Pope Benedict: Gay marriage threatens 'the future of humanity'

[The_Dude 1,142]

I'm not keeping track but The Dude must hold some record on this.

Danno, don't play dumb everyone here knows it is YOU who made the racist slur, as usual. You going to play dumb again now that Charles has made the bigoted overtly racist portion of your post invisible?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Wow, this is the most depressing Politics & Religion forum I've ever visited. It's a real eye opener that people are still so paranoid and homophobic... Makes me real glad that I grew up in Canada, where gay marriage was legalized in 2005 and has been one of the most progressive countries when it comes to human rights.

I half expect someone to start a thread in support of female genital mutilation by the looks of the kinds of the kinds of racist, homophobic and sexist stuff that gets posted here.

I don't know what boards you usually hang out at, but a lot of Americans including myself find the homosexual life style revolting. Welcome to the real world.

[pocheros 101]

I don't know what boards you usually hang out at, but a lot of Americans including myself find the homosexual life style revolting. Welcome to the real world.

This is better than Fox News.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

This is better than Fox News.

Kip is not pretty enough to be a male reporter for Fox News.

[james&olya 1,121]

I don't know what boards you usually hang out at, but a lot of Americans including myself find the homosexual life style revolting. Welcome to the real world.

Just because you or I might find sex between particular individuals revolting does not give us ANY right to try to tell them they cannot do it. When I am in Wal-mart and see the grotesquely obese slobs there in their unlaundered sweats, waddling down the aisles, it makes me nauseous if I think of them 'doing it'! I try never to think such thoughts! But I would not ever think it is any of my business what they do if they are consenting adults and they do it in private.

The catholic church is reportedly having a difficult time getting enough men to enter their celibate priesthood. Many current catholic clergy have apparently been found to have homosexual leanings as evidenced by the homosexual pedophilia reported. Is their any possible connection that the pope wants to prevent gay marriage from becoming legal and accepted in society? Just wondering!

Maybe it would solve multiple problems for the catholic church if they were to decide that priests need no longer be celibate!

[dalegg 143]

Goobacks.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

This is better than Fox News.

Your going to fit in well I can see with the other Canadians and Brits in P&R.

Just because you or I might find sex between particular individuals revolting does not give us ANY right to try to tell them they cannot do it. When I am in Wal-mart and see the grotesquely obese slobs there in their unlaundered sweats, waddling down the aisles, it makes me nauseous if I think of them 'doing it'! I try never to think such thoughts! But I would not ever think it is any of my business what they do if they are consenting adults and they do it in private.

The catholic church is reportedly having a difficult time getting enough men to enter their celibate priesthood. Many current catholic clergy have apparently been found to have homosexual leanings as evidenced by the homosexual pedophilia reported. Is their any possible connection that the pope wants to prevent gay marriage from becoming legal and accepted in society? Just wondering!

Maybe it would solve multiple problems for the catholic church if they were to decide that priests need no longer be celibate!

See some of that is nothing more than myth to us up here in Alaska. I mean beating on minorities and gays is pretty much acceptable where I live. The cops just look the other way. I head a few times from my yuppie relatives living in Seattle that said something like: "You can't do that." All we ever say to them is oh ya? Watch me. Gotta love Alaska where moms and dads are of the opposite sex not to mention Alaska is democracy at it's finest. Where else can someone like me with three felonies and several assaults is allowed to pack around a loaded hand gun the size of a small howitzer. Long live democracy where the majority still rules, not the wingnut ultra lib crowd.

Oh and btw, when they tried to have a gay pride march up here last year ...well that one didn't go over well either. For some reason the cops just couldn't find it in themselves to protect the gay minority when they tried pushing their agenda on us. That ####### may fly in places like Seattle, California, and NYC, but not here.

[mr and mrs 187]

i am utterly digusted by the blithe rhetoric of hatred on the subject of gay rights/equality.

to those who have voiced opinions of tolerance, thank you.

to canada for making marriage equality a priority and a reality, thank you.

to those who have voiced less than supportive views of gay issues but manage to do so without vitriol, thank you.

to the hate mongers, im at a loss for words.

it is inexcusable to allow hate speech to poison threads. P&R

should not be a haven for TOS violations.

as for the bloody pope...

theyre here

theyre #######

get used to it.

edit: typo

Edited January 11, 2012 by mr and mrs

[pocheros 101]

Your going to fit in well I can see with the other Canadians and Brits in P&R.

I am proud to call Toronto my home town because is it one of the least discriminatory places in Canada where people of all ethnicities, sexual orientations, and lifestyles get along for the most part and annually they hold a massive gay parade that is warmly accepted and supported by the community.

See some of that is nothing more than myth to us up here in Alaska. I mean beating on minorities and gays is pretty much acceptable where I live. The cops just look the other way. I head a few times from my yuppie relatives living in Seattle that said something like: "You can't do that." All we ever say to them is oh ya? Watch me. Gotta love Alaska where moms and dads are of the opposite sex not to mention Alaska is democracy at it's finest. Where else can someone like me with three felonies and several assaults is allowed to pack around a loaded hand gun the size of a small howitzer. Long live democracy where the majority still rules, not the wingnut ultra lib crowd.

Oh and btw, when they tried to have a gay pride march up here last year ...well that one didn't go over well either. For some reason the cops just couldn't find it in themselves to protect the gay minority when they tried pushing their agenda on us. That ####### may fly in places like Seattle, California, and NYC, but not here.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not. If you aren't all I can say is my heart breaks for the victims of hate based violence that ignorant, vile people like you perpetuate against an innocent population. What have gay people tangibly done to affect YOUR life and deserve your violence? The fact that you brag about being able to carry a gun after committing violent crime is revolting to me. Maybe it'll catch up with you one day.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

i am utterly digusted by the blithe rhetoric of hatred on the subject of gay rights/equality.

to those who have voiced opinions of tolerance, thank you.

to canada for making marriage equality a priority and a reality, thank you.

to those who have voiced less than supportive views of gay issues but manage to do so without vitriol, thank you.

to the hate mongers, im at a loss for words.

it is inexcusable to allow hate speech to poison threads. P&R

should not be a haven for TOS violations.

as for the bloody pope...

theyre here

theyre #######

get used to it.

edit: typo

Typical. It's ok to be pro homosexual, but it's hate speech to be anti homosexual. Last time I checked this country was still a democracy and freedom of speech still meant something.

I am proud to call Toronto my home town because is it one of the least discriminatory places in Canada where people of all ethnicities, sexual orientations, and lifestyles get along for the most part and annually they hold a massive gay parade that is warmly accepted and supported by the community.

I can't tell if you're trolling or not. If you aren't all I can say is my heart breaks for the victims of hate based violence that ignorant, vile people like you perpetuate against an innocent population. What have gay people tangibly done to affect YOUR life and deserve your violence? The fact that you brag about being able to carry a gun after committing violent crime is revolting to me. Maybe it'll catch up with you one day.

Iv'e never thumped on a gay person. It happens up here, but I haven't been involved myself and I'm not promoting it now. What I am stating though are facts. People up here for the most part don't care much for gay parades or gay anything. If they want to do that stuff behind closed doors then fine, but do not try and push that ####### on the general public up here or there will be consequences is the message some Alaskans are trying to get across. They don't call this the Last Frontier for nothing. The gay agenda is not tolerated up here in Alaska, and it's due to that's what the people want. I know certain types of people like libs hate democracy and the power of the vote, but that's life.

And yes I love having the right to bear arms. It's another democracy thing that libs just can't handle. OMG OMG...a person who's been in jail can pack a loaded handgun. Call 911 and stop the press.

Seriously some people need to get out more and experience real life.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

One more time and for the record, I am not advocating beating anyone including homosexuals. Again all I am saying is it has happened up here a few times at those gay pride parades in Anchorage. They don't try having those parades outside of Anchorage which is smart on their part imo. They even have a gay bar in Anchorage and as far as I know nobody has ever started trouble there. Just with the parades and when they were trying to pass some petition for a gay initiative.

I'm all for voters deciding issues. Democracy is the way to go.

[james&olya 1,121]

Typical. It's ok to be pro homosexual, but it's hate speech to be anti homosexual. Last time I checked this country was still a democracy and freedom of speech still meant something.

Iv'e never thumped on a gay person. It happens up here, but I haven't been involved myself and I'm not promoting it now. What I am stating though are facts. People up here for the most part don't care much for gay parades or gay anything. If they want to do that stuff behind closed doors then fine, but do not try and push that ####### on the general public up here or there will be consequences is the message some Alaskans are trying to get across. They don't call this the Last Frontier for nothing. The gay agenda is not tolerated up here in Alaska, and it's due to that's what the people want. I know certain types of people like libs hate democracy and the power of the vote, but that's life.

And yes I love having the right to bear arms. It's another democracy thing that libs just can't handle. OMG OMG...a person who's been in jail can pack a loaded handgun. Call 911 and stop the press.

Seriously some people need to get out more and experience real life.

It makes it easier to understand the whole Sarah Palin phenomenon. She does have 'real american' supporters in every state!

[Danno 1,228]

It makes it easier to understand the whole Sarah Palin phenomenon. She does have 'real american' supporters in every state!

Do facts ever get in the way of your conclusions?

Palin has to my knowledge never been an opponent of Gays, and I don't think Kip is a supporter of hers...... but carry on tying all these loose ends together in your mind.

[Danno 1,228]

I am proud to call Toronto my home town because is it one of the least discriminatory places in Canada where people of all ethnicities, sexual orientations, and lifestyles get along for the most part and annually they hold a massive gay parade that is warmly accepted and supported by the community.

This statement is a little comical in light of the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) — a quasi-judicial investigative body with the power of the Canadian government behind it.

Investigating and persecuting people who have hurt no one but do hold time honored beliefs many rooted in mainstream faiths.

Here let me rephrase your statement for accuracy:

I am proud to call Toronto my home town because is it one of the least discriminatory places in Canada where people of all ethnicities, sexual orientations, and lifestyles....... persecuting those folks I don't agree with.

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Catholicism – A Hate Crime in Canada?

http://catholicexchange.com/2008/06/04/112780/

“If one, because of one’s sincerely held moral beliefs, whether it be Jew, Muslim, Christian, Catholic, opposes the idea of same-sex marriage in Canada, is that considered ‘hate’?”

The question was not rhetorical. Nor was it theoretical. Fr. Alphonse de Valk, a Basilian priest and pro-life activist known throughout Canada for his orthodoxy, is currently being investigated by the Canadian Human Rights Commission (CHRC) — a quasi-judicial investigative body with the power of the Canadian government behind it. The CHRC is using section 13 of Canada’s Human Rights Act to investigate the priest. This is a section under which no defendant has ever won once the allegation has gone to tribunal — the next stage of the process.

Most defendants end up paying thousands of dollars in fines and compensation. This is in addition to various court costs. Moreover, defendants are responsible for their own legal defense. In contrast, the commission provides free legal assistance to the complainant.

What was Father de Valk’s alleged ‘hate act’?

Father defended the Church’s teaching on marriage during Canada’s same-sex ‘marriage’ debate, quoting extensively from the Bible, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and Pope John Paul II’s encyclicals. Each of these documents contains official Catholic teaching. And like millions of other people throughout the world and the ages – many of who are non-Catholics and non-Christians — Father believes that marriage is an exclusive union between a man and a woman.

The response from Mark van Dusen, a media consultant and spokesperson for CHRC, shocked me. I have interviewed van Dusen in the past and he has always struck me as an honest person willing to field tough questions on behalf of the commission. If he feels an accusation against the commission is hogwash, he states so plainly. If he feels the CHRC and its personnel are being unfairly tainted, he states so boldly.

Yet van Dusen did not dismiss the question out-of-hand as I thought he would. “We investigate complaints, Mr. Vere,” he said, “we don’t set public policy or moral standards. We investigate complaints based on the circumstances and the details outlined in the complaint. And …if…upon investigation, deem that there is sufficient evidence, then we may forward the complaint to the tribunal, but the hate is defined in the Human Rights Act under section 13-1.”

In other words, individual Jews, Muslims, Catholics and other Christians who, for reasons of conscience, hold to their faith’s traditional teaching concerning marriage, could very well be guilty of promoting hate in Canada. The same is true of any faith community in Canada that does not embrace this modern redefinition of one of the world’s oldest institutions — a redefinition that even the highly-secularist France rejects.

“Our job is to look at it, compare it to the act, to accumulated case law, tribunal and court decisions that have reflected on hate and decide whether to advance the complaint, dismiss it or whether there is room for a settlement between parties,” van Dusen continued. The truth of the CHRC considering adherence to Catholicism or Islam a possible hate crime was made real by van Dusen’s implicit admission that the commission could dismiss the complaint against Fr. De Valk. Over six months have passed since the commission first notified Father of the complaint. There has been no hint of the commission dropping the complaint.

Father de Valk publishes Catholic Insight, a Canadian magazine that “bases itself on the Church’s teaching and applies it to various circumstances in our time.” He is being accused by a homosexual activist of promoting “extreme hatred and contempt” against homosexuals.

Yet following the example of Popes John Paul II and Benedict XV, Father has stated on several occasions that we must love homosexuals and treat them with the dignity due every human person. “The basic view of the Church is that homosexual acts are a sin, but we love the sinner,” Father told me during an interview. “Opposing same-sex marriage is not the same as rejecting homosexuals as persons.” This is the deeply-held belief of orthodox Christians that is now considered a possible hate act warranting state intervention. This is what happens when government agencies broadly define homophobia as opposition to any homosexual act.

Yet the complaint against Father de Valk is just one of several in recent years that has been pursued against Christians by Canada’s human rights commissions. In 2005, the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal fined a Knights of Columbus council over $1,000 dollars for declining to rent their hall to a couple for a lesbian marriage ceremony.

Five years previous, the Ontario Human Rights Commission fined Protestant printer Scott Brockie $5,000 for declining to print homosexual-themed stationary. The Saskatchewan Human Rights Tribunal fined Hugh Owens thousands of dollars for quoting a couple of Bible verses in a letter to the local newspaper. And Mayor Diane Haskett in London, Ontario, was fined $10,000 plus interest for declining to proclaim a gay pride day.

Nor have Canada’s bishops been spared. Bishop Fred Henry, one of Canada’s most outspoken defenders of the sanctity of life and marriage, was brought before a human rights commission for upholding Catholic moral teaching. While the complaint was ultimately withdrawn — not by the commission, but by the individual who originally filed the complaint — Bishop Henry incurred thousands of dollars of legal costs.

Thus Bishop Henry sympathizes with Father de Valk, who the bishop praises as a model of Catholic orthodoxy and fidelity to Christian teaching. “The social climate right now is that we’re into a new form of censorship and thought control, and the commissions are being used as thought police,” His Excellency states.

Additionally, a message posted to a popular Catholic internet forum has reportedly made its way before the British Columbia Human Rights Tribunal. The alleged poster, who is an American writing from America, was commenting on an article written by Mark Steyn — a Canadian author who now lives in New Hampshire. The tribunal accepted this posting as evidence that Steyn promoted “hatred”. While the website is never mentioned by name in news reports – referred to only as “a Catholic website” — a source at the tribunal told me, off-the-record, that the website was Catholic Answers.

While the claim is unconfirmed as of this writing, the controversial Mark Steyn article, over which the British Columbia hearing is being held, was posted to the Catholic Answers message forum. Moreoever, popular Jewish-Canadian blogger Ezra Levant, who is blogging live from the hearing, and who is the subject of his own human rights commission complaint, published a description of the unnamed Catholic forum. Several details match, including the screen names of two participants to the Catholic Answers forum discussion of Steyn’s article.

Imagine that! Canada’s human rights tribunals are now attempting to prosecute a case against an American resident, based upon what an American citizen allegedly posted to a mainstream American Catholic website. What passes for mainstream Catholic discussion in America is now the basis for a hate complaint in Canada.

Moreover, Christians in America are not immune from what is happening to their co-religionists across the border. This past April, the New Mexico Human Rights Commission ordered Elaine Huguenin, a self-employed Christian photographer, to pay a lesbian couple $6,600 for having declined to photograph their same-sex commitment ceremony. This fine and stress from the legal proceedings come at a time when Huguenin and her husband are expecting their first child.

The New Mexico commission ignored the fact that photography is a form of artistic expression. The state commission ignored the fact that the First Amendment protects individuals from compelled speech — that is, coercion from the state to give artistic expression that violates one’s most deeply held beliefs. The commission’s one-page ruling simply stated that Huguenin had “discriminated against [the lesbian complainant] because of sexual orientation.” As this New Mexico Human Rights Commission ruling shows, Americans are in grave danger of having their religious liberty ripped away from them by Canadian-style human rights commissions.

Edited January 11, 2012 by Danno

[Ban Hammer 13,465]

one post removed for a personal attack

any more slurs and it's time to dig out the big hammer.

and now one member is unable to post in this thread.

another post removed as it quoted that post - it will not be returned as it adds to the drama.

Edited January 11, 2012 by charles!