I'm just curious how people feel about this

[Mirorgate 0]

..

hmmm... would it be bad if I said 2nd sexiest cpl ever?

Yes....you'd be subject to a 'treatment' then

OK, I'll bite. whats "the treatment"? is that kinda like a massage first then a quick dip in a hot tub to totaly relax? cause thats kinda cool... if its "I kick you in the nutz" treatment... I'll pass

[Bootylicious!! 2]

I don't think they should be granted citizenship, but I have no problem with them obtaining visas thru legal channels

Okay, that's fair enough. I don't agree with it, but I understand where you are coming from. Just like that's all I wanted to do. I just wanted to get people to see where I was coming from. I'm not sure if I succeeded in that or not, but I gave it a shot.

[Marc and Olga 0]

By saying they should never EVER gain citizenship is saying they should pay for the mistake of crossing the border forever. By never being allowed to gain citizenship in this country.

Would you be happier if I said a progressive punishment, such as 5 years first offense, 10 years second and lifetime third offense? You know, 3 strikes you're out!

Maybe I should have stated that there is the possiblity of using the I-601 wavier for the ones that meet and fall in love with USCs?

Again, Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. I admit I have made some "bad choices" and am glad that I did not get caught but had I, I would have "done the time" and not BI##HED about it.

My "bad choices" were NOT "mistakes", I knew what I was doing was wrong (unlawful) as I am certain EVERYONE who crosses the border illegally KNOWS what they are doing is wrong (also unlawful).

So let me state my quote a different way:

I have never heard 1 of them say "I did not intend to cross the border"

Considering the difficulties they go through crossing the border illegally, it would be fairly difficult to honestly say that!

[Fandango 1,440]

..

hmmm... would it be bad if I said 2nd sexiest cpl ever?

Yes....you'd be subject to a 'treatment' then

OK, I'll bite. whats "the treatment"? is that kinda like a massage first then a quick dip in a hot tub to totaly relax? cause thats kinda cool... if its "I kick you in the nutz" treatment... I'll pass

[ieldanth 0]

Mistakes are like that though. Some people make mistakes that haunt them for all 3 seconds of the rest of their lives. Some people learn to adapt to the consequences of their mistakes, but the consequences are still there. Some people never get over the fact that there are consequences to mistakes and are therefore condemned to repeat those mistakes. Those that are going through a separation are paying for the mistakes made in a way the law sees fit. The law was violated, the law will be satisfied. Learn from that mistake and move on.

In the instances I have read, it was jobs that lured them across the border. You have two choices here: eliminate the jobs or make work visas easier to obtain. If work visas are made almost as trivial as tourist visas, then it stands to reason that the penalty for illegally crossing the border should be more severe. This is to discourage those who would only come here and be exploited or those who would come here with criminal intent.

[pedroh 21]

En America se habla Ingles..

ayyyyy!!

lawlz.. big companies though don't agree with the 'speak english mofo's' ronnie dobs attitude.. they are proactive, and simply hire bilingual people.. I think it's more profitable to do that, rather than 'wish' or 'enforce' someone to learn a language.. methinks..

[mmmbop1976 1]

my opinion only...1st of all, why is there so many illegal immigrants in the USA? because the path to legal immigration is very discriminatory and long for some people. so, for example, if you are a doctor from india with a PH.D. degree, you will have no problem getting a visa to come here in relatively short time. but,if you are a migrant worker from mexico, forget it, you'll be waiting over ten years or much longer. but that mexican worker want freedom and opportunity just as much as anybody does, maybe more. so he must illegally cross into the USA for his chance at living the life he dreams for himself and his family. now, I am not for amnesty, but what i am for is a complete overhaul of the US immigration process so that it is fast, fair, and non-discriminatory. we have room in this country for everyone that wants to come here legally. it should be apply, do a background check, visa issued, welcome to the USA! with the computers and databases they have nowadays it should not take anyone more than 6 months to get a visa of any category. just my opinion. i am very pro-immigration

[peejay 327]

I am writing an essay for a class of mine and the subject matter is -Giving A Path Of Citizenship To Illegal Immigrants-. I am curious what people's opinions are on this subject. Do you feel it would be unfair to reward illegal behavior while there are so many people going about this process legally and get denied or how do you feel? Any responses would be appreciated. Thanks

Immigration should not be about "the immigrant". It is not about bestowing masses of immigrants (legal or otherwise) "a better life" to the detriment of the America and a majority American citizens. It is about the benefit the immigrant brings to the host nation as a whole. And it is not about the benefit that the immigrant brings to themselves or a select few at the expense of current citizens or for narrow self-serving interests.

Immigration laws were put into place to protect our Nation and its citizens. That is the #1 priority. America has some of the most generous immigration laws in the world that were put into place to allow immigration, but to also put the best interests of the Nation as a whole as the #1 priority. Many nations live, thrive, survive, and prosper with no or heavily regulated immigration.

Illegal immigration does not serve the best interests of the vast majority of the American People and, therefore, these masses of illegal immigrants do not "deserve" amnesty and a pathway to citizenship. Most of the advocates of mass amnesty have narrow self-serving agendas that are detrimental to our Nation and a vast majority of "the People". Either through racial / ethnic / foreign-national self interest, narrow economic self interests, or political self interests these laws to protect our Nation and "the People" have been actively and illegally circumvented.

It is time to return to the rule of law as was intended originally. We should maintain current "legal" immigration laws / numbers and crack down hard on illegal immigration rather than reward it. We get what we tolerate. If you tolerate and reward illegal immigration you will get more of the same. There should be no amnesty for illegal immigrants and, definitely, no pathway to citizenship to reward them.

It has gone on for so long and so blatantly that it is high time to crack down instead of playing self serving games.

I see one party that believes a pathway to citizenship for illegals in the future and no proof of citizenship to vote now as its mantra. I see another party that circumvents border control and workplace verification of eligibility as its mantra unless a massive guest worker progam and a lifting of caps on foreign labor is given in return. I see a business community and its lackies lobbying for unrestricted immigration, amnesty, and unlimited caps on foreign work visas. I see a Mexican government and race based Hispanic groups that actively promotes illegal immigration or does a heavy dose of excusing it.

All of this is not in the best interests of "the People". The vast majority of the American People. At no time in our history has illegal immigration exceeded legal immigration as it does now.

Just because we don't let anyone and everyone into the USA in unlimited numbers does not entitle the individual immigrant or special interests that derive enormous self benefit from unregulated immigration from dictating immigration policy and circumventing our laws to our collective detriment. It is institutionalized corruption at its worst.

This is not 1690, 1776, 1890, 1924, or 1986. Our immigration laws and policy should be based on the realities of the 21st century and not a country that doesn't exist anymore or punishments for past history.

That's my 2 cents and some change.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

my opinion only...1st of all, why is there so many illegal immigrants in the USA? because the path to legal immigration is very discriminatory and long for some people. so, for example, if you are a doctor from india with a PH.D. degree, you will have no problem getting a visa to come here in relatively short time. but,if you are a migrant worker from mexico, forget it, you'll be waiting over ten years or much longer. but that mexican worker want freedom and opportunity just as much as anybody does, maybe more. so he must illegally cross into the USA for his chance at living the life he dreams for himself and his family. now, I am not for amnesty, but what i am for is a complete overhaul of the US immigration process so that it is fast, fair, and non-discriminatory. we have room in this country for everyone that wants to come here legally. it should be apply, do a background check, visa issued, welcome to the USA! with the computers and databases they have nowadays it should not take anyone more than 6 months to get a visa of any category. just my opinion. i am very pro-immigration

Good point.

[mmmbop1976 1]

Immigration should not be about "the immigrant". It is not about bestowing masses of immigrants (legal or otherwise) "a better life" to the detriment of the America and a majority American citizens. It is about the benefit the immigrant brings to the host nation as a whole. And it is not about the benefit that the immigrant brings to themselves or a select few at the expense of current citizens or for narrow self-serving interests.

this is exactly the kind of discrimination that i am talking about in our current system. ANY law abiding immigrant is a benefit to the nation as a whole! We are the nation of freedom, yet we are so stingy with it.

my opinion only...1st of all, why is there so many illegal immigrants in the USA? because the path to legal immigration is very discriminatory and long for some people. so, for example, if you are a doctor from india with a PH.D. degree, you will have no problem getting a visa to come here in relatively short time. but,if you are a migrant worker from mexico, forget it, you'll be waiting over ten years or much longer. but that mexican worker want freedom and opportunity just as much as anybody does, maybe more. so he must illegally cross into the USA for his chance at living the life he dreams for himself and his family. now, I am not for amnesty, but what i am for is a complete overhaul of the US immigration process so that it is fast, fair, and non-discriminatory. we have room in this country for everyone that wants to come here legally. it should be apply, do a background check, visa issued, welcome to the USA! with the computers and databases they have nowadays it should not take anyone more than 6 months to get a visa of any category. just my opinion. i am very pro-immigration

Good point.

oh no, steven is agreeing with me, what the heck is going on here? ok, i'll probably wake up from this dream soon

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Everyone in their lifetime has done such. Thank goodness bad choices can be overcome.

Having entered the country illegally, having been present in the country illegally, having committed fraud and/or identity theft are all bad choices that can be overcome. There's a process to remedy these bad choices. Some just don't seem to want to face the music and pursue the remedies available to them. They just want a pardon of some sort and some more shortcuts. That's why many are in this situation: 'cause they thought the next pardon will be just a matter of time. Seems that this was a miscalculation and now there's a lot of frustration about that.

[AnaAndDaniel 0]

Immigration should not be about "the immigrant". It is not about bestowing masses of immigrants (legal or otherwise) "a better life" to the detriment of the America and a majority American citizens. It is about the benefit the immigrant brings to the host nation as a whole. And it is not about the benefit that the immigrant brings to themselves or a select few at the expense of current citizens or for narrow self-serving interests.

...

oh please. peejay, there you go again. geez i do not know where to start. detriment to America and a majority of its citizens??? leme see... illegal immigration has being going on for some time now and yet America is doing quite well. I do not see this 'detriment' you speak of.

What I do see is a bunch fear mongering going on. 'invasion', 'detriment' , yada yada yada.... boy you sure are scared of the current crop of illegal immigrants aren't ya? let me assure you that the current crop and any future crop will work just as hard, love this country just as much, sacrifice their lives or that of their offspring for the security of, ...., of this nation.

yeah yeah, it ain't pretty and ain't fair, boo hoo... get on with your life, maybe we institute some form of legalizing the workforce that wants to come and is needed. maybe we don't. but do not fret over the well being of this nation because of illegal immigrants.

for every statistics the anti immigrant side sites as example of detriment, mutiply it by 90 to get an idea of numbers of 'addition' to this country illegal immigrants produce.

ah well, i guess i can never get over the fact how some ppl can generalize so much and turn arounf find very 'easy' and 'specific' solns.

to the OP: i take it your question is rhetorical as no one worthy of most ppls time is proposing citizenship for illegal aliens. what is generally bantered about is granting some kind of legal status, with perhaps a shot of citizenship down the line. anywho, my respo nse would be no, it would not be fair, and i would not like that. as other have posted, some kind of practical solution should be found.

Daniel

:energetic:

[Elphie 0]

I am ashamed...completely ashamed at reading this thread. I thought we were different here. Send them back, and let them NEVER come back? Thanks a whole hell of a lot. I'm not going to get into the nuances and details like Charity did, but suffice it to say that I deal with hardships of every type every single day of my life. My life will never be anywhere close to normal because of my husband's dumb mistake. Would that some of you had to pay so dearly for mistakes YOU made in your life-it's a very humbling experience. Also suffice it to say that there are some very hurt feelings right now, and I hope you all are happy.

I apologize that some of the things that people have said here have made you upset Heina. I just wanted to hear people's opinions about this subject. I read your reply to my post and it brought up some good points. It made me rethink my take on the subject a bit, so thank you for replying. I don't feel that there is one person who posted a reply would intentionally set out to say something that would upset you. All they did was give their honest opinion on the subject. That is all.

[kirk and Jenny 0]

I am ashamed...completely ashamed at reading this thread. I thought we were different here. Send them back, and let them NEVER come back? Thanks a whole hell of a lot. I'm not going to get into the nuances and details like Charity did, but suffice it to say that I deal with hardships of every type every single day of my life. My life will never be anywhere close to normal because of my husband's dumb mistake. Would that some of you had to pay so dearly for mistakes YOU made in your life-it's a very humbling experience. Also suffice it to say that there are some very hurt feelings right now, and I hope you all are happy.

I apologize that some of the things that people have said here have made you upset Heina. I just wanted to hear people's opinions about this subject. I read your reply to my post and it brought up some good points. It made me rethink my take on the subject a bit, so thank you for replying. I don't feel that there is one person who posted a reply would intentionally set out to say something that would upset you. All they did was give their honest opinion on the subject. That is all.

Different here; that is totally absurd. If you cut to the base of the American people, they are no less ignorant or bigoted than the rest of the world. We just lie about it better. At least most of the rest of the world is honest so you know what you are against, are for.

[Elphie 0]

Ereshkigal,

I have a problem with this part of your question, "so many people going about this process legally and get denied".

- Recognize that going about the process legally and being qualified to immigrate are two different things.

- I'm not sure I agree that many of the people going about the process legally are being denied. Some may have to go to great lengths to demonstrate that they qualify for immigration. I think that very few who are qualified ultimately are denied. Most denials - and I believe there are relatively few - are appropriate under the law.

Yodrak

I am writing an essay for a class of mine and the subject matter is -Giving A Path Of Citizenship To Illegal Immigrants-. I am curious what people's opinions are on this subject. Do you feel it would be unfair to reward illegal behavior while there are so many people going about this process legally and get denied or how do you feel? Any responses would be appreciated. Thanks

Very good point. I wasn't thinking about that. I should have phrased the question more along the lines of... How do you feel about our govt. giving a path of citizenship to illegal immigrants when all of you are going about it the legal way... or something along those lines.