Child support for a Ukrainian baby?????

[Penguin_ie 5,993]

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[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

the PREGO thing.. was a TREMENDOUSLY LARGE BAD IDEA>> but its your spawn...

you should fight for her..

but if you don't care.. walk away...

it is your life i do not judge you

ps.. bummer about the whole thing now working out.. (minus the baby daddy issue)

So they sent you the DNA results right? Post them please so the rest of us can see along with the OP.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Really? Is that what the DNA test proved ? Post the DNA results on here please.

@ the OP. Change your phone #, get another email addy and this time find a decent one. Like Gary pointed out, there's 22 million more over there and that's not even mentioning Belarus and Russia. Until she gets a DNA test it could be the milk man's kid for all you know.

I will give you 10 to 1 she was already pregnant when you "impregnated" her and she knew it or suspected it. She just wanted you to bang her brains out to be another "father". Could be someone has backed out or maybe she is just trying to scare you into some sort of agreement

I find it to be way too much a coincidence that a Ukrainian woman does not know she can get a birth certificate without a father, that is just pretty common knowledge. Alla does translations for Ukrainian and Russian documents and BCs with no father are not at all unusual

Find a location in Ukraine for her to do a DNA test, google is your friend. On your next conversation tell her to go there and get it done, you will pay for it. There is no need in further discussing this at all until she does that. If she balks at that...busted!

RUN AWAY FAST. Then, in the future, do what we tell our sons..."WRAP IT OR WHACK IT!"

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I will give you 10 to 1 she was already pregnant when you "impregnated" her and she knew it or suspected it. She just wanted you to bang her brains out to be another "father". Could be someone has backed out or maybe she is just trying to scare you into some sort of agreement

I find it to be way too much a coincidence that a Ukrainian woman does not know she can get a birth certificate without a father, that is just pretty common knowledge. Alla does translations for Ukrainian and Russian documents and BCs with no father are not at all unusual

Find a location in Ukraine for her to do a DNA test, google is your friend. On your next conversation tell her to go there and get it done, you will pay for it. There is no need in further discussing this at all until she does that. If she balks at that...busted!

RUN AWAY FAST. Then, in the future, do what we tell our sons..."WRAP IT OR WHACK IT!"

[skiptex 225]

So they sent you the DNA results right? Post them please so the rest of us can see along with the OP.

sure..

here it is!!!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

sure..

here it is!!!

touch'e

Seriously though, a RUB chick can make the devil look like an angel at times. It's like playing Russian roulette with more than one bullet.

[visaveteran1 33]

So I have a very odd topic, but seeking some knowledge.

I met a Ukrainian and we dated for well over a year. We planned to get married and I managed to actually secure a full Fiancee visa for her. She hasn't used it yet. Anyways, she begged me to make her pregnant because she wanted to have a baby as fast as she could. She got pregnant and had a baby girl who lives with her and her parents in Ukraine. Since then she and I don't talk much and we have fought a lot since she decided she hates the USA and wants to stay.

Anyways, she wants me to go there to sign a paper that says that I'm the father. She says that she can't get a birth certificate without my signature. However, I was wondering if this makes me financially responsible in any way or if she'll have me arrested there or in the States if I don't cough up money? I would obviously understand that if I was in Ukraine in the future I could be arrested and forced to give her child support, but living in the States, I don't know if they can "get" me. However, I feel responsible for my daughter to sign the papers that would get her health care and other necessary things.

Before you all feel sorry for her, understand that I would have been her third husband, and she was going to use me as a skipping pad to an American job here. The word "manipulative" comes to mind.

Advice? (besides talk to an attorney)

Actually if your advice is to talk to an attorney, can you recommend a good one?

David

Maybe it's just me but this is an odd set of circumstances to believe. You say you "dated for a year." What does that mean? You lived over there and dated her continually? You made a number of visits over there to see her? And when did you file for a K-1? Those take awhile to secure...so you dated for a year and filed for the K-1 which she now has in hand? When did the baby arrive during this timeline? If she got pregnant, and you went along with that plan, why didn't you just marry her?

Something just doesn't add up here. And what did you mean you got her "a full visa?" Not sure what that means.

Anyway, if you're for real, I'd do the DNA and then search your conscience. I will say...between your craziness to go along with this scheme and your Ukraine woman and her weirdness and dubious behavior, the baby girl has my sympathy and concern.

Edited January 18, 2012 by visaveteran1

[skiptex 225]

touch'e

[A + M 29]

My thoughts are I would want to make sure it was my baby with DNA

I suggest you undertake a DNA test before you even THINK of signing anything.

Here's a third call for getting a DNA test

do a DNA test

Here's the 5th call for the DNA. Don't make another mistake!

Every action has a reaction!

Edited January 18, 2012 by A + M

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Anyway, if you're for real, I'd do the DNA and then search your conscience. I will say...between your craziness to go along with this scheme and your Ukraine woman and her weirdness and dubious behavior, the baby girl has my sympathy and concern.

That IS the downside isn't it. Seriously, sex is great, but people just have to think about what they are doing. The BABY is real and has needs and it seems the people that created this young child are now running as fast as they can from the child. That sucks, truly sucks. and I am not saying it about the OP because who knows if he is the father, but he was willing to go through the motions.

And a bigger shame, children are so great, so much fun, so much heartache, headache, pride, joy, laughter and comfort, pain and pleasure...and the two people who made this child are missing that as well as the child.

Just sucks. I somtimes do not have the fortitude for certain things and prefer not to think of them

[skiptex 225]

I passed that vid you posted to a friend on FB who just got out of a similar jam with a former gf.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[DavidandIrina 1]

Thanks a lot this is just the information I was looking for. I didn't realize that the USA had child support agreements with other countries. Doh. I found the official web site. I guess I really should think twice before signing anything and definitely get the DNA test. Anyone know how to do a DNA test in Ukraine? I guess I could buy a test here, take it there and take a swab and bring it back here to know for sure, I just don't know how long the DNA sample is good for and I have a 17 hour flight back.

And like I said, she's been married twice before (no kids though). Supposedly the reason that she needs me to sign the paperwork is that she finished up the divorce process from her previous husband (she supposedly married him to get some fancy mortgage for a downtown kiev apartment because she is a scientist and it was a special married scientist loan). So anyways, if the birth of the child is within 1 year of a divorce, the previous husband is assumed to be the father by this law. However, the previous husband obviously wouldn't sign the paperwork and when she went to get the birth certificate herself she was told she couldn't because of the date of her final divorce, etc.

The baby is a spitting image of me, but you guys are right, a DNA test is in order.

Some countries (not Ukraine) have a child support agreement with the US. Here is a link: http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/support4kids/abroadforuscitizens.html As you can see from the link though, any country could be added to the list any any time. I'm not sure how child support would work right now, so I don't think she wants that, I think she wants USC for the child. Are you sure the child is yours? Unfortunately unless you were there all the time it's likely she was sleeping with other people at the same time as you (especially if she's trying to scam you). I suggest you undertake a DNA test before you even THINK of signing anything. She could be trustworthy but women are the ONLY one who know for 100% sure they are the parent of a child so its your right, and it's common sense, to check first.

I think she's lying about the birth certificate, I've never heard of needing to know the father to get a birth certificate but someone from Ukraine will tell you for sure if this is true. I would say she wants you to sign the CRBA (citizenship) documents.

I personally wouldn't go there at all. Why can't she mail you the required documents so you can look at what she wants? Someone will come along and tell you more of the legalities but I wouldn't risk going there. No way, no how.

[Dan and Judy 614]

Thanks a lot this is just the information I was looking for. I didn't realize that the USA had child support agreements with other countries. Doh. I found the official web site. I guess I really should think twice before signing anything and definitely get the DNA test. Anyone know how to do a DNA test in Ukraine? I guess I could buy a test here, take it there and take a swab and bring it back here to know for sure, I just don't know how long the DNA sample is good for and I have a 17 hour flight back.

And like I said, she's been married twice before (no kids though). Supposedly the reason that she needs me to sign the paperwork is that she finished up the divorce process from her previous husband (she supposedly married him to get some fancy mortgage for a downtown kiev apartment because she is a scientist and it was a special married scientist loan). So anyways, if the birth of the child is within 1 year of a divorce, the previous husband is assumed to be the father by this law. However, the previous husband obviously wouldn't sign the paperwork and when she went to get the birth certificate herself she was told she couldn't because of the date of her final divorce, etc.

The baby is a spitting image of me, but you guys are right, a DNA test is in order.

One thing you need to realize is you shouldn't necessarily believe anything she has to say.

for instance she could have 6 kids. Maybe that's why she didn't want to follow through with the visa.

What you saw is what she wanted you to see.

She could be living happily with husband #1 or #2 right now.

How could you have a visa if she just finished her divorce?

On the bright side the baby has a daddy right there in the Ukraine.

I think in some states here, the husband is the daddy even DNA says otherwise.

That might make it impossible for her to hit you with child support.

As far as any relationship you might have with the kid, she holds all the cards and sending

money is no guarantee of anything. She certainly sounds like the type who is going to

use the kid against you.

Any money sent will be spent however she sees fit and

probably not for your kid (assuming it's yours)

The only possible good ending for you is a DNA test that proves you're not the daddy.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Thanks a lot this is just the information I was looking for. I didn't realize that the USA had child support agreements with other countries. Doh. I found the official web site. I guess I really should think twice before signing anything and definitely get the DNA test. Anyone know how to do a DNA test in Ukraine? I guess I could buy a test here, take it there and take a swab and bring it back here to know for sure, I just don't know how long the DNA sample is good for and I have a 17 hour flight back.

And like I said, she's been married twice before (no kids though). Supposedly the reason that she needs me to sign the paperwork is that she finished up the divorce process from her previous husband (she supposedly married him to get some fancy mortgage for a downtown kiev apartment because she is a scientist and it was a special married scientist loan). So anyways, if the birth of the child is within 1 year of a divorce, the previous husband is assumed to be the father by this law. However, the previous husband obviously wouldn't sign the paperwork and when she went to get the birth certificate herself she was told she couldn't because of the date of her final divorce, etc.

The baby is a spitting image of me, but you guys are right, a DNA test is in order.

http://ukraine.usembassy.gov/report-birth-abroad.html

http://www.dnatrueresults.com/ukraine.html

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Thanks a lot this is just the information I was looking for. I didn't realize that the USA had child support agreements with other countries. Doh. I found the official web site. I guess I really should think twice before signing anything and definitely get the DNA test. Anyone know how to do a DNA test in Ukraine? I guess I could buy a test here, take it there and take a swab and bring it back here to know for sure, I just don't know how long the DNA sample is good for and I have a 17 hour flight back.

And like I said, she's been married twice before (no kids though). Supposedly the reason that she needs me to sign the paperwork is that she finished up the divorce process from her previous husband (she supposedly married him to get some fancy mortgage for a downtown kiev apartment because she is a scientist and it was a special married scientist loan). So anyways, if the birth of the child is within 1 year of a divorce, the previous husband is assumed to be the father by this law. However, the previous husband obviously wouldn't sign the paperwork and when she went to get the birth certificate herself she was told she couldn't because of the date of her final divorce, etc.

The baby is a spitting image of me, but you guys are right, a DNA test is in order.

babies usually look a lot like Winston Churchill.

Whenever something like this comes (where do I find it?) I just google "DNA test Ukraine"

and go from there, but Kip has posted some links (and NO I have not previously googled DNA test Ukraine )

Also it is not so important that you actually do a test at this point and they WILL need a smaple from you, I suppose they can tell you how to do that. What is important is for you to say "I have scheduled a DNA test for the baby On (date) please bring the baby there for the test" and see what happens!