BIG MSTAKE!

[pushbrk 13,173]

No, the paper we used to file the G-325A was issued one week before the final divorce, and at when we filed the petition we thinked that it was the right one. it's 3 weeks after we sent the petition that we found the right divorce decree in his documents. it's why i was asking if we can send it now than waiting for the RFE .

The first answer I gave you is the correct one. It won't hurt to send it now but it probably won't help. As long as you have an actual certified copy of the divorce decree for a divorce that became final BEFORE the petition was filed, the worst case is that you get an RFE, respond and move on.

You will provide a PHOTOCOPY of the CERTIFIED COPY of the final divorce decree. Keep the actual certified copy for your own records. USCIS doesn't need it.

[pushbrk 13,173]

I agree, I am glad you articulated that. I just think if a person is expressing an Opinion, they should state that (myself included).

Opinions are guesses are not the same animal but wrong advice helps nobody. When you don't really know for sure, it's best to wait and read the correct answer instead of rushing to give the wrong one.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

The first answer I gave you is the correct one. It won't hurt to send it now but it probably won't help. As long as you have an actual certified copy of the divorce decree for a divorce that became final BEFORE the petition was filed, the worst case is that you get an RFE, respond and move on.

You will provide a PHOTOCOPY of the CERTIFIED COPY of the final divorce decree. Keep the actual certified copy for your own records. USCIS doesn't need it.

You are exactly correct about the copies.

Keep the originals though as we were specifically requested and provided the orignals for Alla's citizenship interview. They wanted to see the orginal and keep a copy even though we had sent copies with the application. They just looked at them and gave them back. DO NOT lose the originals.

[pushbrk 13,173]

Lets all be friends again. Besides, I know your address. LOL

Not sure whose address you think you have but NOBODY has MY address. I mean NOBODY. That's because I am currently homeless, while moving to another state. We own a home in China but I couldn't even tell you that address because we don't live there yet, don't even have the keys to the place yet because the building isn't released yet. All our stuff is in storage while we spend a couple months visiting the relatives in China.

Ya'll sleep well now. It's about time for Lunch in China.

[Tim/Mav 305]

I'm happy to be a Member here. The closest Comedy Club is a n Hour Drive.

[Tim/Mav 305]

Not sure whose address you think you have but NOBODY has MY address. I mean NOBODY. That's because I am currently homeless, while moving to another state. We own a home in China but I couldn't even tell you that address because we don't live there yet, don't even have the keys to the place yet because the building isn't released yet. All our stuff is in storage while we spend a couple months visiting the relatives in China.

Ya'll sleep well now. It's about time for Lunch in China.

A Sense of Humor is a terrible thing to waste. Whats For Lunch? Really ! Whats for Lunch.

[pushbrk 13,173]

You are exactly correct about the copies.

Keep the originals though as we were specifically requested and provided the orignals for Alla's citizenship interview. They wanted to see the orginal and keep a copy even though we had sent copies with the application. They just looked at them and gave them back. DO NOT lose the originals.

As an aside, I think it's always good to carry the originals to each and every interview. Ours are all kept together in one accordion folder so they can simply be picked up and carried whenever needed. We're probably done though, short of citizenship for my wife. Maybe in a few more years, we'll consider it but after 4 years of LPR status, we've never seen any advantage in our situation. Our daughter is likely to pursue citizenship soon though.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Denial would only occur for a wrong divorce decree if the petition was filed before the divorce was final. Otherwise, there would definitely be a request for the proper documentation before any final decision.

The Final Order of Divorce (or the Decree Absolute, or whatever it may be called in a jurisdiction) is what makes a divorce final.

I am unaware of any other document the OP could have sent that the Service would mistake for a Final Order.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

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from my personal experience, my husband was divorced twice before our marriage. One of his divorce decrees was a single page copied from the official register from the State of Texas. The second was a signed but un-sealed, un-stamped several page document detailing the terms of the divorce and granting the divorce. We sent in copies of the divorce papers for the K-1 and again for my Naturalization application. I brought the originals with me to the appropriate interviews. At my K-1 interview, the adjudicator asked to see the originals and conferred with colleagues because one of the documents was of a type unfamiliar to him. They determined it to be allowable because it had original signatures. It seems that every state has its own type of divorce document and they can differ greatly. It sounds like you did submit the incorrect document. Since they have not received a proper divorce decree, they will send you an RFE for that document. You will need to return the RFE letter with the proper document when you receive it. That will return the document to the actual adjudicator who is working on your file. Until it reaches someone's desk there will be no way for any documents you send separately to be matched up to the original package. That is why it is best for you to wait for the RFE. If you send it back by return mail it will only cause a delay of a week or so. When you do get the RFE you know that your application is actually on someone's desk being processed and will continue to be processed once they receive the missing documentation.

You mentioned that there were time constraints? You do realize that it may take some time for your visa to be processed in the best of circumstances? Please don't make any sort of wedding plans until you have your visa in hand or you may be sadly disappointed.

Edited February 13, 2012 by Kathryn41

[Kathryn41 3,205]

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The Final Order of Divorce (or the Decree Absolute, or whatever it may be called in a jurisdiction) is what makes a divorce final.

I am unaware of any other document the OP could have sent that the Service would mistake for a Final Order.

The OP posted the following:

The one we sent first was a page with nothing write there as "divorce decree" one thing is sure it was not the divorce decree, it had no stamp, no signature, no seal, a paper saying that the divorce will be pronounced after the presentation of some document. and the one we found now is a final divorce decree, 4 pages, with signature of the judge, but still has no stamp and no seal.

Acceptable parts of the last removed post are returned below, edited.

There have been loads of people on VisaJourney who have been helpful through the years. You do the occasional good turn yourself.

I realize that where accuracy is concerned, nice doesn't really count for anything. I think people are more willing to accept an unpleasant answer if it's tempered with courtesy.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

several posts containing inappropriate comments have been removed.

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from my personal experience, my husband was divorced twice before our marriage. One of his divorce decrees was a single page copied from the official register from the State of Texas. The second was a signed but un-sealed, un-stamped several page document detailing the terms of the divorce and granting the divorce. We sent in copies of the divorce papers for the K-1 and again for my Naturalization application. I brought the originals with me to the appropriate interviews. At my K-1 interview, the adjudicator asked to see the originals and conferred with colleagues because one of the documents was of a type unfamiliar to him. They determined it to be allowable because it had original signatures. It seems that every state has its own type of divorce document and they can differ greatly. It sounds like you did submit the incorrect document. Since they have not received a proper divorce decree, they will send you an RFE for that document. You will need to return the RFE letter with the proper document when you receive it. That will return the document to the actual adjudicator who is working on your file. Until it reaches someone's desk there will be no way for any documents you send separately to be matched up to the original package. That is why it is best for you to wait for the RFE. If you send it back by return mail it will only cause a delay of a week or so. When you do get the RFE you know that your application is actually on someone's desk being processed and will continue to be processed once they receive the missing documentation.

You mentioned that there were time constraints? You do realize that it may take some time for your visa to be processed in the best of circumstances? Please don't make any sort of wedding plans until you have your visa in hand or you may be sadly disappointed.

OP is just as likely to get a denial for failure to prove they are free to marry.

Best to anticipate the worst and be happy if something better occurs.

Case in point linked below:

http://www.pcurtislaw.com/immigration-law-forum/k1-fiance-visas/filing-i-130-after-k1-visa-denial

Edited February 13, 2012 by Rebecca Jo

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

As an aside, I think it's always good to carry the originals to each and every interview. Ours are all kept together in one accordion folder so they can simply be picked up and carried whenever needed. We're probably done though, short of citizenship for my wife. Maybe in a few more years, we'll consider it but after 4 years of LPR status, we've never seen any advantage in our situation. Our daughter is likely to pursue citizenship soon though.

Citizenship is an option of course. Advantages to us are that we travel alot and Alla would dearly love to be able to jump off the plane in Amsterdam, Munich, Verona or Paris and just wave her US passport as she goes through customs and not deal with visas. Another is that she may be pursuing teaching English in foreign countries, such as Brazil where I could lay on the beach while she teaches and they almost always require US citizenship for this, PLUS we may decide to live outside the US for a few years and do not want to worry about permanent residence status. A couple if her friends, now citizens, have work as tranlators/analysts for various government agencies and such requires citizenship and she is also considering this. US citizenship offers the most in opportunity for our children

The ONE thing she does not consider an advantage is voting.

It is definitely a personal decision

Edited February 13, 2012 by Gary and Alla

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Citizenship is an option of course. Advantages to us are that we travel alot and Alla would dearly love to be able to jump off the plane in Amsterdam, Munich, Verona or Paris and just wave her US passport as she goes through customs and not deal with visas. Another is that she may be pursuing teaching English in foreign countries, such as Brazil where I could lay on the beach while she teaches and they almost always require US citizenship for this, PLUS we may decide to live outside the US for a few years and do not want to worry about permanent residence status. A couple if her friends, now citizens, have work as tranlators/analysts for various government agencies and such requires citizenship and she is also considering this. US citizenship offers the most in opportunity for our children

The ONE thing she does not consider an advantage is voting.

It is definitely a personal decision

My husband has no desire to naturalize. He will only bother with it when we are filing for my visa to the UK.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

My husband has no desire to naturalize. He will only bother with it when we are filing for my visa to the UK.

A person from the UK or Canada would have little reason. Certainly not for travel benefits and UK people are not likely to be teaching English

People with the travel privileges that are enjoyed by many of us do not realize there is half a world full of people who basically are not welcome elsewhere.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Please return to the subject posted by the OP - discussion about what the OP can expect under the circumstances they have outlined. There is a separate forum for citizenship discussion. Thank you.

Edited February 13, 2012 by Kathryn41