Israeli police detain 7-year-old Palestinian child

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just treat them with love and understanding

i love everybody, and I have understanding. I know it's their home too, but you see they want everything. there are 7 million Jews in Israel and 20% Arabs. there are 3 million in wb and gaza, who throw rocks and rockets at us.

the pals want 1967 borders, all prisoners released, and still they will not recognize a Jewish state. that's like me walking into a car dealership and asking for the 1967 price. the sales man will laugh at you and tell you to kindly leave.

I think even if there is a 2 state solution the will still say it not enough. I think the best thing is a one state solution, if the want to be Israeli citizens then be it so. if not put them on a slow boat to Iran.

http://democracybroadcasting.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html

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This thread has spun way beyond the original topic.

Our new little friend is hard at work spamming the thread in a blatant attempt to get it closed and tossed down the memory hole.

Back to topic.

Each year around 700 Palestinian children are held by Israel. Unlike Israeli children, they are subject to military, not civil jurisdiction. Widespread concerns about their treatment have been catalogued by DCI and a range of other Israeli and international human rights organisations.

Children are frequently taken from their homes in the middle of the night, without telling their parents why they are being arrested or where they are being taken. Painful hand ties and blindfolds are used for extended periods of time. Prior to interrogation, children are often not informed of their right to silence or allowed to meet with a lawyer. Rarely are they even allowed to speak to their parents.

Threats and physical and mental abuse during arrest, transfer and interrogation are widespread, making prosecutions based on evidence regularly extracted from confessions more than worrying.

It's shocking when you hear about these things. It's worse still when you see them for yourself and meet some of the young people who have been through it. I'll certainly never forget the sight of 13-year-old boys being led into Israel's military courtrooms at Ofer prison in leg shackles and handcuffs. The leg shackles stayed on throughout the hearing. Necessary to prevent them absconding? I don't think so; the courtroom was inside the walls of a high security prison.

Last month I met half a dozen young ex-prisoners from the Hebron area of the West Bank who are now receiving support from a psychological counselling centre run by the YMCA near Bethlehem. As their answers to my questions unfolded, the sheer extent of the Israeli military's practice of shackling child prisoners became clear.

I was told how some of them would be picked up from a jail near Haifa by prison vans at around 1.00am to take them to the court at Ofer. The journey should take just a couple of hours. In practice, prisoners are regularly kept in the prison vans for eight or nine hours at a time as they travel to different parts of Israel to pick up more prisoners before arriving at Ofer. By the time the vans get there, they are often overcrowded. The 14 to 17-year-olds inside are shackled throughout the journey. Sometimes they are hand cuffed together too.

When I asked the young people about food, water or even how they go to the toilet during the journey, they shrugged. If you are lucky, they told me, you may get a break outside the van during the journey. Often you do not.

When I raise this kind of treatment with representatives of the Israeli government, I am usually cautioned to remember Israel's security concerns, and its need to be vigilant to the threat of suicide bombs. In fact, most of the children are detained for offences such as throwing stones. But that is hardly the point. Mistreatment of prisoners - especially child prisoners - does not stop being mistreatment depending on the offence they are accused of.

That is why DCI calls for Palestinian children to have the same rights as Israeli children to recognised standards of juvenile justice rather than military courts. It is why they say all children should be accompanied by a lawyer and parent during questioning, and all interrogations of children should be audio-visually recorded as a means of independent oversight.

And it is why - as we approach a new year in the 21st Century - Israel's shackling of child prisoners must stop.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/richard-burden/israel-release-55-but-106-palestian-children-remain-shackled_b_1163932.html

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i love everybody, and I have understanding. I know it's their home too, but you see they want everything. there are 7 million Jews in Israel and 20% Arabs. there are 3 million in wb and gaza, who throw rocks and rockets at us.

the pals want 1967 borders, all prisoners released, and still they will not recognize a Jewish state. that's like me walking into a car dealership and asking for the 1967 price. the sales man will laugh at you and tell you to kindly leave.

I think even if there is a 2 state solution the will still say it not enough. I think the best thing is a one state solution, if the want to be Israeli citizens then be it so. if not put them on a slow boat to Iran.

http://democracybroadcasting.blogspot.com/2007_10_01_archive.html

How come you capitalize "Jews", but not "Pals"?

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I'm glad all you see is crying. That makes our job easier.

yes it makes it easier for the world to see that pals want something for nothing.

before Israel there was nothing, it was a harsh environment, when Israel bought the land started producing fruit. you said I want that after all the work is done. I call this lazy! you now want the land back after you lost counles wars, dropped countless peace agreements, lost countless un appeals. it could have been easy for you if you put effort into something all you do is talk talk talk, no action or anything of substance.

come on dooo something. we traded with you 1000 prisoners for 1. even your political groups said that's not enough. these where people who plotted to kill innocent people, and we wanted back one person who wanted to protect his people from rock and rockets.

you tell me what's fair when you have all the chips?

How come you capitalize "Jews", but not "Pals"?

goofy iPod

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While there have been emotional scenes after the release of 477 Palestinian prisoners held in Israeli jails, concerns are being raised about the plight of 164 Palestinian children from the West Bank in Israeli custody.

They were either sentenced or are being detained, mainly for stone-throwing, according to the UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) which, along with other international NGOs, is appealing to the Israeli government to release all Palestinian children in Israeli military detention.

It is unclear whether the children will be part of the second wave of 550 releases in the coming two months.

“UNICEF calls on the Israeli Government to release Palestinian child detainees so that they can be reunited with their families,” said Jean Gough, UNICEF special representative in the occupied Palestinian territory (oPt). “As stated in the Convention on the Rights of the Child, the detention of children should be used only as a measure of last resort and for the shortest appropriate period of time,” she said.

The Israeli Justice Ministry was unable to confirm the number of Palestinian children detained by Israel.

Rami AbuHaneieh, aged 14 and from Hebron, was arrested by Israeli forces one month ago for throwing stones. “I have not been permitted to see or speak with him since his arrest,” said his mother, Khloud AbuHaneieh, a primary school teacher. His lawyer was allowed to visit Rami once, said Khloud, adding that her son may be released as part of the second wave of the prisoner swap.

International NGO Defence for Children International-Palestine Section (DCI-Palestine) also issued an urgent appeal for the children to be freed.

According to the latest figures released by the Israeli Prison Service and DCI-Palestine, on 1 October there were 164 Palestinian children (aged 12-17) in Israeli detention facilities, including 35 aged 12-15. Seventy-six of these children have been sentenced, while 88 children are being held in pre-trial detention.

The number of Palestinian child detained in Israel fluctuates, said UNICEF spokesperson Catherine Weibel in Jerusalem. In 2010, on average 250 children were in detention each month, and in 2009 the monthly average reached 300, she said.

Military and civil courts

DCI estimates each year about 700 Palestinian children aged 12-17 from the West Bank are prosecuted in Israeli military courts after being arrested, interrogated and detained by the Israeli army, police or security agents. According to UNICEF, over 7,000 Palestinian children were arrested and detained by Israeli authorities over the past 10 years.

Sabri Awad, 16, from Beit Umr, near Hebron, was arrested and detained by Israeli soldiers three weeks ago. “Our family and his lawyer have not been allowed to see or speak with him,” said his 18-year-old brother, Yousif Awad, unsure why Sabri was arrested.

In 2010 two children were being held in administrative detention (detention without charge or trial authorized by administrative order rather than judicial decree) in violation of international law, reports UNICEF, although there are none at present.

According to UNICEF spokesperson Weibel, Palestinian children from East Jerusalem are tried in civil courts administered by the Israeli police, just the same as Israeli children. Palestinian children from the West Bank are tried in military courts.

Palestinians arrested by the Israeli army in the West Bank fall under the jurisdiction of Israeli “military legislation”. This is a separate military court system that applies only to oPt, according to the Israeli army.

Radhika Coomaraswamy, UN special representative for children in armed conflict says: "Juvenile justice standards are clear; children should not be tried before military tribunals."

Since Israel’s “disengagement” from the Gaza Strip in September 2005, Palestinians from Gaza detained by Israeli authorities are generally prosecuted in Israel under civilian security legislation, and not under military law.

It is a violation of Article 76 of the Fourth Geneva Convention to remove children under military occupation from occupied territory, said spokesperson Weibel, thereby prohibiting family visits.

The Israeli army admits that most Palestinian detainees are imprisoned inside Israel, but argues that removing Palestinians from oPt is approved by the Israeli High Court of Justice and is consistent with Israeli law.

Ill-treatment

According to DCI, reports of torture and/or ill-treatment during the arrest, transfer and interrogation stages in the system, when children may be pressured to sign confessions, have persisted for years.

“Ill-treatment starts at the moment of arrest, when many children report experiencing terrifying night-time raids on the family home, before being tied, often painfully so, and blindfolded,” reports DCI.

Also, children continue to be interrogated in the absence of a lawyer and/or a parent, and continue to be denied bail in around 90 percent of cases in violation of Article 37(b) of the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, according to DCI.

The Israeli Prisons Authority was unavailable for comment.

In 2010, there were at least 90 cases documented of the ill-treatment of Palestinian children while detained by Israeli authorities, says Weibel, and in 2009 there were at least 101 cases documented.

Hamas deputy foreign minister Ghazi Hamad, who participated in talks with Israel to broker the prisoner swap deal, told IRIN: “Nearly 200 children and medical patients being held prisoner may be part of the second wave [of prisoner releases].”

http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?ReportId=94013

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depends what they did. I guess you would be okay with kids being released here for committing murder or assault. if so I can agree in releasing kids in pal. I also believe in the right to bear arms and to protect myself if attacked by rocks or rockets, or other weapons. if you want to keep your children out of custody prevent them from commuting crimes. it all starts from home.

card carrying NRA and concealed hand gun owner, god loves Texas and the united states and the country given to the Jews by him.

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depends what they did. I guess you would be okay with kids being released here for committing murder or assault. if so I can agree in releasing kids in pal. I also believe in the right to bear arms and to protect myself if attacked by rocks or rockets, or other weapons. if you want to keep your children out of custody prevent them from commuting crimes. it all starts from home.

card carrying NRA and concealed hand gun owner, god loves Texas and the united states and the country given to the Jews by him.

The article says most of them are being held for stone-throwing.

Which takes us back to the discussion - how many Jewish children are being held in Israeli prisons for stone-throwing, whether at Palestinians, human rights workers, or at their own soldiers or police ?

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yes it makes it easier for the world to see that pals want something for nothing.

before Israel there was nothing, it was a harsh environment, when Israel bought the land started producing fruit. you said I want that after all the work is done. I call this lazy! you now want the land back after you lost counles wars, dropped countless peace agreements, lost countless un appeals. it could have been easy for you if you put effort into something all you do is talk talk talk, no action or anything of substance.

That's simply not true. What it is is the racist notion that nothing good happens without White Europeans showing up to make it happen. You think the Arabs and Jews who were there before were lazy, ignorant and unproductive until the White European came to save them? What a crock!

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That's simply not true. What it is is the racist notion that nothing good happens without White Europeans showing up to make it happen. You think the Arabs and Jews who were there before were lazy, ignorant and unproductive until the White European came to save them? What a crock!

I know many a culture that got along just fine before they were suddenly thrust into the modern world. I imagine even a goat herder has some right to a life without somebody encroaching on his land.

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That's simply not true. What it is is the racist notion that nothing good happens without White Europeans showing up to make it happen. You think the Arabs and Jews who were there before were lazy, ignorant and unproductive until the White European came to save them? What a crock!

I think it's great that this volunteer Ambassador for Zionism has been kind enough to stop by and post his views - it helps everyone here understand what Zionism is really all about.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I think it's great that this volunteer Ambassador for Zionism has been kind enough to stop by and post his views - it helps everyone here understand what Zionism is really all about.

Just be impressed that his iPod can access the internet in his West Bank settlement.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Tell Me Again, Who Made The Desert Bloom?

In December 1945 and January 1946, the British Mandate authorities carried out an extensive survey of Palestine, in support of the work of the United Nations Special Committee on Palestine. The results were published in the Survey of Palestine, which has been scanned and made available online by Palestine Remembered; all 1300 pages can be read here.

One of the subjects investigated in the Survey of Palestine is land use; specifically, which crops were Palestine's leading agricultural products at the end of the British Mandate, and whose farms were producing them.

So, according to the Survey of Palestine, who really made the barley fields of Beersheba bloom?

The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 210,000 tons of grain.

About 193,400 tons of that grain were cultivated on Palestinian farms; about 16,600 tons were cultivated on Jewish farms.

See the precise numbers, from a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here.

Who made the melon patches of Jaffa bloom?

The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 143,000 tons of melons.

About 136,000 tons of those melons were cultivated on Palestinian farms; a little over 7,000 tons were cultivated on Jewish farms.

See the precise numbers, from a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here.

Who made the tobacco fields of Safad bloom?

The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 1,683 tons of tobacco, on 28,169 dunams of land. Virtually all the land under tobacco cultivation was Palestinian.

Who made the vineyards of Hebron bloom?

The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 40-50,000 tons of grapes, and between 3-4 million litres of wine. About 86% of the land that produced these products was owned and cultivated by Palestinians.

See a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine here.

Who made the olive groves of Tulkarm bloom?

The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 79,000 tons of olives.

About 78,000 tons of those olives were cultivated on Palestinian farms; a little over 1,000 tons were cultivated on Jewish farms.

See the precise numbers, from a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here and here.

Who made the banana groves of Tiberias bloom?

The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 8,000 tons of bananas.

About 60% of the land that produced these bananas was owned and cultivated by Palestinians.

See the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here.

Who made the vegetable fields of the coastal plain bloom?

The British government survey found that in 1944-45 Palestine’s farmers produced approximately 245,000 tons of vegetables.

About 189,000 tons of those vegetables were cultivated by Palestinian farmers; about 56,000 tons were cultivated by Jewish farmers.

See the precise numbers, from a scan of the relevant page of the Survey of Palestine, here.

So, on the eve of the partition resolution, in which the United Nations proposed to allocate 55 percent of the land to Jewish Palestine (including those parts that produced most of Palestine's leading crops, with the sole exception of the olive crop), and 45% to Arab Palestine, Palestinian Arabs were producing:

92% of Palestine’s grain

86% of its grapes

99% of its olives

77 % of its vegetables

95% of its melons

more than 99% of its tobacco

and 60% of its bananas.

Palestine's agricultural produce at that time had an annual value of approximately 21.8 million pounds sterling; 17.1 million of which was produced by Arab cultivation, and 4.7 million by Jewish cultivation. (See the exact numbers here).

So, who made the desert bloom? The Palestinians made the desert bloom.

Photos: All the photographs of Palestinian farmers cultivating their crops in Palestine under the British Mandate are from Before Their Diaspora: A Photographic History Of The Palestinians 1876 - 1948, by Walid Khalidi.

I think it's great that this volunteer Ambassador for Zionism has been kind enough to stop by and post his views - it helps everyone here understand what Zionism is really all about.

He also demostrates the poor state of Zionist education systems.

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He also demostrates the poor state of Zionist education systems.

Nurit Peled-Elhanan, Palestine in Israeli School Books: Ideology and Propaganda in Education

Very interesting study.

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How come you capitalize "Jews", but not "Pals"?

Jews are Capitalists

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you forget who brought new farming techniques to you people. how many positive impact have my people had compared to yours. yes I rather be a Zionist then a terrorist or a avist. you are so one-sided that you cannot see straight.

we all have propaganda yous tops the top of #### list. you have preached hatred and dead to all who don't see you way that is why eu, Americas and other nations cant stand you. this is why your governments are toppling. you cannot even get along together you have 3 parties in the west ban that cannot even support their own people. you have caused all you own strife and grief. you are the only ones that can fix it.

books that preach hate

clarics that preach hate and death

lies that preach hate and try to get others to view your side

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