Temple Menorah Stamp Affirms Jewish Claim to Land

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Palistine is a made up country created by the Romans. It was done so to stop the jewish people from rioting.

One of many links:

http://mytorah.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/there-is-no-such-thing-as-palestine-nor-palestinian-people/

Lets go back to Jewish tribal land:

http://www.blueletterbible.org/images/maps/otest/boundaries.cfm

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So, you would say that establishing a Jewish state in Palestine had no historical basis ? Interesting.

Unfortunately, you have been misinformed. Study history through reputable sources. Israel initiated the attacks of the 1967 war (as well as the 1948 war) and it is well-documented - I mean jeez, just Google it.

Secondly, acquisition of territory through force is "inadmissible" under international law (the same laws by which Israel was contractually agreed to abide upon its acceptance to the U.N.) You can look this up, too - see "Geneva Conventions."

It's also illegal to settle your civilian population in occupied territory. (That would be the Geneva Conventions again.)

And of course, it's illegal to forcibly occupy territory and then say you'll "concede" to "give" part of it back if the occupied people will sign away their rights to the rest of their property and agree to the splintering of what remains into a series of disconnected Bantustans totally controlled by and dependent on the former colonial power.

Have you ever been to an Arab country, and talked to anyone about the Palestinian situation ? 'Cause it seems you don't know anything.

Lay off the Zio juice. The people of the Arab world have first-hand knowledge of what Israel has done to the Palestinians, and they overwhelmingly support Palestinian rights.

And the neighboring Arab countries have been forced to bear a great part of the burden caused by what Israel did to the Palestinians, driving 80% of them out of what is now the State of Israel. Jordan has had to absorb millions of refugees and their descendants (and has given them full citizenship.) Lebanon has also taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees. This dramatically changed the demographics of those countries, which were hardly rich nations to begin with.

But of course, this does not mean that Arab people think Palestinians should just all move out of Palestine - they support the Palestinians' right to go home.

And Palestinians have been calling themselves Palestinians since long before you were born, as well as before the State of Israel was established.

There is a lot of information out there waiting for you to find it, if you just look beyond Zio book of fairytales.

####### is this nonsense.

Palestinians not only have the right to return to their homeland, but they still have the legal deeds to their property.

And last I checked, native Americans have full citizenship in the United States - with the right to vote, the right to marry a person of another religion if they want, the right to apply for their foreign spouse to join them in America and become a citizen, the right to buy property or move into any neighborhood they want, etc. etc. etc.

So your analogy (although I realize that it is cut and pasted endlessly on Zio websites as if it's actually a coherent argument) falls flat.

That's a nice thought. But if you're not working for a resolution, you're part of the problem.

Yes and your propaganda is cut from terroist organizations that site only false lies and bent truth. There are many arab voting people in Isreal they even have a seat in goverment. However the so called pals are refugies in a land given untill thier brothers find a place for them in thier countires or a peace agreement is reached.

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Yes and your propaganda is cut from terroist organizations that site only false lies and bent truth. There are many arab voting people in Isreal they even have a seat in goverment. However the so called pals are refugies in a land given untill thier brothers find a place for them in thier countires or a peace agreement is reached.

Why not say the same thing about Germany? It was the actions of the German government in WWII that gave impetus to the creation of Israel, not the Arabs. Yet, Germany hasn't been pressured to repatriate Jews and give up their land to them. Why do you think that other Arab countries have more of a responsibility to provide for displaced Palestinians than do the countries that displaced them, directly or indirectly?

Why is it ok that Israel have a "right of return" for Jews that have never set foot in Israel but not for the people and their families who lost their land, and all their properties to the state to give to Jewish immigrants? Do you consider a state that discriminates between people because of their religious heritage a democracy? Israel does that.

I'm a Palestinian Israeli. We went taken from our homes a gunpoint and moved in trucks from Haifa to Jerusalem. Our businesses, properties, currency, everything was taken from us to give to foreign Jews. My family had been there for hundreds of years. There are Palestinian families who rent their own land from the state, and they can be evicted at any time. That's not propaganda; what Israelis are learning about their history is propaganda.

Don't tell me that we can vote and have "equal rights" when it's not true. We can vote, but our votes don't really count because anti-Arabs factions have control of the government. No Jew is renting from the state property they owned since before 1948. No Jew is subject to the absentee property laws, as we are. Fortunately, younger Israelis are opening their eyes to the inequities and rebelling against the oppressive tactics of their leaders. Thank God for them!

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Why not say the same thing about Germany? It was the actions of the German government in WWII that gave impetus to the creation of Israel, not the Arabs. Yet, Germany hasn't been pressured to repatriate Jews and give up their land to them. Why do you think that other Arab countries have more of a responsibility to provide for displaced Palestinians than do the countries that displaced them, directly or indirectly?

Why is it ok that Israel have a "right of return" for Jews that have never set foot in Israel but not for the people and their families who lost their land, and all their properties to the state to give to Jewish immigrants? Do you consider a state that discriminates between people because of their religious heritage a democracy? Israel does that.

I'm a Palestinian Israeli. We went taken from our homes a gunpoint and moved in trucks from Haifa to Jerusalem. Our businesses, properties, currency, everything was taken from us to give to foreign Jews. My family had been there for hundreds of years. There are Palestinian families who rent their own land from the state, and they can be evicted at any time. That's not propaganda; what Israelis are learning about their history is propaganda.

Don't tell me that we can vote and have "equal rights" when it's not true. We can vote, but our votes don't really count because anti-Arabs factions have control of the government. No Jew is renting from the state property they owned since before 1948. No Jew is subject to the absentee property laws, as we are. Fortunately, younger Israelis are opening their eyes to the inequities and rebelling against the oppressive tactics of their leaders. Thank God for them!

Well let me give you a run down of my family history:

1) Enslaved by the Egyptions

2) Spain and the inquisition

3) Hungary and the Purge of Jew from the state

4) Living in Zarist Russian and being uprooted from what everland we could not own

5) Dying and Fleeing from the nazies

6) Sent to the outskirts of Soviet Republic to live in a baren land

May family has been in the above lands for hundreds of years also. You see I had to find a new home here in America. Life sucks. I cannot ###### that I want my old communial apartment back, or the dutcha I had taken by the soviets, or the estate my great grand parents had in Germany. I want that all back, it was taken away by force, it was taken away by killing of incoent life.

Lets take native Americans, they want there lands back too, they were taken by gun point to the bad lands, thaey are still on reservations. Since your an american why are you not bitching about that. Would you give back you home to the Souix.

What about the multiple genocied muslims have commited on the the Jews Iranina, Ottoman, Palistinian. Please read the book the Case for Israel

http://www.amazon.com/Case-Israel-Alan-Dershowitz/dp/0471679526/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326497391&sr=1-1

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Well let me give you a run down of my family history:

1) Enslaved by the Egyptions

2) Spain and the inquisition

3) Hungary and the Purge of Jew from the state

4) Living in Zarist Russian and being uprooted from what everland we could not own

5) Dying and Fleeing from the nazies

6) Sent to the outskirts of Soviet Republic to live in a baren land

Let's see, ancient Egyptians, Spanish Catholics, and various Europeans have screwed over you. Gee, I don't see anything on that list that explains why you came to the Middle East to mess with me. If that's your justification for oppressing Palestinians, is that because you identify with the bullies now and want to be one of them?

May family has been in the above lands for hundreds of years also. You see I had to find a new home here in America. Life sucks. I cannot ###### that I want my old communial apartment back, or the dutcha I had taken by the soviets, or the estate my great grand parents had in Germany. I want that all back, it was taken away by force, it was taken away by killing of incoent life.

Tell it to the Soviets and the Germans. They bent you over and you gave up and recommend it to others.

Lets take native Americans, they want there lands back too, they were taken by gun point to the bad lands, thaey are still on reservations. Since your an american why are you not bitching about that. Would you give back you home to the Souix.

Actually, most Native Americans don't live on reservations. I started my human rights career in Native American law and did help several tribes regain land. The last case I was involved in involved helping tribal members regain allotment monies they were cheated out of by the US government.

What about the multiple genocied muslims have commited on the the Jews Iranina, Ottoman, Palistinian. Please read the book the Case for Israel

http://www.amazon.com/Case-Israel-Alan-Dershowitz/dp/0471679526/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1326497391&sr=1-1

Why does Israel have the right to do what you complain about others doing to you? At least I put my money where my mouth is and don't just sit at a computer telling others to take it, shut up and go away like you do.

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Then I guess every single enthicity and nationality has been oppressed. Why dont you ask the Birtish and the Ottamans why you got screwed also they sold the land to us. When the 6 day war started oops you lost the land, nothing new here has been done thousands of times in history. You will not be the first or the last as they say.

In a thousand years people will talk about it as they do about the Roman Empire.

Actually I help out at many Jewish organizations, JCC, Jewish Fediration and countless others not Jewish related.

Im not ccomplaining what was done to me of my grandparents or great great grand parents.. Your the ones that are bitching. I just saying stop the bitching and move on with your life. I dont the blame germans, I even have relatives that live there.

Admite carp happens pals lost thier land, in a battle that was fought by almost all arab nations. Countries and empires come and go, saddly its the end for Palistine.

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Then I guess every single enthicity and nationality has been oppressed. Why dont you ask the Birtish and the Ottamans why you got screwed also they sold the land to us. When the 6 day war started oops you lost the land, nothing new here has been done thousands of times in history. You will not be the first or the last as they say.

Then, you must be prepared to lose it, too.

In a thousand years people will talk about it as they do about the Roman Empire.

I hope not. The Roman Empire is still part of the excuse for why the Jews should own Palestine.

Actually I help out at many Jewish organizations, JCC, Jewish Fediration and countless others not Jewish related.

Cool. We should all give back.

Im not ccomplaining what was done to me of my grandparents or great great grand parents.. Your the ones that are bitching. I just saying stop the bitching and move on with your life. I dont the blame germans, I even have relatives that live there.

We don't b!tch, we act. If everyone was just b!tching, it wouldn't be news.

Admite carp happens pals lost thier land, in a battle that was fought by almost all arab nations. Countries and empires come and go, saddly its the end for Palistine.

It's not over yet.

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if it's in the cards then I guess so. but I highly doubt it. as we say "Never Again!"

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if it's in the cards then I guess so. but I highly doubt it. as we say "Never Again!"

Ahh! You base your prior argument on how things always change, but, now you say, not for Israel. It's definitely on the way to change, and I see that as a very good thing.

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Ahh! You base your prior argument on how things always change, but, now you say, not for Israel. It's definitely on the way to change, and I see that as a very good thing.

tell me how you plan to do this. I think you should attack Israel with your army. oh yea there is no army, just a bunch of terrorist and rock throwers.

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tell me how you plan to do this. I think you should attack Israel with your army. oh yea there is no army, just a bunch of terrorist and rock throwers.

I have an army. In fact, I have two of them. However, Israel's going to do it for me by continuing to speak out of both sides of its mouth. It's hypocrisy cannot sustain it forever. I'm not the only Israeli that thinks so.

Peter Beinart Is Right—or, a One-State Solution Is Inevitable if Settlements Continue

DEC 8 2011, 10:52 AM ET

A number of Goldblog readers have forwarded me this video of Peter Beinart speaking at the recent General Assembly of the Jewish Federations of North America. These readers are critical of Peter's assertion that Israel is, in essence, forcing a one-state solution on itself by continuing the occupation and settlement of the West Bank. I watched the video, and, alas, I don't find much to dispute with what Peter says. This isn't the easiest thing for me to acknowledge; I disagree with much of Peter's Middle East political analysis, and I disagree with many of his peacemaking suggestions. But he's not wrong about the most crucial thing: Israel will soon enough be forced to face a choice: Grant citizenship to the Arabs of the West Bank, or cease to call itself a Jewish democracy. Here is a bit of what Peter said:

The Palestinians of the West Bank have been under Israeli sovereignty since 1967. So to my mind that makes them, whether we like it or not, till we have a Palestinian state, Israelis. There is only one state that has sovereignty and dominion over their lives.. That's the State of Israel...They're not Israeli citizens, but Israel is the state that controls much of their lives.

He goes on to say:

I want Israel to remain a Jewish state for my children and grandchildren as much as anyone in this room. Where I disagree with some people is at the core of Israel's legitimacy is the fact that it was founded as a democratic and Jewish state.. and delegitimization of Israel will rise in direct proportion to the degree that people believe that Israel is no longer living up to its own founding principles and If Israel can become again a country that offers citizenship to everybody in its borders, irrespective of race, religion, sex and ethnicity, it will not need P.R. firms, because although there will still be hardcore anti-Semites and lunatics out there..,pro-Israel people will be able to go into any room and debate anyone and win. Because democracy is the language of our time, democracy is the lingua franca of our time. you can see even in the Arab world... if Israel becomes in some fundamental way a non-democratic state, you can get 100 P.R. firms and you will gradually lose that debate and more and more empower those people who believe that the creation of a Jewish state was a mistake to begin with.

I think we're only a few years away, at most, from a total South-Africanization of this issue. And if Israelis believe that the vast majority of American Jews -- their most important supporters in the entire world -- are going to sit idly by and watch Israel permanently disenfranchise a permanently-occupied minority population, they're deluding themselves. A non-democratic Israel will not survive in this world. It's an impossibility. So Israel has a choice -- find a way to reverse the settlement process and bring about the conditions necessary to see the birth of a Palestinian state (I'm for unilateral closure of settlements but the military occupation's end will have to be negotiated with the Palestinians) or simply grant the Palestinians on the West Bank the right to vote in Israeli elections. Gaza is an entirely separate problem, but one not solvable so long as Hamas is in charge, but even without Gaza's Arabs, Israel would cease to be a Jewish state if West Bank Arabs became citizens.

It will be extremely difficult for any number of reasons for Israel to leave the West Bank, but it will be impossible for Israel to survive over the long-term if it remains an occupier of a group of people who don't want to be occupied. I understand the security consequences of an Israeli departure from most of the West Bank, but I also understand that there is ultimately no choice. I don't believe a one-state solution is any sort of solution at all; Israel/Palestine will devolve quickly into civil war. The only solution is a two-state solution.

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