Temple Menorah Stamp Affirms Jewish Claim to Land

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Since it wasn't "Palestine" in 1947 there was no doubt confusion for all sides on how to allot so much spoken for land without impacting property rights of the occupants.

To save time, I'm stealing this edited post from my cousin (with permission) who posted it on another forum where a similar topic is being discussed.

The proposed State of Palestine is mentioned in more than one official document prior to 1948.

Document #1

The Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, established in 1946, refers to "Palestine" as a country and a state more than once. Among its recommendations are these:

Recommendation No. 3. In order to dispose, once and for all, of the exclusive claims of Jews and Arabs to Palestine, we regard it as essentia1 that a clear statement of the following principles should be made:

I. That Jew shall not dominate Arab and Arab shall not dominate Jew in Palestine. II. That Palestine shall be neither a Jewish state nor an Arab state. III. That the form of government ultimately to be established, shall, under international guarantees, fully protect and preserve the interests in the Holy Land of Christendom and of the Moslem and Jewish faiths.

Thus Palestine must ultimately become a state which guards the rights and interests of Moslems, Jews and Christians alike; and accords to the inhabitants, as a whole, the fullest measure of self-government, consistent with the three paramount principles set forth above.

Further down this section, there is a reference to a Jewish "Palestinian":

A Palestinian put the matter thus: "In the hearts of us Jews there has always been a fear that some day this country would be turned into an Arab State and the Arabs would rule over us. This fear has at times reached the proportions of terror . . . Now this same feeling of fear has started up in the hearts of Arabs . . . fear lest the Jews acquire the ascendancy and rule over them."

The recommendation continues:

Palestine, then, must be established as a country in which the legitimate national aspirations of both Jews and Arabs can be reconciled, without either side fearing the ascendancy of the other. In our view this cannot be done under any form of constitution in which a mere numerical majority is decisive, since it is precisely the struggle for a numerical majority which bedevils Arab-Jewish relations. To ensure genuine self-government for both the Arab and the Jewish communities, this struggle must be made purposeless by the constitution itself.

Thus, this is an official document referring to a proposed state called "Palestine" in which there would be "Palestinians" as the inhabitants.

Document #2

Arab Office Report to Anglo - American committee, March 1946

Recommendation 9:

In accordance with these principles, the Arabs urge the establishment in Palestine of a democratic government representative of all sections of the population on a level of absolute equality; the termination of the Mandate once the Government has been established; and the entry of Palestine into the United Nations Organization as a full member of the working community.

Further, in the same section:

Once a Palestinian state has come into existence, if any section of the population favours a policy of further immigration it will be able to press its case in accordance with normal democratic procedure; but in this as in other matters the minority must abide by the decision of the majority. . . Those Jews who have already entered Palestine, and who have obtained or shall obtain Palestinian citizenship by due legal process will be full citizens of the Palestinian state, enjoying full civil and political rights and a fair share in government and administration. . . They will be given the opportunity of belonging to and helping to mould the full community of the Palestinian state, joined to the Arabs by links of interest and goodwill, not the goodwill of the strong to the powerless, but of one citizen to another.

There are more references to the "Palestinian State" as the document proceeds.

In fact, there are references to a Palestinian State in official documents prior to 1900.

[luckytxn 2,264]

Palestine has been a place since long before the Mandate - its defined area had not changed in thousands of years.

From the First Zionist Congress in 1897 (this pre-dates the British Mandate by a decade):

From what I remember even a large part of Jordan was Palestine. The British partitioned it to create Jordan.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

From what I remember even a large part of Jordan was Palestine. The British partitioned it to create Jordan.

Backwards. Palestine was cut from Jordan. All of it was cut from the Ottoman Empire.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

From what I remember even a large part of Jordan was Palestine. The British partitioned it to create Jordan.

Backwards. Palestine was cut from Jordan. All of it was cut from the Ottoman Empire.

You are both confusing "Palestine" with the "British Mandate for Palestine." These terms are not interchangeable, and they don't mean the same thing.

"Palestine" is the historical term for the specific geographic area which was well-known to the world as Palestine for millennia. This area did not include present-day Jordan. The "British Mandate for Palestine" was an administrative term that the British used after the fall of the Ottoman Empire to denote Palestine as well as what is now Jordan.

Just have a look at the old maps - none of them indicate present-day Jordan as part of Palestine:

Circa 1490

1650

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1845

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1897

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it does not matter who had the land 1500 yrs ago or 50 yrs ago. we can argue the names of the land left and right. but you see there was something called a 6 day war. isralies where attacked on all fronts by all surrounding countries. I'm sorry to break the news to you who won. you where given options to stay and even to split the land, even won land was given back. there where refugees that did not want to stay.

however thier brothers from Jordan, Lebenon, Egypt and other Arab nations did not want them. the funny thing these refugees called or believed they where Jordanian or other Arab nationalities. they never would say they where palistinians. but this is not the point.

the land is not theirs. it's like having Germans say they are prussians or dains. do you think us will give back the land to native Americans.

I am sorry for your strife and hope there is some form of resolution.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

it does not matter who had the land 1500 yrs ago or 50 yrs ago. we can argue the names of the land left and right. but you see there was something called a 6 day war. isralies where attacked on all fronts by all surrounding countries. I'm sorry to break the news to you who won. you where given options to stay and even to split the land, even won land was given back. there where refugees that did not want to stay.

however thier brothers from Jordan, Lebenon, Egypt and other Arab nations did not want them. the funny thing these refugees called or believed they where Jordanian or other Arab nationalities. they never would say they where palistinians. but this is not the point.

the land is not theirs. it's like having Germans say they are prussians or dains. do you think us will give back the land to native Americans.

I am sorry for your strife and hope there is some form of resolution.

I posted documents where even the Jews were called Palestinians, so people were calling themselves Palestinians, including some of the founders of modern Israel.

There will be a single-state solution, the current Israeli government is working hard to make that a reality.

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I posted documents where even the Jews were called Palestinians, so people were calling themselves Palestinians, including some of the founders of modern Israel.

There will be a single-state solution, the current Israeli government is working hard to make that a reality.

well you had to call yourself something. I call my self an American, but was born in Russia. if I came here when california was part of Mexico I would call myself mexican.

well have you given them any other choice, for a multi state solution.

my israeli friend.

Edited January 13, 2012 by AMP

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

it does not matter who had the land 1500 yrs ago or 50 yrs ago.

So, you would say that establishing a Jewish state in Palestine had no historical basis ? Interesting.

we can argue the names of the land left and right. but you see there was something called a 6 day war. isralies where attacked on all fronts by all surrounding countries. I'm sorry to break the news to you who won. you where given options to stay and even to split the land, even won land was given back. there where refugees that did not want to stay.

Unfortunately, you have been misinformed. Study history through reputable sources. Israel initiated the attacks of the 1967 war (as well as the 1948 war) and it is well-documented - I mean jeez, just Google it.

Secondly, acquisition of territory through force is "inadmissible" under international law (the same laws by which Israel was contractually agreed to abide upon its acceptance to the U.N.) You can look this up, too - see "Geneva Conventions."

It's also illegal to settle your civilian population in occupied territory. (That would be the Geneva Conventions again.)

And of course, it's illegal to forcibly occupy territory and then say you'll "concede" to "give" part of it back if the occupied people will sign away their rights to the rest of their property and agree to the splintering of what remains into a series of disconnected Bantustans totally controlled by and dependent on the former colonial power.

however thier brothers from Jordan, Lebenon, Egypt and other Arab nations did not want them. the funny thing these refugees called or believed they where Jordanian or other Arab nationalities. they never would say they where palistinians. but this is not the point.

Have you ever been to an Arab country, and talked to anyone about the Palestinian situation ? 'Cause it seems you don't know anything.

Lay off the Zio juice. The people of the Arab world have first-hand knowledge of what Israel has done to the Palestinians, and they overwhelmingly support Palestinian rights.

And the neighboring Arab countries have been forced to bear a great part of the burden caused by what Israel did to the Palestinians, driving 80% of them out of what is now the State of Israel. Jordan has had to absorb millions of refugees and their descendants (and has given them full citizenship.) Lebanon has also taken in hundreds of thousands of refugees. This dramatically changed the demographics of those countries, which were hardly rich nations to begin with.

But of course, this does not mean that Arab people think Palestinians should just all move out of Palestine - they support the Palestinians' right to go home.

And Palestinians have been calling themselves Palestinians since long before you were born, as well as before the State of Israel was established.

There is a lot of information out there waiting for you to find it, if you just look beyond Zio book of fairytales.

the land is not theirs. it's like having Germans say they are prussians or dains. do you think us will give back the land to native Americans.

####### is this nonsense.

Palestinians not only have the right to return to their homeland, but they still have the legal deeds to their property.

And last I checked, native Americans have full citizenship in the United States - with the right to vote, the right to marry a person of another religion if they want, the right to apply for their foreign spouse to join them in America and become a citizen, the right to buy property or move into any neighborhood they want, etc. etc. etc.

So your analogy (although I realize that it is cut and pasted endlessly on Zio websites as if it's actually a coherent argument) falls flat.

I am sorry for your strife and hope there is some form of resolution.

That's a nice thought. But if you're not working for a resolution, you're part of the problem.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

I posted documents where even the Jews were called Palestinians, so people were calling themselves Palestinians, including some of the founders of modern Israel.

There will be a single-state solution, the current Israeli government is working hard to make that a reality.

Arab and Jewish populations between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean are projected to reach parity by 2020.

Meanwhile, the current Israeli government has stepped up settlement-building to the highest pace ever, clearly intending to hold on to the West Bank.

What does Israel plan to do with all those Palestinians ? Does it intend to conduct another round of ethnic cleansing, or is it going to opt for an Apartheid system, or is it going to be a democracy with equal rights for all people ?

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Goooo Israel!!!

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Amazing footage.

Palestine, 1896 - the first film taken in Palestine (Lumiere Bros.)

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Aren't we all getting the "geographical AREA" often called "Palestine" confused with the mythical "NATION of Palestine?"

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Aren't we all getting the "geographical AREA" often called "Palestine" confused with the mythical "NATION of Palestine?"

The historic geographical area known as Palestine for millennia was understood to have a distinct indigenous people with a distinct society. And every 20th century international agreement discussing Palestine mentions the indigenous people having rights, including the right to self-determination.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

The historic geographical area known as Palestine for millennia was understood to have a distinct indigenous people with a distinct society. And every 20th century international agreement discussing Palestine mentions the indigenous people having rights, including the right to self-determination.

Get on with the self determination then. A bit too much vitriol over the past seems to have been the biggest block on getting on with the future.

You are of course correct, Israel behaved badly in the past, and continues to behave badly in the present, but focus on what Palestinians can do in the present and work toward a future goal. Israel is unlikely to go away.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Get on with the self determination then. A bit too much vitriol over the past seems to have been the biggest block on getting on with the future.

You are of course correct, Israel behaved badly in the past, and continues to behave badly in the present, but focus on what Palestinians can do in the present and work toward a future goal. Israel is unlikely to go away.

The Palestinians declared statehood back in 1988.

The problem is, they have this belligerent military occupation/foreign colonization thingie going on that won't seem to go away (no matter what Palestinians do or don't do.)