'Thailand recognizes Palestine as independent state

[Penguin_ie 5,996]

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[mr and mrs 187]

i recognize palestine as an independent state!

israels brutal oppression of palestinians is absolutely shameful and intolerable. world opinion is slowly coming around to this truth. thank jeebus.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

So if Palestine is a separate state who runs it...Fatah or Hamas? And what/where is the capital of Palestine?

[AMP 54]

I am in agreeance to give them a state. Jerusalem will belong to Israel, since its thier only holly city, Pals can pic any other city within the decided borders.

Second its not a issue who runs it, because in a year or less there will be a strike on israel and a war will commnece and the new Pal state will be abolished again.

Sad but true. I am hoping if it happens its will not be true.

Edited January 20, 2012 by AMP

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I don't believe Russia gives sh,t to Israel.

Settlers. Lots of settlers.

Jerusalem will belong to Israel, since its thier only holly city,

It's always Christmas in the Holly City.

[AMP 54]

Its called a purge.

Settlers. Lots of settlers.

It's always Christmas in the Holly City.

not if Pal gets it. Christians will be persicuted and killed.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Its called a purge.

not if Pal gets it. Christians will be persicuted and killed.

There are Christian Palestinians. You know that, right?

[mr and mrs 187]

So if Palestine is a separate state who runs it...Fatah or Hamas? And what/where is the capital of Palestine?

this will be decided by a reality tv show. viewers will text in their votes to determine the details of the state (ie national anthem, head of state, which side of the road to drive on, whos face/achievement will be on currency(which will of course be paypal))

[AMP 54]

There are Christian Palestinians. You know that, right?

You mean Christian Israelies

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You mean Christian Israelies

No, I mean there are Christian Palestinians in the occupied territories. There are Palestinian Christians around the world who support the Palestinian cause. One of the most famous, for example, was Edward Said. He was often mistaken for a Muslim due to his unrelenting support of Palestine, but he was, indeed a Christian. The uneducated commonly assume that Palestinian = Muslim, but it does not.

Edited January 20, 2012 by Sofiyya

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

No, I mean there are Christian Palestinians in the occupied territories. There are Palestinian Christians around the world who support the Palestinian cause. One of the most famous, for example, was Edward Said. He was often mistaken for a Muslim due to his unrelenting support of Palestine, but he was, indeed a Christian. The uneducated commonly assume that Palestinian = Muslim, but it does not.

Probably from the same folks that think Israeli = Judaism

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Probably from the same folks that think Israeli = Judaism

Well, Israel works hard to keep up that perception, even to the point of doing some very undemocratic, anti-American things.

Israel suspends ad campaign that upset US Jews

Government scraps TV ads aimed at emigrants after complaints they show contempt for Jewish American lifestyle

updated 12/4/2011 12:45:11 PM ET

JERUSALEM — Israel's prime minister suspended a television ad campaign aimed at luring home Israelis living in North America after it sparked an uproar among American Jews, his spokesman said Sunday.

The government-sponsored advertisements, which were broadcast on Israeli TV and in large American markets, tried to warn Israelis that their children could lose their Israeli and Jewish identities if they were raised in the United States and not in Israel. That set off virulent opposition among American Jews, who complained that the commercials were demeaning to their Jewish identity.

The campaign touched on the sensitive relations between Israeli and American Jews, and the growing rift between them. Israel depends heavily on the political and financial support of American Jews, but the two sides are often at odds regarding politics and religion.

Israel's Orthodox-run rabbinate, for instance, doesn't always recognize marriages and conversions performed by Conservative and Reform rabbis abroad. And American Jews, who are largely politically liberal, are often ill at ease with hawkish Israeli policies and legislation.

In one of the advertisements, Israeli grandparents sit in front of the traditional Hanukkah candelabra while speaking to their granddaughter on Skype. When they ask the child to name the holiday they're celebrating, she says "Christmas."

In another, a napping father can't hear his son's calls of "daddy" and only stirs awake when he hears the word "abba" — Hebrew for father. A third, shows an emotional Israeli woman marking Israel's Memorial Day and her non-Israeli partner unable to relate. The adds are all capped by the slogan: "They will remain Israeli, their children won't. Help them come home."

Israel's embassy in Washington and consulates in New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco were inundated with protests from offended American Jews. The Jewish Federations of North America, the Anti-Defamation League and other Jewish groups condemned the ads.

Abraham Foxman, the national director for the Anti-Defamation League, called the ads "unsubtle, crude and heavy-handed."

"I think it's offensive. It comes out of an ignorance. Most Israelis don't understand how American Jewish life works," he told The Associated Press.

Faced with an uproar, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu quickly reversed course and suspended the ads Friday.

"We are obviously very sensitive to concerns raised by the American Jewish community and the minute we understood that Jewish Americans saw a problem, the prime minister immediately acted and suspended the program," said Netanyahu spokesman Mark Regev.

"We are always very attentive to concerns raised by the American Jewish community," Regev said.

It's not the first time an Israeli government project has upset Jewish Americans.

In 2009, it yanked an ad campaign against Jewish assimilation after it outraged Jews abroad who saw the campaign as an attack on intermarriage — the common phenomenon of Jews marrying non-Jews.

Statistics show that in the U.S. — home to the largest Jewish community outside Israel — about half the marriages of Jews over the past 25 years have been mixed.

Jewish leaders have long warned that the Diaspora's identity is eroding as more Jews marry out of faith and blend into the non-Jewish mainstream. Meanwhile, Israel has established its own, unique persona, foreign to that of Jews overseas.

Over the years, hundreds of thousands of Israelis have settled in the United States for financial and professional advancement.

Israel's Ministry of Immigrants Absorption said the goal of its campaign was to target the "soft spots" of Israelis abroad and "their national identity." It denied it was trying to interfere with "the personal choices of Jewish people in the United States or despising their way of living."

Nachman Shai, an opposition lawmaker, said that trying to bring home Israelis was a fine cause, but not at the price of alienating American Jews.

"The ads indicate that there is an unimaginable gap between an Israeli and an American. Our whole thesis is based on a bridge and a connection. Now this ad comes and says 'you, the Americans, will never understand us,'" he told Channel 10 TV.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Couple the philosophy behind this ill-fated campaign with the recent Israeli Supreme Court ruling to prevent the Palestinian spouses of Palestinian Israelis from entering the country and obtaining citizenship due to their foreign status and non-Jewish religion, and a clearer picture emerges of how flimsy a "democracy" is in a state obligated to advantage those determined by the state to be "worthy" Jews (because not even all Jews are equal).

[AMP 54]

Couple the philosophy behind this ill-fated campaign with the recent Israeli Supreme Court ruling to prevent the Palestinian spouses of Palestinian Israelis from entering the country and obtaining citizenship due to their foreign status and non-Jewish religion, and a clearer picture emerges of how flimsy a "democracy" is in a state obligated to advantage those determined by the state to be "worthy" Jews (because not even all Jews are equal).

So I dont understand are you a Jewish or Palestinian? Can a jew be a Palestinian and a Palestinian a Jew? Because it seems that "not even all Jews are equal" then a Palestinian is a Jew. Or are they Palestinian Israelis and Jews are Jewish Israelies. Or is its because not all Israelies are equal. But if Israelies do not believe in Isreal then are they Palestinians and not Israelies? How does your thinking of nationality work. What constitutes a Palestinian, his past or present. I ask because I was born in Soviet Union, so am I a Soviet or a Russian or an American. I am lost in what is my nationality.

[Dan and Judy 614]

So I dont understand are you a Jewish or Palestinian? Can a jew be a Palestinian and a Palestinian a Jew? Because it seems that "not even all Jews are equal" then a Palestinian is a Jew. Or are they Palestinian Israelis and Jews are Jewish Israelies. Or is its because not all Israelies are equal. But if Israelies do not believe in Isreal then are they Palestinians and not Israelies? How does your thinking of nationality work. What constitutes a Palestinian, his past or present. I ask because I was born in Soviet Union, so am I a Soviet or a Russian or an American. I am lost in what is my nationality.

yes