"... one of every four American wage earners is making less in real terms than did minimum wage earners in 1968..."

[one...two...tree 2,762]

No, reality is 2 things here:

#1 - It shouldn't cost hundreds of thousands annually

#2 - Don't have kids if you cannot afford to fufill their needs.

You should meet and talk with a parent of a child with severe cerebral palsy. You have no idea the amount of care that it takes to keep someone with CP can be when they are incontinent, must be tube fed, have their mouth continuously suctioned because they have difficulty swallowing.

What do you suggest parents do that have a child with cerebral palsy?

[Susita 175]

I'm not sure if people are aware, but you will not pay the same rate for a procedure without insurance as you will with insurance. Insurance companies make "allowable billable amounts" that are significantly lower than what these procedures normally cost. Here's an example. When my daughter was born we both developed an infection during labor. Afterwards, she had to remain in the NICU for one week on IV antibiotics. I will break down her 1 week NICU bill for you. Please note, this does not include the pediatrician, neonatologists or specialists. I got separate bills for those.

Total Charges: $34,050.43

Allowable: $25,537.82

That's almost $9,000.00 more that someone without insurance would have to pay. I'm just saying.... I don't know many people that have $35,000.00 just laying around at their disposal.

[Susita 175]

You should meet and talk with a parent of a child with severe cerebral palsy. You have no idea the amount of care that it takes to keep someone with CP can be when they are incontinent, must be tube fed, have their mouth continuously suctioned because they have difficulty swallowing.

What do you suggest parents do that have a child with cerebral palsy?

My cousin's son has duchenne's muscular dystrophy. It will eventually come to that at some point with him too, as his muscles will continue to deteriorate over time.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

My cousin's son has duchenne's muscular dystrophy. It will eventually come to that at some point with him too, as his muscles will continue to deteriorate over time.

Sorry to hear that.

I see a lot of patients in the hospital with CP, all of them have lived into adulthood and some live to be in their 60's and beyond. The average cost to care for someone with CP is about $45,000 annually, but they often require someone caring for them 24/7, which takes away the earning potential of that parent.

Paul probably has little outside contact with real people, having real problems, or he'd be faced with having to rethink his very naive view of the costs of having and caring for children.

[Susita 175]

Sorry to hear that.

I see a lot of patients in the hospital with CP, all of them have lived into adulthood and some live to be in their 60's and beyond. The average cost to care for someone with CP is about $45,000 annually, but they often require someone caring for them 24/7, which takes away the earning potential of that parent.

Paul probably has little outside contact with real people, having real problems, or he'd be faced with having to rethink his very naive view of the costs of having and caring for children.

I find that nowadays there's far less compassion for others and there's more of a "it's your problem, not mine" mentality.

I know that half of the problem are the actual healthcare costs themselves being way, way too high. But insurance companies do have a major part in this too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwGLdYBm1bY

[Obama 2012 1,714]

You should meet and talk with a parent of a child with severe cerebral palsy. You have no idea the amount of care that it takes to keep someone with CP can be when they are incontinent, must be tube fed, have their mouth continuously suctioned because they have difficulty swallowing.

What do you suggest parents do that have a child with cerebral palsy?

the last time I checked the left-wing like to abort kids that 'might' have a degenerative disease.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

You're a sick individual. I wonder if you have the balls to go up to a little kid with CP or duchenne's, or any disease for that matter and tell them if you don't care if they live or die.

I don't think so. I think you just spew garbage over the internet.

Why would I bother to tell them how I feel? I don't wish to talk to them or care to.

You missed the part where I said I don't care.

How is not giving a damn about an individual of 310 million individuals being sick? Please. Give me a break.

People can get on their high horse all day long, but until you're giving a dollar to every single bum, until you're going to the food shelter and donating food/time weekly, then don't give me this whole BS story about me being sick. So many people who would try and call me "sick" are damn hypocrites who don't do a damn thing to help their fellow man.

Do I donate to charities? Sure I do. I donate to a few different ones, including ones that help pre-mature infants.

That doesn't mean I "care" though. It doesn't effect me either way.

Oh and for Steven, my spouse is very much aware of how I feel about people and the world, so there's no reason to pity anything.

All I'm saying is that I don't care and there's nothing wrong with that.

[The_Dude 1,142]

the last time I checked the left-wing like to abort kids that 'might' have a degenerative disease.

Your posts are an eloquent argument in favor of post-birth abortions Paul.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

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[jodee 30]

good lord, VJ is full of A$$wipes these days. what has happened to this forum?. This place used to be a mental challenge with real food for thought. who are these bitter, twisted individuals?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Why would I bother to tell them how I feel? I don't wish to talk to them or care to.

You missed the part where I said I don't care.

How is not giving a damn about an individual of 310 million individuals being sick? Please. Give me a break.

People can get on their high horse all day long, but until you're giving a dollar to every single bum, until you're going to the food shelter and donating food/time weekly, then don't give me this whole BS story about me being sick. So many people who would try and call me "sick" are damn hypocrites who don't do a damn thing to help their fellow man.

Do I donate to charities? Sure I do. I donate to a few different ones, including ones that help pre-mature infants.

That doesn't mean I "care" though. It doesn't effect me either way.

Oh and for Steven, my spouse is very much aware of how I feel about people and the world, so there's no reason to pity anything.

All I'm saying is that I don't care and there's nothing wrong with that.

You say that until it's someone close to you - a relative, spouse or child. Of course, if you are an anti-social loner who despises people in general, then there's nobody to care about but yourself because eventually nobody wants to be around that kind of BS.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

good lord, VJ is full of A$$wipes these days. what has happened to this forum?. This place used to be a mental challenge with real food for thought. who are these bitter, twisted individuals?

Off topic, but I was looking at your avatar just now and I was curious what; "white girl with ghetto a$$" means? What exactly is a "ghetto a$$"?

[slim 1,525]

Off topic, but I was looking at your avatar just now and I was curious what; "white girl with ghetto a$$" means? What exactly is a "ghetto a$$"?

I can't wait to see pictures!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I can't wait to see pictures!

When I googled it all that came up was "urban dictionary" and on there it's saying is ghetto ####### = fat #######.

[jodee 30]

ghetto booty -a term used when you see a girl with a firm, big, tight packed ####. {most black girls have ghetto booties} "dawg, look at that girls ghetto booty!

so no, I dont have a FAT ####!