Proof of meeting ? we only have pictures

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

CdnMom- people here are confusing proof of a bona fide relationship with proof of meeting in the past two years. You seem to have a good understanding of the difference.

I would send receipts as proof. Surely either your daughter or her fiance spent some money somewhere across the border. I'd have them look at their bank/debit card statements and see what they can find. If they see each other that often, and you still can't find anything, I'd have one of them spend some money somewhere (like this weekend) and keep the receipt. That should do it. Good luck.

[baron555 934]

I know that pictures are considered secondary proof. Any ideas on what else we can provide?? Does USCIS take into account this kind of situation??? I know they've run into it before. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. They'd like to get this new packet sent off by next weekend.

Thanks so much!

Exactly. Tell them to generate evidence that establishes them together at the same place at the same time. Be creative.

Ask the Border Guards to stamp their passports.

[awkwardsoul 20]

I've flown to the US every 2 months for over 3 years and only got 2 passport stamps.

Did any of them take time off of work for an extended visit/holiday? I used these documents for when I visited US last, but this might work for proof of meeting, but stuff like a vacation request from work (saying I'm visiting my fiance _____ in ______ for my birthday) and schedule showing I'm not at work/letter from work confirming vacation - then add some receipts or credit card bills for that time period?

[Inky 1,110]

Hi everyone. I'm hoping that someone can give us more insight into this dilemma. I posted a question about this last night and now it's disappeared off the board.

My Canadian daughter is engaged to an American fellow. He filed the I-129 back in August. Last week he received a RFE asking for more documentation on their being together in the last 2 years. I'm not sure exactly what he sent in the first time, but I think it was just a few pictures of the two of them, in which he wrote the dates.

Here's our dilemma. We are right on the border and they see eachother pretty much every other weekend. Either he comes here or she goes there. He stays at our home and she stays at his parent's home. When they cross the border, their passports are never stamped, but they are scanned.

So, unfortunately there are no ticket stubs or hotel receipts. The only thing, if we can find any, would be gas receipts.

I know that pictures are considered secondary proof. Any ideas on what else we can provide?? Does USCIS take into account this kind of situation??? I know they've run into it before. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. They'd like to get this new packet sent off by next weekend.

Thanks so much!

Your question is in the Canada section of the forum it has not - disappeared or been removed. You can use your profile to look up your previous posts.

[GandK 168]

I think this works because people have all their friends/family/coworkers etc on their facebook and in theory by putting that you are engaged/in a relationship on your facebook for all these people to see, it makes it less likely that the engagement is just for the visa, since then you'd have family/friends/coworkers going "whos this guy???" lol

I know that he is looking for evidence of having met and not evidence of bone fide relationship but I just want to clarify this

If you log in your FB and update your basic info (where your relationship status is under), there is a privacy option you can make the relationship status only visible to yourself or hide it from specific group of people.

Practically, any info, pictures, posts can be hidden by privacy options. So screenshots can be faked in five minutes.

So again, it doesn't make any sense to me unless of course the immigration officer requests your FB password and go through your FB account which I doubt they would.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

If they see each other that often, and you still can't find anything, I'd have one of them spend some money somewhere (like this weekend) and keep the receipt. That should do it. Good luck.

No it won't. They need evidence that they met in person PRIOR to filing. Getting a receipt now will not help the current RFE.

Exactly. Tell them to generate evidence that establishes them together at the same place at the same time. Be creative.

Ask the Border Guards to stamp their passports.

They've already filed and received an RFE for info. Any evidence created now (passport stamps etc) won't help their current situation.

[Inky 1,110]

take a flight over the border then you have POE and probably have to get stamp

Not likely - its very very very rare to get a stamp when flying or driving from Canada to the USA.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

My Canadian daughter is engaged to an American fellow. He filed the I-129 back in August. Last week he received a RFE asking for more documentation on their being together in the last 2 years. I'm not sure exactly what he sent in the first time, but I think it was just a few pictures of the two of them, in which he wrote the dates.

Here's our dilemma. We are right on the border and they see each other pretty much every other weekend. Either he comes here or she goes there. He stays at our home and she stays at his parent's home. When they cross the border, their passports are never stamped, but they are scanned.

So, unfortunately there are no ticket stubs or hotel receipts. The only thing, if we can find any, would be gas receipts.

I know that pictures are considered secondary proof. Any ideas on what else we can provide?? Does USCIS take into account this kind of situation??? I know they've run into it before. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. They'd like to get this new packet sent off by next weekend.

Personally I would do the following:

- A statement from the both of them about travelling back and forth

- copy of her drivers licence, copy of his drivers licence. Google maps showing distance between those 2 addresses

- Affidavits from her parents and his parents stating that they visit every weekend or whatever it is.

- Any more photos they have from specific events. Say Christmas 2010 (as 2011 christmas was filed already) with the whole family or something

- Bank statements showing paying for gas on either side of the border or any other things paid for with card on the opposite sides of the border (so US costs for Canadian person and vice versa).

- FB printouts for any photos of them together while in each others country and the comments from friends family. Status updates saying they're in each others countries. Those are all timestamped.

Are there any tolls that they go through to get there? If so you could print the statement that shows paying the tolls for those.

Did they attend any events together where they would have receipts or tickets or something? Like movies, or concerts.

Remember this is in the last two years prior to filing. They have a long period of time from where they can get info.

[SapphireDreams 71]

Not likely - its very very very rare to get a stamp when flying or driving from Canada to the USA.

Actually you MUST get a stamp on your ticket to get on a plane. When we were coming back from Canada in December, we went through secondary because I'm going through ROC and so when we initially went through the regular customs desk, they stamped my husband (the USCs) passport, but not his ticket. Then in secondary, only I was required to see the agent in there, so he stamped my ticket, but not my husbands. When we were going through security, they wouldn't let my husband through because his ticket was not stamped... so we had to go back to the customer desk and they luckily just gave him a stamp at the main desk just before security instead of waiting in secondary again. They gave him the NEXUS stamp cause that is all the guy had, so even if you have Nexus, you'd get a stamp. The security agent told us that everyone must have a stamp on their ticket and if they had just let us through without noticing, the airline agent wouldn't have let him on the plane. We were glad that security agent was paying attention!

So technically, yes if they flew across the border, they would have a stamp on their ticket that they could show as proof.

I'm wondering if you could also just ask for a stamp if driving and if they ask why, you can just say it is for proof of travel for processing the K1 visa. The worst they can say is no.

[Inky 1,110]

Actually you MUST get a stamp on your ticket to get on a plane. When we were coming back from Canada in December, we went through secondary because I'm going through ROC and so when we initially went through the regular customs desk, they stamped my husband (the USCs) passport, but not his ticket. Then in secondary, only I was required to see the agent in there, so he stamped my ticket, but not my husbands. When we were going through security, they wouldn't let my husband through because his ticket was not stamped... so we had to go back to the customer desk and they luckily just gave him a stamp at the main desk just before security instead of waiting in secondary again. They gave him the NEXUS stamp cause that is all the guy had, so even if you have Nexus, you'd get a stamp. The security agent told us that everyone must have a stamp on their ticket and if they had just let us through without noticing, the airline agent wouldn't have let him on the plane. We were glad that security agent was paying attention!

So technically, yes if they flew across the border, they would have a stamp on their ticket that they could show as proof.

I'm wondering if you could also just ask for a stamp if driving and if they ask why, you can just say it is for proof of travel for processing the K1 visa. The worst they can say is no.

I have NEVER had a stamp on anything and never been stopped and told i was required to have a stamp at any crossing flying or land crossings.

and to add my mom just told me she has no stamps at all in her passport or on her tickets and she travels back and forth from Canada to USA every few months.

Edited January 30, 2012 by Inky

[Penguin_ie 5,993]

*** Two topics on the same issue merged in the Canada forum as problem is Canada specific ****

[skiptex 225]

Not likely - its very very very rare to get a stamp when flying or driving from Canada to the USA.

yea.. but you have at least boarding passes....

isk.,. i can't believe that will all the AMERICAN/CANUK Marriages

NOW its a problem..

[alizon 77]

I have NEVER had a stamp on anything and never been stopped and told i was required to have a stamp at any crossing flying or land crossings.

and to add my mom just told me she has no stamps at all in her passport or on her tickets and she travels back and forth from Canada to USA every few months.

Same: rarely stamped, never stopped. Flying or driving.

[mr and mrs 187]

i have asked for the stamp from the canadian border agent when driving actoss the border (at phillipsburg, QC. relatively small/low volume crossing). ask and ye might very well receive.

as mentioned above, for the couple in question, the i129f was submitted in august. any evidence used to respond to the RFE MUST predate the filing of the petition.

[SapphireDreams 71]

Same: rarely stamped, never stopped. Flying or driving.

Maybe it's a new thing, I don't know but they were definitely stamping everyone's tickets at customs and they checked for them at security. They may have only used to stamp the customs cards and not the ticket previously. They also scan your ticket at security too, which is pretty new.

But when I was dating my husband, we flew back and forth to see eachother monthly for 5 years and I always had a stamp on either my ticket or my passport when flying. Most of the time it was just on my ticket though, not my passport. Canada would also almost always stamp my husband's passport. He joked that his book would almost be full before he needed to renew!