'I've got a surprise for you': Husband blindfolds his wife.... and then chops off her fingers to stop her studying for a degree

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

it most assuredly would, and in fact does. there's been over 600 women murdered just in juarez, and over 3000 women missing there since the early 90s. and that's but one city in mexico, that's but one country in widely misogynistic and femicidal latin america. get real.

Link please.

I'm just curious if those were drug/Cartel related murders or honor killings due to religion, and if that many women were murdered in Juarez, Mexico last year.

Edited December 17, 2011 by Why_Me

[Kathryn41 3,205]

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Edited December 17, 2011 by Kathryn41

[Danno 1,228]

An insecure man cannot be happy with a woman who is more successful or educated than he is. I don't care what race or nationality he is. He is an insecure man and men like him can be found at your local grocery store

I think you are making an assumption here... that "insecurity" was the culprit.

People get married with a general understanding of how their married life will be structured.it may well be "she" changed her mind or "broke the agreement".

Obviously the guy was a kook (which might have been her inspiration) but the notion that he was insecure is an assumption with no foundation that I recall from the story.

SOme guys (and women) are just flat out control freaks and he took her move to go to school as a slap into the face of his authority.... as a man.

Problem is most people view these cases based on their own culture and their concepts about what Marriage should be, in fact it burns raw the azz of feminists (and their sympathizing men)

to know that on the global scale most women recognize the male as the family leader and boss, at least in some aspects of the family.

To jump to the conclusion the man feared the women's earning potential.....is closer to Feminist clap-trap than honest evaluation of what the situation might truly be.

My vote is he was just a nut miffed at his wife challenging his authority.

One of the odd details is he family acting in some manner as accomplices to the crime.... which might suggest there is more to the story than has been reported.

Q: Does anyone know if the cutting off of fingers signify something in this culture?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I think you are making an assumption here... that "insecurity" was the culprit.

People get married with a general understanding of how their married life will be structured.it may well be "she" changed her mind or "broke the agreement".

Obviously the guy was a kook (which might have been her inspiration) but the notion that he was insecure is an assumption with no foundation that I recall from the story.

SOme guys (and women) are just flat out control freaks and he took her move to go to school as a slap into the face of his authority.... as a man.

Problem is most people view these cases based on their own culture and their concepts about what Marriage should be, in fact it burns raw the azz of feminists (and their sympathizing men)

to know that on the global scale most women recognize the male as the family leader and boss, at least in some aspects of the family.

To jump to the conclusion the man feared the women's earning potential.....is closer to Feminist clap-trap than honest evaluation of what the situation might truly be.

My vote is he was just a nut miffed at his wife challenging his authority.

One of the odd details is he family acting in some manner as accomplices to the crime.... which might suggest there is more to the story than has been reported.

Q: Does anyone know if the cutting off of fingers signify something in this culture?

His brother must have been just as "kooky" seeing how he was in on it also.

[Karee 4,191]

Seriously, you're gonna compare this to Juarez? In Mexico they kill people for money. In Israel they kill people for land.

Get your head and a$$ wired together.

[sandinista! 1,816]

you're seriously saying that hundreds of women there have been raped and murdered for their cash? because everyone knows that ladies walking home from the bus stop after a long day at the maquiladora are flush with cash. that the perpetuation of it and near total ambivalence about it from law enforcement all these years has nothing to do with an entire region that's by and large pretty goddam violent and vicious to women.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/health/2011/03/08/grisly-murders-spotlight-violence-women-latin-america/

were susana chavez and marisela escobedo ortiz killed for money too? cutting off chavez's hand, or shooting ortiz at an anti-crime vigil for her daughter, who was murdered, dismembered and burnt-that's a money thing?

[sara..... 371]

what people really should try to understand is that there are nut jobs in every country in every religion in every walk of life.....in the mid east if you have a nut job teaching the Quran incorrectly then it is the fault of the man teaching not the fault of the students learning ........today there was 5 killings in Ill. http://news.yahoo.com/ap-newsbreak-neighbor-saw-woman-shoot-baby-174729231.html that does not mean that what ever this wack jobs choice of religion or non religion was ....is at fault......beating each other up on the forum for what ever religion we are is not the answer to peace thats for sure

just my opinion

sara

Edited December 18, 2011 by sara.....

[Kathryn41 3,205]

another baiting post has been removed.

[웃 910]

you're seriously saying that hundreds of women there have been raped and murdered for their cash? because everyone knows that ladies walking home from the bus stop after a long day at the maquiladora are flush with cash. that the perpetuation of it and near total ambivalence about it from law enforcement all these years has nothing to do with an entire region that's by and large pretty goddam violent and vicious to women.

http://latino.foxnew...-latin-america/

were susana chavez and marisela escobedo ortiz killed for money too? cutting off chavez's hand, or shooting ortiz at an anti-crime vigil for her daughter, who was murdered, dismembered and burnt-that's a money thing?

I'm sure that most cases of domestic violence are reported in the Middle East.

Lebanon:

Lebanese split over draft law on violence against women Lebanon's parliament is considering a bill that would make family violence, including rape within marriage, a criminal offence. But, as Caroline Anning reports from Beirut, it has run into fierce opposition from religious leaders and conservative politicians.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-15926938

Pakistan:

In Pakistan, Domestic Violence is not only a fairly common phenomenon but is accepted by many as a religious norm. Religious extremists support domestic violence.

"Victims of domestic violence have long faced a double injustice - abuse at home and then no protection from the government… It is appalling that ministers from a political party committed to empowering and protecting women and led by a woman for 25 years are trying to undermine their own government's legislative agenda " - Ali Dayan Hasan, senior South Asia researcher at Human Rights Watch.

Nigeria:

Half of Nigeria's women experience domestic violence.

http://afrol.com/articles/16471

Afghanistan is the world's most dangerous country for women to live in due to violence, dismal healthcare and brutal poverty, a poll has found.

The tribal country was followed by Congo where mass rapes are a daily reality for tens of thousands of women.

Pakistan, India and Somalia ranked third, fourth and fifth, respectively, in the global survey of perceptions of threats ranging from domestic abuse and economic discrimination to female foeticide, genital mutilation and acid attacks.

Pakistan ranked third largely on the basis of cultural, tribal and religious practices harmful to women. These include acid attacks, child and forced marriage and punishment or retribution by stoning or other physical abuse.

'Pakistan has some of the highest rates of dowry murder, so-called honour killings and early marriage,' said Divya Bajpai, reproductive health adviser at the International HIV/Aids Alliance.

Some 1,000 women and girls die in honour killings annually, according to Pakistan's Human Rights Commission.

http://www.dailymail...orld-women.html

Best Places for Women:

1. Iceland

2. Sweden

3. Canada

4. Denmark

5. Finland

6. Switzerland

7. Norway

8. United States

9. Australia

10. Netherlands

Worst Places for Women:

1 - Chad

2 - Afghanistan

3 - Yemen

Edited December 18, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[sara..... 371]

I'm sure that most cases of domestic violence are reported in the Middle East.

Lebanon:

Lebanese split over draft law on violence against women Lebanon's parliament is considering a bill that would make family violence, including rape within marriage, a criminal offence. But, as Caroline Anning reports from Beirut, it has run into fierce opposition from religious leaders and conservative politicians.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-15926938

Pakistan:

In Pakistan, Domestic Violence is not only a fairly common phenomenon but is accepted by many as a religious norm. Religious extremists support domestic violence.

"Victims of domestic violence have long faced a double injustice - abuse at home and then no protection from the government… It is appalling that ministers from a political party committed to empowering and protecting women and led by a woman for 25 years are trying to undermine their own government's legislative agenda " - Ali Dayan Hasan, senior South Asia researcher at Human Rights Watch.

Nigeria:

Half of Nigeria's women experience domestic violence.

http://afrol.com/articles/16471

Afghanistan is the world's most dangerous country for women to live in due to violence, dismal healthcare and brutal poverty, a poll has found.

The tribal country was followed by Congo where mass rapes are a daily reality for tens of thousands of women.

Pakistan, India and Somalia ranked third, fourth and fifth, respectively, in the global survey of perceptions of threats ranging from domestic abuse and economic discrimination to female foeticide, genital mutilation and acid attacks.

Pakistan ranked third largely on the basis of cultural, tribal and religious practices harmful to women. These include acid attacks, child and forced marriage and punishment or retribution by stoning or other physical abuse.

'Pakistan has some of the highest rates of dowry murder, so-called honour killings and early marriage,' said Divya Bajpai, reproductive health adviser at the International HIV/Aids Alliance.

Some 1,000 women and girls die in honour killings annually, according to Pakistan's Human Rights Commission.

http://www.dailymail...orld-women.html

Best Places for Women:

1. Iceland

2. Sweden

3. Canada

4. Denmark

5. Finland

6. Switzerland

7. Norway

8. United States

9. Australia

10. Netherlands

Worst Places for Women:

1 - Chad

2 - Afghanistan

3 - Yemen

hmmm i dont know about the other countries but when we lived in pakistan.....i didnt see a lot of violence against women....most are treated like queens....pakistan is family unit living.....means men bring their wifes home to live in the family unit......if one women in the home has a complaint about any one of the men most the women will not do anything for that man until the men force the man to change or do something that is acceptable to make up for what ever it was that he did to offend the woman ......the main reason that nothing is reported or a law set up to protect is in most cases the family takes care of the idiot that abuses his wife......or child.....we as a nation the USA can set and read all kinds of things but to go there and live and experience what it is really like there is a totally different thing.....now if you want to talk about the way that the government of pakistan allows the poor people of pakistan to suffer from lack of food or not making medical treatment available to them while spending loads of money on military or other things concerning the government then i have a lot to say

just my opinion

sara

[웃 910]

hmmm i dont know about the other countries but when we lived in pakistan.....i didnt see a lot of violence against women....most are treated like queens....pakistan is family unit living.....means men bring their wifes home to live in the family unit......if one women in the home has a complaint about any one of the men most the women will not do anything for that man until the men force the man to change or do something that is acceptable to make up for what ever it was that he did to offend the woman ......the main reason that nothing is reported or a law set up to protect is in most cases the family takes care of the idiot that abuses his wife......or child.....we as a nation the USA can set and read all kinds of things but to go there and live and experience what it is really like there is a totally different thing.....now if you want to talk about the way that the government of pakistan allows the poor people of pakistan to suffer from lack of food or not making medical treatment available to them while spending loads of money on military or other things concerning the government then i have a lot to say

just my opinion

sara

Pakistan is a large place. About 2 times as large as California. And about 174 million people live there.

December 13, 2011

The Upper House of the Parliament passed two flagship bills on Monday, in order to protect the sanctity and rights of women living in Pakistan. Both the bills entail significant policies and mandates to protect women from practices such as forced wedlock, honour killing, marriage with the Quran and inflicting pain and torture by throwing acid on them. Over the years, thousands of women in Pakistan have been subjected to the atrocities, which are often unheard of in civilized communities. Women, irrespective of their urban or rural affiliations, have been innocent targets, unable to raise their voice due to the lack of policies safeguarding their interests. Men have stoned, burnt, buried and brutally murdered them for their vested interests and heinous motives, which are an open violation of the human rights policies formulated by the United Nations and other multilateral agencies defending and advocating human rights across the globe.In a country where influential ministers and senators have advocated the shooting and later on dumping women in ditches as a justifiable act, one which requires no punishment and remorse, justice is quite evidently denied to many of the victims. Being a witness to these crimes is merely a sport and an adventure to the privileged few of the rural society. These centuries’ old traditions are not allowed to be questioned and are known to be hushed-up by the feudal lords and the family of the victims as well, as reporting such violence results in severe repercussions for all those involved.According to a report by the human rights organisation, 300 Pakistani women are torched alive by their husband’s families annually. Unwanted wives are “taken care of” by denying them the right to live, hence the tradition of “burning at the stakes” continues. Every second Pakistani woman is a victim of direct or inadvertent assaultwhich can be categorized as physical and emotional. Our religion gives women the right to demand and get a divorce; however, women are generally ripped off of this privilege when her guardians chalk out the clause specifying the aforementioned right in the “Nikkah-nama.” Uneducated and deprived women living in the rural areas of Pakistan are not the only ones who experience these brutalities. Many educated women in metropolitans such as Karachi, Lahore and Islamabad have also been victims of domestic violence and harassment at work and on the streets.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/12/13/womens-protection-sanctuary-or-a-distant-realm.html

Pakistani case shows limits of women’s rights

LAHORE, Pakistan — The amazing thing is that she stayed.

For the past nine years, Mukhtar Mai has lived in the same village where she was allegedly dragged into a house, raped and pushed out naked, while 200 higher-caste tribesmen sat in approval nearby and her father was too frightened to save her.

Mai stayed in the community through tortuous police and judicial investigations, recounting her humiliation to male officials who doubted her story or were beholden to her alleged attackers, and to judges who acquitted most of the 14 men accused in her tribal punishment of revenge rape.

She remained in Meerwala, a primitive sugar-growing village in the poorest part of Punjab province, even after she became internationally known as a symbol of women’s rights. Showered with awards and prizes, she used the money to build a private school.

This week, after a Supreme Court panel ruled Thursday that it did not believe the prosecution’s version of what happened to Mai on June 22, 2002, and set all but one of the remaining defendants free, she said she still intends to stay there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pakistani-case-shows-limits-of-womens-rights/2011/04/25/AF2H57lE_story.html

Horror Stories of Acid-attacks On Women in Pakistan

http://www.faithfreedom.org/articles/women-in-islam/horror-stories-of-acid-attacks-on-women-in-pakistan/

[dalegg 143]

So because there was a warning that means what exactly? You're being sarcastic, right?

I sure hope so, because if I wasn't being sarcastic then that means I support the man cutting off his wife's hands- and boy am I gonna hear it from my own wife if that's true!

[MyLittlePony 340]

Husband blindfolds his wife.... and then chops off her fingers to stop her studying for a degree

Sick twisted mofo.

[Leatherneck 693]

I couldn't even imagine living in some of those 'stuck in the stone age' hell hole, ####### backwards mentality, armpit countries as a man, let alone as a female.

Some of those places may never step out of the darkness and into the light, human rights wise, considering this is already the 21st century.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

hmmm i dont know about the other countries but when we lived in pakistan.....i didnt see a lot of violence against women....most are treated like queens....pakistan is family unit living.....means men bring their wifes home to live in the family unit......if one women in the home has a complaint about any one of the men most the women will not do anything for that man until the men force the man to change or do something that is acceptable to make up for what ever it was that he did to offend the woman ......the main reason that nothing is reported or a law set up to protect is in most cases the family takes care of the idiot that abuses his wife......or child.....we as a nation the USA can set and read all kinds of things but to go there and live and experience what it is really like there is a totally different thing.....now if you want to talk about the way that the government of pakistan allows the poor people of pakistan to suffer from lack of food or not making medical treatment available to them while spending loads of money on military or other things concerning the government then i have a lot to say

just my opinion

sara

So your saying the reason there aren't laws in Pakistan protecting women's rights and the laws that they do have aren't upheld is for the fact they leave it up to the family to take care of those crimes?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/454117.stm

Pakistan honour killings condemned

....... But in practice, many judges do view honour killings leniently and few of those responsible for them serve long sentences. Indeed, few are ever prosecuted at all.

Amnesty says that wide-ranging legal reforms and public awareness campaigns are needed if the number of honour killings is to be reduced.

The issue has been prominent in Pakistan ever since Samia Sarwar, a young woman filing for a divorce, was killed in her lawyer's office earlier this year.

Eyewitnesses said that Samia's mother was in the office watching as her daughter was shot dead.

But no one has been charged with her murder and a resolution condemning her killing was defeated in Pakistan's Senate.