Gingrich to black people: paychecks, not food aid

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What about those of us who have more than one citizenship?

Make up your mind or GTFO?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I live in the largest Black county in the US, so no I am not out of touch, it's you'll that read and aceppt only whats put in print. I have seen proverty in All races, so proverty doesn't just affect Blacks.

The community that I live in the average income is $50,000 and everyone owns their home. You need to get out more, maybe you will see the truth.

so then you agree that working and earning an income is better than welfare, yes? Since you care for balck people you want to see them do well, so do I. How well can they do on welfare? There ARE black people on welfare...you know this right> Not the ones in YOUR b=neighborhood, clearly. Wouldn't you want others to have access to that lifestyle?

Maybe a requirement to attend school if you receive welfare so you can get a better education. Hardly any college graduates are on welfare. I think education is a way to eliminate the need for welfare and give more opportunity to people to live in communities like yours.

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

so then you agree that working and earning an income is better than welfare, yes? Since you care for balck people you want to see them do well, so do I. How well can they do on welfare? There ARE black people on welfare...you know this right> Not the ones in YOUR b=neighborhood, clearly. Wouldn't you want others to have access to that lifestyle?

Maybe a requirement to attend school if you receive welfare so you can get a better education. Hardly any college graduates are on welfare. I think education is a way to eliminate the need for welfare and give more opportunity to people to live in communities like yours.

Gary when people stop discriminating against others because of the color of their skin, that's when we will see a fairness in opportunities. No one wakes up in the orning and ask to be put in a postion that the govt has to help them. All people wants to be treated equally and fair regardless of the color of their skin.

Gary, yes there are people on welfare, Blacks, Whites, Latino, Asian, etc. Blacks did not create the word welfare.

Gary the right to go to college free if you are on welfare, is already in place.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Gary when people stop discriminating against others because of the color of their skin, that's when we will see a fairness in opportunities. No one wakes up in the orning and ask to be put in a postion that the govt has to help them. All people wants to be treated equally and fair regardless of the color of their skin.

Gary, yes there are people on welfare, Blacks, Whites, Latino, Asian, etc. Blacks did not create the word welfare.

Gary the right to go to college free if you are on welfare, is already in place.

How did the black people in your neighborhood get where they are? Were they not discriminated against? Why not?

I am not speaking of the "right" to go to college, I am speaking of a REQUIREMENT to get educated if you are on welfare. You want food stamps? Where are you enrolled in school? Bring us your enrollment papers and your grade reports or the food stamps cease. How about not allowing anyone a drivers license unless they are enrolled in high school or have graduated high school, or are over age 21? How about just REQUIRING a high school education? what kind of nonsense is it to allow young people to drop out of school? Drop out of school? License suspended until age 21.

And this would apply to white people as well. ANYone, no discrimination here!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

How did the black people in your neighborhood get where they are? Were they not discriminated against? Why not?

A lot of them are government employees, but business ownership is another significant factor in PG county.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

part of issue at hand that is not being addressed is that of the lingering influence SLAVERY and JIM CROW LAWS have on black americans.

50 years ago discriminating on the basis of skin color was legal.

150 years ago blacks could be considered property or even better 3/5 of a person.

these hisotrical realities have had a major impact on the psyche of black americans.

is it possible that the aftermath of institutionalized racism plays a role in the higher incidence of dependance on government assistance? (or ending up in prison, or being involved in drugs/gangs, etc)

edit: typo

60 years ago 6 million Jews were slaughtered in Europe. 70 years ago 20 million people in Russia and Eastern Europe were slaughtered and even more recent than that some of those weren't even allowed to speak their own language for years including my wife's family.

Back in the 1970's and 1980's the US got an influx of Asians that were treated no better than slaves and lived even worse.

The slavery excuse has been used time and time again to explain something that is broken. Iv'e seen how affirmative Action laws and that's when it gets even worse.

Edited January 7, 2012 by Why_Me

[웃 910]

Iv'e

Nice apostrophe

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Nice apostrophe

Thank you. It's nice to see my GED wasn't a complete waste of time.

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

How did the black people in your neighborhood get where they are? Were they not discriminated against? Why not?

I am not speaking of the "right" to go to college, I am speaking of a REQUIREMENT to get educated if you are on welfare. You want food stamps? Where are you enrolled in school? Bring us your enrollment papers and your grade reports or the food stamps cease. How about not allowing anyone a drivers license unless they are enrolled in high school or have graduated high school, or are over age 21? How about just REQUIRING a high school education? what kind of nonsense is it to allow young people to drop out of school? Drop out of school? License suspended until age 21.

And this would apply to white people as well. ANYone, no discrimination here!

Gary. let me tell you a story, my granparents owned farmland (lots), the man wanted to buy it, but they said NO. So the white community was built around our farmland. So, when we went to shool, we were the only blacks in the school. But take note my great grand parents were Indian/white/Black. So, one day one of the children in the school said to me, "I know why you are black, beause God ran out of white paint" Now me being me, said to them no that's not correct You are white, because God ran out of Black paint. Well, as you can guess this didn't go over very well with this child's parent, but as my grandmother said who's to say whom God created first. God created us all from his own image. Gary, I have been discrimatined against all of my life in all things,education, job, housing, seat on a bus or plane. So Gary you want to know how we got to this point in life, we stop allowing others to make us belive that we were 2nd class citizens. We stood up for our rights, and that right is to be treated equally.

A lot of them are government employees, but business ownership is another significant factor in PG county.

Government employees with a college education.

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

60 years ago 6 million Jews were slaughtered in Europe. 70 years ago 20 million people in Russia and Eastern Europe were slaughtered and even more recent than that some of those weren't even allowed to speak their own language for years including my wife's family.

Back in the 1970's and 1980's the US got an influx of Asians that were treated no better than slaves and lived even worse.

The slavery excuse has been used time and time again to explain something that is broken. Iv'e seen how affirmative Action laws and that's when it gets even worse.

But your wife family didn't help to build this great country of ours with their sweat and labour.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But your wife family didn't help to build this great country of ours with their sweat and labour.

Immigrants and their families built this country with their sweat and labor, haven't they? That aside, what difference does it make? I know countless people that came to this country with nothing but a shirt on their back and they're all - ALL - doing well taking care of themselves and often of their families overseas as well. The vast majority of those aforementioned people are people of color. Many of them do not have that great a command of the English language when they get here. But they take care of themselves. They work and support themselves and their families. Now how do they manage to do that? And why can't everyone that was born and raised here make it at least that far? That's what I don't understand. How are people that are far less equipped to succeed - language barriers, cultural barriers, etc - succeeding while people better equipped are failing? Why is that? Because of the injustice done to one's great, great, great grandfather? Really?

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

Immigrants and their families built this country with their sweat and labor, haven't they? That aside, what difference does it make? I know countless people that came to this country with nothing but a shirt on their back and they're all - ALL - doing well taking care of themselves and often of their families overseas as well. The vast majority of those aforementioned people are people of color. Many of them do not have that great a command of the English language when they get here. But they take care of themselves. They work and support themselves and their families. Now how do they manage to do that? And why can't everyone that was born and raised here make it at least that far? That's what I don't understand. How are people that are far less equipped to succeed - language barriers, cultural barriers, etc - succeeding while people better equipped are failing? Why is that? Because of the injustice done to one's great, great, great grandfather? Really?

Not everyone that comes to this great country of ours ends up in the postions you have reference, most ends up in the postion that they are only a step above or less than what they were in their own country of origin. In referene to your first statement, most people came to this country as a free men, Blacks came as slaves;that is hell of a difference.

Edited January 7, 2012 by LIFE'SJOURNEY

[mr and mrs 187]

(i avoid the issue completely by not punctuating whenever possible. also, i thought it was iv'e. : p)

i find it hard to believe that anyone who has their GED can fail to see that there is a reasonable possibility that 400(ish) years of enslavement of a race of human beings still carries deep meaning for the descendants of those people.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

But your wife family didn't help to build this great country of ours with their sweat and labour.

And how does that explain an abnormal number of a race of people being on the government dole as if it's suppose to be an accepted lifestyle?

Edited January 7, 2012 by Why_Me

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Not everyone that comes to this great country of ours ends up in the postions you have reference, most ends up in the postion that they are only a step above or less than what they were in their own country of origin. In referene to your first statement, most people came to this country as a free men, Blacks came as slaves;that is hell of a difference.

How's that a hell of a difference? No black person living today came here as a slave. They were all born free people or were free people when they came here. One should focus on one's life and one's opportunities. No doubt does someone born and raised here have a better starting point than a person that comes here from a desolate place hardly able to even communicate. Good Lord, my grandfather was a political prisoner behind the iron curtain leaving my grandmother and mother disadvantaged. Neither ever recovered economically over their lifetimes. My father's family was in no better shape. They spent a couple of years in refugee camps to escape the Stalin's cohorts. Only after Stalin's death were they able to go back home not having to fear for their life and safety. How could that have stopped ME from succeeding, though, once the iron curtain fell? In a nutshell, it couldn't and it didn't.

Sure, I could have gone on focusing on the injustice done to my ancestors but that would be something rather silly to do. I much rather be as successful as I can be. That way, in addition to affording my family a comfortable lifestyle, I can also support my parents in their old age and help them live a more comfortable retirement than they otherwise could. Nobody is ever going to right the wrongs that were done to them and their parents. I could sit here waiting for that to happen and see my life go by without any chance of improving my circumstances. That'd be a waste. Now, seeing their children with both feet solid on the ground, seeing their children living the life they dreamed of is the best I can do to right the wrongs of the past - both for myself and for my parents.