'I've got a surprise for you': Husband blindfolds his wife.... and then chops off her fingers to stop her studying for a degree

[Darnell 8,479]

The attack is the latest in a series of acts targeting educated women in the Muslim-majority company.

It's all the same company? #######?!?!?

what's the shareholders have to say about this? yak..

[sara..... 371]

So your saying the reason there aren't laws in Pakistan protecting women's rights and the laws that they do have aren't upheld is for the fact they leave it up to the family to take care of those crimes?

im saying that is what it is like in most homes.......im not stating that every single family has a good system in place but because of the way that the family unit works (or is suppose to work) it is the main reason from what i can see that there has never been a law put into place. it may not be the way our system works in our country it may not be what we would like to see happen.....Islam is the religion there so most homes live according to how we are told to live and it is a fair religion when put into practice the way it was intended not the way that some think it should be...but it is the way it is there and when you stop and think of how many people are in that small of an area the deaths and abuse that you hear about are not near as many as you would think it would be with that amount of people.....and no i dont think its right for any abuse towards man or women and sadly it does happen but for the most part their system works for them

again just my opinion

sara

Edited December 18, 2011 by sara.....

[sara..... 371]

sorry dont know why it double posted but i dont know how to remove it

Edited December 18, 2011 by sara.....

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

im saying that is what it is like in most homes.......im not stating that every single family has a good system in place but because of the way that the family unit works (or is suppose to work) it is the main reason from what i can see that there has never been a law put into place. it may not be the way our system works in our country it may not be what we would like to see happen.....but it is the way it is there and when you stop and think of how many people are in that small of an area the deaths and abuse that you hear about are not near as many as you would think it would be with that amount of people.....and no i dont think its right for any abuse towards man or women and sadly it does happen but for the most part their system works for them

again just my opinion

sara

I'm not sure what you mean by; "but for the most part their system seems to work for them" in your post.

It's pretty obvious it works for the men but not for the women. When you can be a victim of an acid attack, gang rape, beating, and murder and the perps of said crime(s) don't have to worry about being prosecuted and being punished for said crime how does it "work for them"?

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/health/jan-june09/pakistan_0406.html

One in every five homicides in Pakistan is a so-called "honor killing," according to a new epidemiological study published in the European Journal of Public Health.

Any lasting shift in how honor killings are viewed would have to come from the community itself, said Kumar. The pressure to maintain the practice is so great that in some instances, family members may feel they have no other options, despite not wanting to harm their child or sister, he said.

"Their respect in the community was tarnished by that family member so they want to regain that," said Kumar. "If you don't do it then you have been laughed upon."

While honor killings are illegal and considered murder in Pakistan, there are loopholes that often prevent full punishment for the crime. The family of the victim can decide to pardon someone convicted of a crime, Kumar said. In the case of honor killings, the accused is usually part of that family.

Progress on this issue will be slow, Kumar said. "It boils down to what's the definition of honor and changing that."

Edited December 18, 2011 by Why_Me

[jojolicious 38]

I sure hope so, because if I wasn't being sarcastic then that means I support the man cutting off his wife's hands- and boy am I gonna hear it from my own wife if that's true!

Good! I was just checking

[jojolicious 38]

I think you are making an assumption here... that "insecurity" was the culprit.

People get married with a general understanding of how their married life will be structured.it may well be "she" changed her mind or "broke the agreement".

Obviously the guy was a kook (which might have been her inspiration) but the notion that he was insecure is an assumption with no foundation that I recall from the story.

SOme guys (and women) are just flat out control freaks and he took her move to go to school as a slap into the face of his authority.... as a man.

Problem is most people view these cases based on their own culture and their concepts about what Marriage should be, in fact it burns raw the azz of feminists (and their sympathizing men)

to know that on the global scale most women recognize the male as the family leader and boss, at least in some aspects of the family.

To jump to the conclusion the man feared the women's earning potential.....is closer to Feminist clap-trap than honest evaluation of what the situation might truly be.

My vote is he was just a nut miffed at his wife challenging his authority.

One of the odd details is he family acting in some manner as accomplices to the crime.... which might suggest there is more to the story than has been reported.

Q: Does anyone know if the cutting off of fingers signify something in this culture?

You're absolutely right! All I can do is speculate and make assumptions (just like everybody else ) because I wasn't there and I'm not aware of his mindset.

[sara..... 371]

I'm not sure what you mean by; "but for the most part their system seems to work for them" in your post.

It's pretty obvious it works for the men but not for the women. When you can be a victim of an acid attack, gang rape, beating, and murder and the perps of said crime(s) don't have to worry about being prosecuted and being punished for said crime how does it "work for them"?

in our country the USA you don't find many acid attacks but you find the gang rape, the beatings and murder.....sure some make to court and to jail but really how many do not? we have a law here to protect the women but it is set so that most rape victims unless they report it right away (as in know not to take a shower removing the physical evidence)or have something to prove it was the man that did it ......it goes unpunished

most wife's that are beaten here have no help unless they can make it to the phone and an officer locks up the man for doing it but the sad fact is even with all the laws we have here in the USA so many women go with out help because of lack of ability to get the help they need or they are ashamed or afraid to reach out for that help for fear that nothing will be done and next time the beating will be worse.

From the way that news is reported and facts are suppose to be true that are found on the net when you search it leads one that has never lived there to assume that its a lawless country with no respect or justice for the women that is simply not true in most cases......most cases the perpetrator never makes it to court.....justice has been dished out by the women s family

their system when things do make it to court allow for someone that killed that is on death row to be able to satisfy the victims family or victim with money or property changing hands and his sentence is reduced or forgiven what ever the family or victim makes the choice of....as i have stated before we as a nation the USA may not like or agree with their system......there are also good things in it you might not think so but i know that when we lived there any time a man was going to have to work on a roof top he had to yell out that he was going to be up there working so that if women were there having a meeting or just enjoying the sun they could elect to go in their home or stay depending on them self....what we may see as women not having rights as in being able to be in a room full of men with out a man that is a family member as oppression is in fact protection of the women so that she is not harmed by any man in the room......harmed can mean anything from looking at her with lust to actually attempting to harm her

sara

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

in our country the USA you don't find many acid attacks but you find the gang rape, the beatings and murder.....sure some make to court and to jail but really how many do not? we have a law here to protect the women but it is set so that most rape victims unless they report it right away (as in know not to take a shower removing the physical evidence)or have something to prove it was the man that did it ......it goes unpunished

most wife's that are beaten here have no help unless they can make it to the phone and an officer locks up the man for doing it but the sad fact is even with all the laws we have here in the USA so many women go with out help because of lack of ability to get the help they need or they are ashamed or afraid to reach out for that help for fear that nothing will be done and next time the beating will be worse.

From the way that news is reported and facts are suppose to be true that are found on the net when you search it leads one that has never lived there to assume that its a lawless country with no respect or justice for the women that is simply not true in most cases......most cases the perpetrator never makes it to court.....justice has been dished out by the women s family

their system when things do make it to court allow for someone that killed that is on death row to be able to satisfy the victims family or victim with money or property changing hands and his sentence is reduced or forgiven what ever the family or victim makes the choice of....as i have stated before we as a nation the USA may not like or agree with their system......there are also good things in it you might not think so but i know that when we lived there any time a man was going to have to work on a roof top he had to yell out that he was going to be up there working so that if women were there having a meeting or just enjoying the sun they could elect to go in their home or stay depending on them self....what we may see as women not having rights as in being able to be in a room full of men with out a man that is a family member as oppression is in fact protection of the women so that she is not harmed by any man in the room......harmed can mean anything from looking at her with lust to actually attempting to harm her

sara

Strange because in every community in Alaska and Washington state there are not only women centers, but men get prosecuted for DV's on a daily basis. Women support centers are all over the country and so are commercials on TV on where women can seek help. Men that get prosecuted for DV and I'm sure a sex crime pay a price in jail and then there's the counseling along with probation.

In the US can a man along with his friends gang rape his wife, sister, cousin, etc.. and get away from it after it's reported? Not hardly. Is there a punishment for said crime and do the courts punish the perps involved. Yes to all.

A woman in a crowd of men you say with a family member to protect her from "rape"? We have plenty of women in a room full of men on the job site (construction) and I have yet to hear of one of them being raped by "a room full of men".

In Pakistan a woman that is in a room full of men and is not escorted by a family member takes the chance of being gang raped by her family, acid in the face or even worse. And what happens to those perps that gang rape their family member in Pakistan? Well we both know the answer to that one.

So what we have hear is some women in the USA choose not to report a rape for the fact they feel... "embarrassed" I'm guessing? But we do know that the police in the US along with the court system prosecutes thousands of DV and rape cases on a monthly basis and those people do the time for the crime. DV in the USA can be looking at your spouse in a threatening manor, or even calling her a bad name. Then it's off in cuffs and off to jail until court time.

I not only find your response ludicrous by trying to compare the USA and Pakistan in regards to women's rights, I find it an insult to my intelligence.

Edited December 18, 2011 by Why_Me

[james&olya 1,121]

Strange because in every community in Alaska and Washington state there are not only women centers, but men get prosecuted for DV's on a daily basis. Women support centers are all over the country and so are commercials on TV on where women can seek help. Men that get prosecuted for DV and I'm sure a sex crime pay a price in jail and then there's the counseling along with probation.

In the US can a man along with his friends gang rape his wife, sister, cousin, etc.. and get away from it after it's reported? Not hardly. Is there a punishment for said crime and do the courts punish the perps involved. Yes to all.

A woman in a crowd of men you say with a family member to protect her from "rape"? We have plenty of women in a room full of men on the job site (construction) and I have yet to hear of one of them being raped by "a room full of men".

In Pakistan a woman that is in a room full of men and is not escorted by a family member takes the chance of being gang raped by her family, acid in the face or even worse. And what happens to those perps that gang rape their family member in Pakistan? Well we both know the answer to that one.

So what we have hear is some women in the USA choose not to report a rape for the fact they feel... "embarrassed" I'm guessing? But we do know that the police in the US along with the court system prosecutes thousands of DV and rape cases on a monthly basis and those people do the time for the crime. DV in the USA can be looking at your spouse in a threatening manor, or even calling her a bad name. Then it's off in cuffs and off to jail until court time.

I not only find your response ludicrous by trying to compare the USA and Pakistan in regards to women's rights, I find it an insult to my intelligence.

Not only that, in the US there are laws made to protect NON-citizen women who want to have a relationship with an American man who might not be disclosing any past history of DV he has!

[sara..... 371]

Strange because in every community in Alaska and Washington state there are not only women centers, but men get prosecuted for DV's on a daily basis. Women support centers are all over the country and so are commercials on TV on where women can seek help. Men that get prosecuted for DV and I'm sure a sex crime pay a price in jail and then there's the counseling along with probation.

In the US can a man along with his friends gang rape his wife, sister, cousin, etc.. and get away from it after it's reported? Not hardly. Is there a punishment for said crime and do the courts punish the perps involved. Yes to all.

A woman in a crowd of men you say with a family member to protect her from "rape"? We have plenty of women in a room full of men on the job site (construction) and I have yet to hear of one of them being raped by "a room full of men".

In Pakistan a woman that is in a room full of men and is not escorted by a family member takes the chance of being gang raped by her family, acid in the face or even worse. And what happens to those perps that gang rape their family member in Pakistan? Well we both know the answer to that one.

So what we have hear is some women in the USA choose not to report a rape for the fact they feel... "embarrassed" I'm guessing? But we do know that the police in the US along with the court system prosecutes thousands of DV and rape cases on a monthly basis and those people do the time for the crime. DV in the USA can be looking at your spouse in a threatening manor, or even calling her a bad name. Then it's off in cuffs and off to jail until court time.

I not only find your response ludicrous by trying to compare the USA and Pakistan in regards to women's rights, I find it an insult to my intelligence.

then that's the problem im not trying to compare the USA to Pakistan in regards to women rights...i used only some examples to get my point across but if you found it to be comparing then it is plain that either i did not get my point across or you failed to see what it was i was saying

at no time have i insulted you only gave you what i saw while living in Pakistan i did not try to bring this down to a personal level between you and i but only gave information that might help explain some of the issues there

to state that i insult your intelligence leads one to believe that i sat out to discredit you or sway your opinion rather than to give you information about the country of Pakistan

once again as i have always said this is just my opinion

sara

Edited December 18, 2011 by sara.....

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Fair enough, and I apologize if I came off as an arsehole.

[Darnell 8,479]

I find it ironic that you Muslim-haters are not focusing on Bangladesh, the country in which this de-fingering occured.

#######?

Focus, Maynard, come on !

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Link please.

I'm just curious if those were drug/Cartel related murders or honor killings due to religion, and if that many women were murdered in Juarez, Mexico last year.

This has nothing to do with religion, but chopping off penises is pretty popular with Christian women. Just sayin'

[Darnell 8,479]

Repetition, on my part...

I find it ironic that you Muslim-haters are not focusing on Bangladesh, the country in which this de-fingering occured.

#######?

Focus, Maynard, come on !

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Lebanese split over draft law on violence against women Lebanon's parliament is considering a bill that would make family violence, including rape within marriage, a criminal offence. But, as Caroline Anning reports from Beirut, it has run into fierce opposition from religious leaders and conservative politicians.

It wasn't until 1993 that marital rape was criminalized in all 50 states of the US, and that was after debate lasting nearly 20 years. It still isn't treated as a major crime. It has a high proof threshold and is still one of the most under reported crimes.