Okla. Woman Shoots, Kills Intruder:

[luckytxn 2,264]

My heart goes out to this woman. I will say a prayer for all she has suffered.

[ScottnIzabela 25]

it is good to have the freedom to make that choice. we dont need any government

deciding it for us. or the political "elite" who can get weapons in areas where us

average citizens are forbidden by law to do so..

those two morons should have stayed home. and i dont care about them or their families.

the good riddance factor in action.i hope this young mom can get beyond this event in her life

[HannahP 119]

This is a perfect example of why women everywhere should be in favor of gun rights. They're the great equalizer. There really is nothing else in the house that could have saved her and the police weren't getting there fast enough. Lucky she had a gun.

See, this I don't know about. I grew up around guns. (LOTS of guns. I think my dad was the reason that our city placed an ordinance on how many guns you could own. lol.) I grew up shooting both handguns and rifles. I'm a great shot. Hell, I could field-strip an ak-47 by the time I was ten.

But I could never keep a gun in the house. I would never, ever (concealed) carry. I'm very realistic about my ability to shoot under pressure and I'm about 99% certain that I would either shoot myself in the foot or accidentally end up shooting my husband or a cop or something horrible like that.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

See, this I don't know about. I grew up around guns. (LOTS of guns. I think my dad was the reason that our city placed an ordinance on how many guns you could own. lol.) I grew up shooting both handguns and rifles. I'm a great shot. Hell, I could field-strip an ak-47 by the time I was ten.

But I could never keep a gun in the house. I would never, ever (concealed) carry. I'm very realistic about my ability to shoot under pressure and I'm about 99% certain that I would either shoot myself in the foot or accidentally end up shooting my husband or a cop or something horrible like that.

My ex and I had an agreement when we were still together that we wouldn't keep any guns in the house for the fact one of us might end up shooting each other in the heat of the moment. It was one of the best things we ever agreed on.

[HannahP 119]

My ex and I had an agreement when we were still together that we wouldn't keep any guns in the house for the fact one of us might end up shooting each other in the heat of the moment. It was one of the best things we ever agreed on.

Well, I don't think that I'd shoot my husband r/t a domestic dispute and/or anger on my part. I'm just one of those people that can acknowledge that I get nervous under pressure and tend to freeze up.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Having a gun in the home vastly increases the chances it will be used in a heated moment, but the post is intended to show how safe a gun in the home makes one from intruders. Silly really, but having a gun in your home to satisfy paranoia and dream dreams of protecting yourself with it is a right.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

20 minutes on the phone with 911 and still waiting for the cops to show up and fill out the police report.

[ScottnIzabela 25]

mine worked 3 times in my life and not one shot fired.

so no, not fantasy or delusions. and no...not for use in arguments.my parents battled often and violently. no guns ever were used.

i cant speak as to why they did what they did but i dont buy for one second the idea a gun is bad and is tempting in the heat of the moment. that is such a ####### statement.

as for shooting a family member....not going to happen.

one needs to let thee family and friends know, if you stay over or are home sneaking about is a good way to get hurt. no... just be obvious

in your actions. it takes a certain amount of time to become awake and properly alert to use a gun. and you need to know the laws and your home. and your kids and family need to know

not to sneak around in the dark. not to try and be too quiet if you get up in the night..

but paranoid? pffft not even close. grabbing a gun every time i hear a noise? dream on.

aware of my surroundings sure. why wouldnt i be?

my late wife had a stalker for 5 years.

cops cant/wont do anything about it. home and personal defense was my responsibility.

if you want to stake your life on the good will of a criminal or chuck shumer...well good luck with that.

i choose extreme violence over cowardice.

[james&olya 1,121]

This is one of those very clear-cut instances of the value of guns for self-defense. How often does it actually happen like this? I continue to believe that modern society would be better off without guns in the hands of all that want them but that train left the station before we were even a nation! I fear that many law-abiding people with guns may not have the necessary willingness to make the split-second decision to take human life that may be required to make their gun-ownership as beneficial to them as it was to this brave teen-aged mom. But it does increase my own interest in joining the ranks of gun owners. Maybe I am a bit anti-social but I have little doubt that I could react the same way to defend home and family!

[HannahP 119]

mine worked 3 times in my life and not one shot fired.

so no, not fantasy or delusions. and no...not for use in arguments.my parents battled often and violently. no guns ever were used.

i cant speak as to why they did what they did but i dont buy for one second the idea a gun is bad and is tempting in the heat of the moment. that is such a ####### statement.

as for shooting a family member....not going to happen.

one needs to let thee family and friends know, if you stay over or are home sneaking about is a good way to get hurt. no... just be obvious

in your actions. it takes a certain amount of time to become awake and properly alert to use a gun. and you need to know the laws and your home. and your kids and family need to know

not to sneak around in the dark. not to try and be too quiet if you get up in the night..

but paranoid? pffft not even close. grabbing a gun every time i hear a noise? dream on.

aware of my surroundings sure. why wouldnt i be?

my late wife had a stalker for 5 years.

cops cant/wont do anything about it. home and personal defense was my responsibility.

if you want to stake your life on the good will of a criminal or chuck shumer...well good luck with that.

i choose extreme violence over cowardice.

I feel like

you're

trying to speak

in poetry

but failing.

(Possibly haiku?)

What worked three times?

I would probably shoot myself in the foot and not an intruder.

I also suffer from major depression with the occasional bout of suicidal ideation. I also don't keep tylenol, aspirin, potassium, etc. in my house.

[ScottnIzabela 25]

self defense is a human right that goes beyond governments. beyond laws. it was so before people started living in groups larger than family /extended famlies.

no law should hinder it, no culture should prevent it.

This is one of those very clear-cut instances of the value of guns for self-defense. How often does it actually happen like this? I continue to believe that modern society would be better off without guns in the hands of all that want them but that train left the station before we were even a nation! I fear that many law-abiding people with guns may not have the necessary willingness to make the split-second decision to take human life that may be required to make their gun-ownership as beneficial to them as it was to this brave teen-aged mom. But it does increase my own interest in joining the ranks of gun owners. Maybe I am a bit anti-social but I have little doubt that I could react the same way to defend home and family!

lmao

no i dont like the forum style where the posts are really wide on the screen. i try

and crop it and keep it a bit smaller. and it....it was my use of a gun. against a human.

I feel like

you're

trying to speak

in poetry

but failing.

(Possibly haiku?)

What worked three times?

I would probably shoot myself in the foot and not an intruder.

I also suffer from major depression with the occasional bout of suicidal ideation. I also don't keep tylenol, aspirin, potassium, etc. in my house.

[ScottnIzabela 25]

then by your own admission you are unable to own. for mental health reasons.

i cant imagine being that way....but then again are you aware of the mayhem one can raise with a knife or a hammer or screwdriver?

they are tools,,,,so are guns.

and i dont do haiku or poetry.

but my wife loves how i write to her. i cant speak in person to her like i can by typing. and yes that is far better

then what i type here. and yes i have various college level English classes on my

list of things i have done, and done well.

I feel like

you're

trying to speak

in poetry

but failing.

(Possibly haiku?)

What worked three times?

I would probably shoot myself in the foot and not an intruder.

I also suffer from major depression with the occasional bout of suicidal ideation. I also don't keep tylenol, aspirin, potassium, etc. in my house.

[xebec 195]

Having a gun in the home vastly increases the chances it will be used in a heated moment, but the post is intended to show how safe a gun in the home makes one from intruders. Silly really, but having a gun in your home to satisfy paranoia and dream dreams of protecting yourself with it is a right.

Yes.... a heated moment. Just as the above story illustrates. Luckily this young woman had the tools at hand to prevent these vermin from brutalizing her and her defensless child. Silly, eh? I guess her paranoia paid off.....

[slim 1,525]

20 minutes on the phone with 911 and still waiting for the cops to show up and fill out the police report.

Police are REactive. They have no duty to protect us, only to respond to crime. As such, every single police force in our country should be downsized. The fact that we waste BILLIONS of dollars a year paying armed men to drive around (by themselves most of the time) in late model cars with computers and radios so we can feel safer is appalling.

Yet the reaction you get from the average subject (notice I didn't say citizen) is "but then we wouldn't be safe." No, you wouldn't be safe. I'd be just fine. And the fact is... all of us would be just fine. There'd be an initial spike in crime and then there'd be a vast reduction because citizens would start shooting criminals. Criminal would be a very dangerous job description unlike now where it's a semi-lucrative field, especially since the government subsidizes times between jobs. Once the police were all but gone, citizens would finally start protecting themselves properly, just as this young lady did.

i choose extreme violence over cowardice.

It's amazing how quickly extreme violence will stop a crime in progress. It's also worth noting how effective it is at stopping repeat crimes as well.

it does increase my own interest in joining the ranks of gun owners.

Dude, you're in danger of getting your RUB card revoked. Buy a gun already, hippie!

I also don't keep tylenol, aspirin, potassium, etc. in my house.

Masturbation and chocolate. Works like a charm.

then by your own admission you are unable to own. for mental health reasons.

Not necessarily.

A person has to be adjudicated mentally defective by a court, board, commission or other lawful authority as being a danger to themselves or someone else. Or they have to have been committed to a mental institution. Often, in cases of depression, where someone's gone to their family practitioner and said, "I'm sad" and been placed on anti-depressants, they're still fully legal in owning a firearm.

An interesting fact to note is somewhere around 60% of adults are on prescription drugs and many of those are on anti-depressants. Should we disable someone from owning firearms simply because they're taking drugs prescribed to them by a physician? If someone is depressed and then treated, aren't they "normal" again? At the very least do we want to say someone can't defend their family or home because they're being treated for an illness?

It's an interesting debate and one that's definitely not black and white. Mental health itself is a gray area!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Pics and video in link.

http://news.yahoo.com/okla-mom-wont-face-charges-shooting-intruder-031645004.html

Oklahoma mom won't face charges for shooting intruder

AP – 20 hrs ago

BLANCHARD, Okla. (AP) — Authorities don't plan to file charges against an Oklahoma woman who fatally shot a New Year's Eve intruder at her house while she had a 911 dispatcher on the phone, but the intruder's alleged accomplice has been charged in the death.

A 911 tape released to Oklahoma City media outlets Wednesday reveals that 18-year-old Sarah McKinley asked a Grady County dispatcher for permission to shoot the intruder. McKinley's 3-month-old son was with her when she shot Justin Shane Martin, 24, at her Blanchard mobile home.

"I've got two guns in my hand. Is it OK to shoot him if he comes in this door?" McKinley asked the dispatcher.

"Well, you have to do whatever you can do to protect yourself," the dispatcher is heard telling McKinley. "I can't tell you that you can do that, but you have to do what you have to do to protect your baby."

Oklahoma law allows the use of deadly force against intruders, and prosecutors said McKinley clearly acted in self-defense. According to court documents, Martin was holding a knife when he died.

"Our initial review of the case doesn't indicate she violated the law in any way," Assistant District Attorney James Walters told The Oklahoman newspaper.

However, prosecutors have charged his alleged accomplice, 29-year-old Dustin Louis Stewart, with first-degree murder. According to authorities, Stewart was with Martin but ran away from McKinley's home after hearing the gunshots.

"When you're engaged in a crime such as first-degree burglary and a death results from the events of that crime, you're subject to prosecution for it," Walters said.

Stewart was arraigned Wednesday and was being held in the Grady County jail. A bond hearing was set for Thursday. His attorney, Stephen Buzin, did not immediately respond to a message left at his office Wednesday night.

According to court documents, Martin and Stewart might have been looking for prescription drugs. McKinley said it took the men about 20 minutes to get through her door, which she had barricaded with a couch.

She said her husband had died about a week earlier — on Christmas Day — after being hospitalized with complications from lung cancer earlier that month.

Edited January 6, 2012 by Why_Me