can one immerse themself into a family if they dont meet or know them? Had the most wonderful time, lovely people and city did so many wonderful things... where else can one send down a basket for some fresh fruit and have ppl put the fruit back sending it up?

Islamabad is very strict with their guidelines and follow those to the letter of the law. Wish you the best but traveling to another country if she wont visit pakistan was probably the best option and there are places you can go easily as well.

Edited February 20, 2012 by EAbbas

[Moomin 292]

This basically explains not living under same roof before marriage and hard for you to go to Pakistan. It doesn't explain why it is impossible to meet in person in the US. You have to over why you can not see each other in person, not just why you can't travel.

I traveled to the US, my husband has never been to my country.

Be careful using financial reasons for not meeting. You will be the sponsor later on.

i dont have attorny i am doing everything by self, i do research to find things. here are some resones i have sent to immigration

Subject: Explanation of reasons causing Extreme Hardships

I, do hereby state that we met each other using an online matrimonial channel. It was good day of 15th June 2011. We started knowing each other for a good time and eventually I finally filed the petition. However, there were some critical reasons that would caused me hardships if I went to meet______ in Pakistan.

1- I am a new revert and learning about Islam. As I have lived all my life in US I fear that I would be unable to cope with the culture and values of country entirely new for me. _____knows English but his mother specially, don’t so language also a barrier to get with the rest of family if in case I would have visited Pakistan.

2- As explained by (the religious leader) that living together before marriage is not allowed, it is somehow restriction from the religion. As we have decided to celebrate our marriage here in US we will definitely, as soon as practicable, arrange the marriage on____ arrival. (Letter Attached)

3- Another important factor as I have already mentioned in my application in supporting documents page title off course during our discussion I expressed my thoughts to Asim that “I am happy that you are willing to relocate leaving my family was a big issue for me”. I was talking about either a visit or a relocation. Because I have a two and half year old son out of a relationship before I revert. Leaving my son is like someone puling out my soul

4-

My mother does not want me to visit outside the US and as I love my mother too much I can not go against her will. (Reasons already explained in her letter)

5- I am studying at _______College. By the time I filed the application, it was my term time, which would have caused disruption in my studies if I had left half way through. I am running through my classes and not intending any activity that prevent me to continue my studies smoothly.(Document Attached)

Finally I cannot wait to give my would be a warm welcome, to meet once and forever. I would be grateful if you allow to proceed so that we can start and live our life together.

[awsome ali 0]

This basically explains not living under same roof before marriage and hard for you to go to Pakistan. It doesn't explain why it is impossible to meet in person in the US. You have to over why you can not see each other in person, not just why you can't travel.

I traveled to the US, my husband has never been to my country.

Be careful using financial reasons for not meeting. You will be the sponsor later on.

ever one of you, thanksssssssssssssssssss a lottttttttttttt

evry one coment is against to what i did, but at least i am knowing , and to plan next step

i was intrested to file a vistor aplication in pakistan but they have tonnes of question to know the intention, so that is why i took a time taking path so that it should be through a processes.

if she is not intrested to come here then i have to go, if the only option is my flight then why i take risk of being a visotr, i thouht i would be more comfortable with proper stamp on the pasport that is K1 visitor , not the ordinary one

Edited February 20, 2012 by awsome ali

[awsome ali 0]

i was intrested to file a vistor aplication in pakistan but they have tonnes of question to know the intention, so that is why i took a time taking path so that it should be through a processes.

if she is not intrested to come here then i have to go, if the only option is my flight then why i take risk of being a visotr, i thouht i would be more comfortable with proper stamp on the pasport that is K1 visitor , not the ordinary one

[Shoot Em Straight 385]

I, do hereby state that we met each other using an online matrimonial channel. It was good day of 15th June 2011. We started knowing each other for a good time and eventually I finally filed the petition. However, there were some critical reasons that would caused me hardships if I went to meet______ in Pakistan.

1- I am a new revert and learning about Islam. As I have lived all my life in US I fear that I would be unable to cope with the culture and values of country entirely new for me. _____knows English but his mother specially, don’t so language also a barrier to get with the rest of family if in case I would have visited Pakistan.

2- As explained by (the religious leader) that living together before marriage is not allowed, it is somehow restriction from the religion. As we have decided to celebrate our marriage here in US we will definitely, as soon as practicable, arrange the marriage on____ arrival. (Letter Attached)

3- Another important factor as I have already mentioned in my application in supporting documents page title off course during our discussion I expressed my thoughts to Asim that “I am happy that you are willing to relocate leaving my family was a big issue for me”. I was talking about either a visit or a relocation. Because I have a two and half year old son out of a relationship before I revert. Leaving my son is like someone puling out my soul

4-

My mother does not want me to visit outside the US and as I love my mother too much I can not go against her will. (Reasons already explained in her letter)

5- I am studying at _______College. By the time I filed the application, it was my term time, which would have caused disruption in my studies if I had left half way through. I am running through my classes and not intending any activity that prevent me to continue my studies smoothly.(Document Attached)

Finally I cannot wait to give my would be a warm welcome, to meet once and forever. I would be grateful if you allow to proceed so that we can start and live our life together.

I really do wish you good luck...it is sad not to be with the one you love

It was a gallant effort to answer your RFE...BUT as the beneficiary wrote it was for religious reasons???? I think that is the biggest stretch!

Why (as petitioner stated a recently "New Revert") cannot she cover up and travel to Pakistan because of Religion??? I congratulate your new interest in Islam and hope you grow in this peaceful religion...but it is not against Allah to visit a country. Buy a hijab.,Stay in a hotel. Take a family member. Take your son to meet your future husband and family if it will "pull out your soul". Or wait til your schooling has a break...and get to know your fiance better. You met over the internet last June,the RFE might be doing you both a favor to force a meeting and/or have a test of time....to learn each other more. God works in his own ways.

For true love.... all 5 reasons would never keep you apart....but please dont use Islam as a reason. I found this a little twisting of the true blessings from Allah's words to us.

pushbrk.... said just what you need to hear.....My advice is that the go ahead and presume their petition will be denied and either make the necessary arrangements to meet in person before filing again, or face the fact that without meeting, they will not be together in the USA.

Good luck to you both

[JP and Tee 13]

Where there is a will, there is a way. If she cannot come to Pakistan, then perhaps both of you can travel to another country to meet there instead?

[baron555 934]

yes there were resones for not meeting in person. religious and social

The visa will not be granted. You do not meet the waiver criteria. Think of something else.

[pushbrk 12,569]

The visa will not be granted. You do not meet the waiver criteria. Think of something else.

It's the petition approval that will not be granted. No visa has been or will be even applied for until a petition is approved. Petitions are not visa applications.

[Canadian in GA 34]

This person is gung ho on what they are going to do. let them learn the lesson, and do what is next when they get denied. only they can learn from their mistakes.

i also see they met June 2011, isn't that a little quick, not meeting in person?they will see that as well.

Good luck.

[brian_n_phuong 193]

None of the above applies to this couple. My advice is that the go ahead and presume their petition will be denied and either make the necessary arrangements to meet in person before filing again, or face the fact that without meeting, they will not be together in the USA.

Several people have taken my post OUT OF CONTEXT, or never bother to read all the entries. I clearly stated and advised the OP that the waiver is difficult to impossible. The OP's English skills were extremely limited and he gave conflicting answers to my questions. He later indicated that there were religious reasons as to why he couldn't meet his fiancée. My only advice to him was that a waiver was possible (opposed to others that just said it not possible period). I also advised him to seek help from an attorney; my intention being that the attorney could sort through this mess, look at the FACTS and decide if it's even applicable or worth a long shot.

After I posted that info the OP returned and posted something that contradicted what he earlier told me! Well yes, my earlier statement looked completely skewed at that point, but again the validity of my advice has to be taken in the context of what I knew at the time.

My point: I think my advice was reasonable. I ONLY advised him that it is extremely difficult, but possible in certain circumstances (a fact). I also advised him to seek the advice of an attorney because of the difficulty (responsible advice). Yes, I am aware that it is loophole, probably not applicable in his situation, but feel we should give posters all the options (with a disclaimer) and let them decide ( and in this case with the help of an attorney who can sort through the real facts)

Edited February 20, 2012 by brian_n_phuong