I'm just curious how people feel about this

[Yodrak 7]

Ereshkigal,

I have a problem with this part of your question, "so many people going about this process legally and get denied".

- Recognize that going about the process legally and being qualified to immigrate are two different things.

- I'm not sure I agree that many of the people going about the process legally are being denied. Some may have to go to great lengths to demonstrate that they qualify for immigration. I think that very few who are qualified ultimately are denied. Most denials - and I believe there are relatively few - are appropriate under the law.

Yodrak

I am writing an essay for a class of mine and the subject matter is -Giving A Path Of Citizenship To Illegal Immigrants-. I am curious what people's opinions are on this subject. Do you feel it would be unfair to reward illegal behavior while there are so many people going about this process legally and get denied or how do you feel? Any responses would be appreciated. Thanks

Edited September 28, 2006 by Yodrak

[Fandango 1,440]

knowingly coming to the US illegally is more than just a simple mistake... it is a choice.

that's all i've got to say

You're right...and I'm glad to know that so many individuals think they make only good choices in life. I, for one, could never be so wrong as to present myself as having made only good choices, particularly in my younger years. Maybe I should rephrase that: would that some members here be punished so dearly for their bad choices in life. To me, it says the same thing.

I don't remember seeing anyone else here saying they've only made good choices.

You know what, forget this ######. I'm done trying to play nice. To all of you who say they should leave and never come back, I hope sincerely in my heart and soul that each of you one day will feel the pain of dealing with consequences of bad choices YOU make in your life. And I hope those consequences are severe, so severe, that you feel it's unfair. That's all I have to say. Adios pendejos y chinguen a sus madres.

Again I think you are reading things that aren't there. I don't remember seeing anyone say they should never come back. I certainly didn't say that, I just said that they shouldn't be allowed immigration, and by that I mean a chance at citizenship. I'm sorry your feelings are hurt on this, but somehow I think you should have known that people here would have harsh feelings towards illegal immigrants, especially when many of us are having such a rough time doing it legally.

No, none of us have said that we've only made bad choices....and teenagers make decisions all the time which have life-long consequences...obviously there are extreme examples such as breaking the law and whatnot, but all of us HAVE made choices back then which affect where we are now....from doing well/poorly in school, deciding whether or not to go to college, having that bf/gf who's not right for you who you marry/etc....life at teenage-hood is riddled with these paths which some can never switch from.

As far as the Spanish insult bit, I think it's disgusting & socially retarded to lash out at people so hard core. I'm sorry you are caught up in a messy situation, Heina, but none of us had anything to do with it, and you're just going to have to accept that some of us have differing opinions. No one is reveling in your misery, but you seem to expect that because you're in love, that your husband's actions shouldn't have consequences, and that's really an unrealistic expectation.

[Mirorgate 0]

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hmmm... would it be bad if I said 2nd sexiest cpl ever?

[Fandango 1,440]

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hmmm... would it be bad if I said 2nd sexiest cpl ever?

Yes....you'd be subject to a 'treatment' then

[one...two...tree 2,762]

knowingly coming to the US illegally is more than just a simple mistake... it is a choice.

that's all i've got to say

You're right...and I'm glad to know that so many individuals think they make only good choices in life. I, for one, could never be so wrong as to present myself as having made only good choices, particularly in my younger years. Maybe I should rephrase that: would that some members here be punished so dearly for their bad choices in life. To me, it says the same thing.

As to the severity of being here illegally for those who've crossed the border (Mexicans), I'd equate it legally to that of driving over the speed limit. It's not a moral issue, but I'm not sure you're going to convince those who keep harping on that. Underlying that is really the issue of fairness and they relate that to their personal experience with legal immigration. It's almost fruitless to argue this issue in VJ for that reason, unfortunately.

[Fandango 1,440]

knowingly coming to the US illegally is more than just a simple mistake... it is a choice.

that's all i've got to say

You're right...and I'm glad to know that so many individuals think they make only good choices in life. I, for one, could never be so wrong as to present myself as having made only good choices, particularly in my younger years. Maybe I should rephrase that: would that some members here be punished so dearly for their bad choices in life. To me, it says the same thing.

As to the severity of being here illegally for those who've crossed the border (Mexicans), I'd equate it legally to that of driving over the speed limit. It's not a moral issue, but I'm not sure you're going to convince those who keep harping on that. Underlying that is really the issue of fairness and they relate that to their personal experience with legal immigration. It's almost fruitless to argue this issue in VJ for that reason, unfortunately.

Then why are you jumping thru these immi hoops if it's 'just like speeding'? Why don't you sneak Jinky in then?

I dunno about you, but I wouldn't call immigration fraud, lying to the government, social secuirty fraud, identity theft, and going against nat'l security akin to something as ridiculous as speeding. But then again, I should expect no better than this from you, so more fool me

[one...two...tree 2,762]

knowingly coming to the US illegally is more than just a simple mistake... it is a choice.

that's all i've got to say

You're right...and I'm glad to know that so many individuals think they make only good choices in life. I, for one, could never be so wrong as to present myself as having made only good choices, particularly in my younger years. Maybe I should rephrase that: would that some members here be punished so dearly for their bad choices in life. To me, it says the same thing.

As to the severity of being here illegally for those who've crossed the border (Mexicans), I'd equate it legally to that of driving over the speed limit. It's not a moral issue, but I'm not sure you're going to convince those who keep harping on that. Underlying that is really the issue of fairness and they relate that to their personal experience with legal immigration. It's almost fruitless to argue this issue in VJ for that reason, unfortunately.

Then why are you jumping thru these immi hoops if it's 'just like speeding'? Why don't you sneak Jinky in then?

I dunno about you, but I wouldn't call immigration fraud, lying to the government, social secuirty fraud, identity theft, and going against nat'l security akin to something as ridiculous as speeding. But then again, I should expect no better than this from you, so more fool me

If only the real world were as simple as you make it out to be.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I am writing an essay for a class of mine and the subject matter is -Giving A Path Of Citizenship To Illegal Immigrants-. I am curious what people's opinions are on this subject. Do you feel it would be unfair to reward illegal behavior while there are so many people going about this process legally and get denied or how do you feel? Any responses would be appreciated. Thanks

absolutely!

DITTO!

[Marc and Olga 0]

As to the severity of being here illegally for those who've crossed the border (Mexicans), I'd equate it legally to that of driving over the speed limit. It's not a moral issue, but I'm not sure you're going to convince those who keep harping on that. Underlying that is really the issue of fairness and they relate that to their personal experience with legal immigration. It's almost fruitless to argue this issue in VJ for that reason, unfortunately.

Then why are you jumping thru these immi hoops if it's 'just like speeding'? Why don't you sneak Jinky in then?

I dunno about you, but I wouldn't call immigration fraud, lying to the government, social secuirty fraud, identity theft, and going against nat'l security akin to something as ridiculous as speeding. But then again, I should expect no better than this from you, so more fool me

If only the real world were as simple as you make it out to be.

Um...wait did you JUST say that after saying the other thing you said?!

I mean Illegal Immigration = Speeding, that's pretty simplified.

Why even bother with having borders?

I still say take away the jobs and they will stop coming (or at least slow considerably!) and giving free citizenship will only ENCOURAGE more to come in the hopes that they too can get their free US Citizenship!

How do we take away the jobs, you may ask? Enforce the laws already in place, slap the companies that hire them with the fines they deserve.

I also stated previously that the illegal immigrants should be punished and someone said it is a "mistake", I have never heard 1 of them say "I 'accidently' crossed the border", it was a choice! IF I choose to speed and get caught, I know I MUST face the legal consequences...as must they, IF they are caught.

The saying goes, don't do the crime, if you can't do the time...

And Heina, I thought your issue was a jerk Doctor and jerk CO...unless the thread I read your story on was wrong. Is there something else I missed?

[Fandango 1,440]

As to the severity of being here illegally for those who've crossed the border (Mexicans), I'd equate it legally to that of driving over the speed limit. It's not a moral issue, but I'm not sure you're going to convince those who keep harping on that. Underlying that is really the issue of fairness and they relate that to their personal experience with legal immigration. It's almost fruitless to argue this issue in VJ for that reason, unfortunately.

Then why are you jumping thru these immi hoops if it's 'just like speeding'? Why don't you sneak Jinky in then?

I dunno about you, but I wouldn't call immigration fraud, lying to the government, social secuirty fraud, identity theft, and going against nat'l security akin to something as ridiculous as speeding. But then again, I should expect no better than this from you, so more fool me

If only the real world were as simple as you make it out to be.

Um...wait did you JUST say that after saying the other thing you said?!

I mean Illegal Immigration = Speeding, that's pretty simplified.

Why even bother with having borders?

I still say take away the jobs and they will stop coming (or at least slow considerably!) and giving free citizenship will only ENCOURAGE more to come in the hopes that they too can get their free US Citizenship!

How do we take away the jobs, you may ask? Enforce the laws already in place, slap the companies that hire them with the fines they deserve.

I also stated previously that the illegal immigrants should be punished and someone said it is a "mistake", I have never heard 1 of them say "I 'accidently' crossed the border", it was a choice! IF I choose to speed and get caught, I know I MUST face the legal consequences...as must they, IF they are caught.

The saying goes, don't do the crime, if you can't do the time...

And Heina, I thought your issue was a jerk Doctor and jerk CO...unless the thread I read your story on was wrong. Is there something else I missed?

I Marc&Olga....

[no name 1]

Um...wait did you JUST say that after saying the other thing you said?!

I mean Illegal Immigration = Speeding, that's pretty simplified.

My thoughts exactly.

Edited September 28, 2006 by devilette

[Bootylicious!! 2]

Main Entry: 1mis·take

Pronunciation: m&-'stAk

Function: verb

Inflected Form(s): mis·took /-'stuk/; mis·tak·en /-'stA-k&n/; mis·tak·ing

Etymology: Middle English

transitive verb

1 : to blunder in the choice of <mistook her way in the dark>

2 a : to misunderstand the meaning or intention of : MISINTERPRET <don't mistake me, I mean exactly what I said> b : to make a wrong judgment of the character or ability of

3 : to identify wrongly : confuse with another <I mistook him for his brother>

intransitive verb : to be wrong <you mistook when you thought I laughed at you -- Thomas Hardy>

- mis·tak·en·ly adverb

- mis·tak·er noun

Main Entry: ac·ci·dent

Pronunciation: 'ak-s&-d&nt, -"dent; 'aks-d&nt

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French, from Latin accident-, accidens nonessential quality, chance, from present participle of accidere to happen, from ad- + cadere to fall -- more at CHANCE

1 a : an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance b : lack of intention or necessity : CHANCE <met by accident rather than by design>

2 a : an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance b : an unexpected and medically important bodily event especially when injurious <a cerebrovascular accident> c : an unexpected happening causing loss or injury which is not due to any fault or misconduct on the part of the person injured but for which legal relief may be sought d -- used euphemistically to refer to an involuntary act or instance of urination or defecation

3 : a nonessential property or quality of an entity or circumstance <the accident of nationality>

Now that we all know the definitions can we stop confusing the two. No one ever said they "accidentally" crossed the border. We said they made a mistake, in other words, a bad choice. Everyone in their lifetime has done such. Thank goodness bad choices can be overcome. But, as some of you think, they shouldn't. I'm sure glad some of the choices I made in my lifetime could be overcome because I'd have a pretty sucky life right now if it weren't for that. Too bad some people feel you should pay for your bad choices your whole life.

[no name 1]

Who keeps saying people have to pay for their mistakes forever? Come on, where are you hiding now..........?

Oh yeah, not here.

Edited September 28, 2006 by devilette

[Bootylicious!! 2]

By saying they should never EVER gain citizenship is saying they should pay for the mistake of crossing the border forever. By never being allowed to gain citizenship in this country.

[Fandango 1,440]

I don't think they should be granted citizenship, but I have no problem with them obtaining visas thru legal channels