Prenuptial Agreement

[Leatherneck 693]

All relationships start with LOVE and TRUST. But what happens when LOVE and TRUST leaves the relationship one day.

You should learn from your past. After going through a divorce ten years ago, you would think the courts would make it fair and balanced decision. No one person should profit or be better off in a divorce settlement.

With no contract, with no prenups I learned the courts are always not fair. I left "OUR" home with only a used pick-up truck and clothes on my back. Even when our income was 70% mine and 30% hers through the years.

I had to start my life over and it took me ten years to rebuild my life.

My future bride to be I love and trust that I will not require her to work outside the house. But if one day our relationship ends I have no problem returning her home at my cost to the same standard of living prior to leaving the family home and business in the Philippians.

IN YOUR CASE - you two have no "ASSETS" so a prenup may not be needed. Keep in mind any pension plans, 401K profit sharing, ect are fair game in a divorce.

I am lost as to why anyone would want to allow their assets, real and personal, to be handled by an uncaring judge and state laws.

I had a buddy with 25 years in the Marine Corps before he got married, was married to his wife for 5 years. He retired after 30 years of service

with what he thought would be 75% of his pay as a pension... wrong! They got a divorce about a year after he retired, she walked away with 1/2 of his

retirement.

No way in hell you can convince me there is any fairness in a woman arriving on the scene after this man's 25 years of sacrifice and service, then leaving after 5 years with 1/2 of his pension.

Judges in CA., have wide discretion in how they award alimony and for how long it will last based on the ability of one to pay and the need of the one getting it.

That is certainly not something I want a 3rd party involved in deciding for me. After all, they just follow the law.

[vacrimefighter 10]

Reports: Kobe Bryant, wife had no prenup {Bryant's $53 million in earnings this season makes him the second-highest paid athlete of the year, and his total worth is about $300 million according to Forbes. According to TMZ, Bryant's wife could take half of his worth.}

So all you non-believers DO YOU THINK 1/2 of Kobe Bryants assets is FAIR ??? She loses nothing - all gains for her...

Divorce without PRENUPS - FOOLISH !

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Reports: Kobe Bryant, wife had no prenup {Bryant's $53 million in earnings this season makes him the second-highest paid athlete of the year, and his total worth is about $300 million according to Forbes. According to TMZ, Bryant's wife could take half of his worth.}

So all you non-believers DO YOU THINK 1/2 of Kobe Bryants assets is FAIR ??? She loses nothing - all gains for her...

Divorce without PRENUPS - FOOLISH !

She should get it all. Kobe is a jerk. She is a former Miss America.

[TeapotGirl 66]

Reports: Kobe Bryant, wife had no prenup {Bryant's $53 million in earnings this season makes him the second-highest paid athlete of the year, and his total worth is about $300 million according to Forbes. According to TMZ, Bryant's wife could take half of his worth.}

So all you non-believers DO YOU THINK 1/2 of Kobe Bryants assets is FAIR ??? She loses nothing - all gains for her...

Divorce without PRENUPS - FOOLISH !

I did not follow the married life of these two since all I see in the the yahoo news are either the Kardashians, Paris Hilton or Pippa Middleton. They seem more private compared with other celebrities and we don't know what's going on between them behind close doors.

Let's just consider that settlement as a reward for being beautiful and patient wife to Kobe for the past 12yrs. Being married to a highly successful and famous athlete must not be easy: having dinner all by yourself and your husband prefers to hug a Spalding ball than you. That's just my wild assumption.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I did not follow the married life of these two since all I see in the the yahoo news are either the Kardashians, Paris Hilton or Pippa Middleton. They seem more private compared with other celebrities and we don't know what's going on between them behind close doors.

Let's just consider that settlement as a reward for being beautiful and patient wife to Kobe for the past 12yrs. Being married to a highly successful and famous athlete must not be easy: having dinner all by yourself and your husband prefers to hug a Spalding ball than you. That's just my wild assumption.

I guess you missed the part about Kobe allegedly raping a hotel worker in Eagle, Colorado. Even if the sex was consensual, that constituted infidelity, and probably would have voided any prenup. Kobe should be used to it, he kept having to buy her a new rock every time he gets caught with another woman. She probably already has more diamonds than Tiffany's.

And I misstated in another post: Rick Fox is the one that married Vanessa Williams.

[Dan & Jenni 457]

I guess you missed the part about Kobe allegedly raping a hotel worker in Eagle, Colorado. Even if the sex was consensual, that constituted infidelity, and probably would have voided any prenup. Kobe should be used to it, he kept having to buy her a new rock every time he gets caught with another woman. She probably already has more diamonds than Tiffany's.

sounds to me like he deserves everything he gets

[Dan & Jenni 457]

Reports: Kobe Bryant, wife had no prenup {Bryant's $53 million in earnings this season makes him the second-highest paid athlete of the year, and his total worth is about $300 million according to Forbes. According to TMZ, Bryant's wife could take half of his worth.}

So all you non-believers DO YOU THINK 1/2 of Kobe Bryants assets is FAIR ??? She loses nothing - all gains for her...

Divorce without PRENUPS - FOOLISH !

yeah good one... it seems like you missed a lot of important information out which really doesnt surprise me.

[canuckbos 10]

We did a prenup to give our children peace over their future inheritance. We both have assets which were ours long before we met; without a prenup; if one of us were to die unexpectedly, the other person would legally inherit all of the deceased's assets which rightfully belong to the surviving children of the deceased spouse. The prenup gives all of our 5 children the comfort of knowing the new step-parent in their lives is not after ther parent's money. We both wanted a prenup as a sign that money was not what we were interested in, we were in love and wanted to share our lives together. Assets obtained after the marriage are joint and excluded from the prenup. If we purchase property, we invest 50/50 and if one spouse dies, the other spouse gets the property. Any home we live in that belongs to the other spouse can be lived in by the surviving spouse until they die or chose to abandon it for a different home.

We were both widowed and the assets we entered into the marriage with; are rightfully the inheritance of our kids.

My SIL's dad remarried to a poor widow, he died of a sudden heart attack after 2 years, no prenup; the widow got all his assets; refused to share them with his three kids and instead gave the assets to her children. We are talking about more then cash and property, heirlooms belonging to the first wife/mother such as her hope chest, her wedding dishes, her treasured trinkets; all vanished from the original family and were transferred to the step family. Very hurtful behavior then no one saw coming.

Our children are protected and I feel good about this. It's the right thing to do. Of course we are older and it is different for younger marrieds.

One more thing, part of the prenup also provides for me (the younger spouse) financially should my new husband die before me. I agreed to retire 5 years earlier to enjoy life together and he has taken care of me so that I will not be financially penalized if he should die before I am eligible to draw my pension.

Prenups are to protect people in case something goes wrong and it's not just in case of a divorce (which is not going to happen in our case) :-)

Edited December 23, 2011 by Margie&Doug

[VanessaTony 3,567]

We did a prenup to give our children peace over their future inheritance. We both have assets which were ours long before we met; without a prenup; if one of us were to die unexpectedly, the other person would legally inherit all of the deceased's assets which rightfully belong to the surviving children of the deceased spouse. The prenup gives all of our 5 children the comfort of knowing the new step-parent in their lives is not after ther parent's money. We both wanted a prenup as a sign that money was not what we were interested in, we were in love and wanted to share our lives together. Assets obtained after the marriage are joint and excluded from the prenup. If we purchase property, we invest 50/50 and if one spouse dies, the other spouse gets the property. Any home we live in that belongs to the other spouse can be lived in by the surviving spouse until they die or chose to abandon it for a different home.

We were both widowed and the assets we entered into the marriage with; are rightfully the inheritance of our kids.

My SIL's dad remarried to a poor widow, he died of a sudden heart attack after 2 years, no prenup; the widow got all his assets; refused to share them with his three kids and instead gave the assets to her children. We are talking about more then cash and property, heirlooms belonging to the first wife/mother such as her hope chest, her wedding dishes, her treasured trinkets; all vanished from the original family and were transferred to the step family. Very hurtful behavior then no one saw coming.

Our children are protected and I feel good about this. It's the right thing to do. Of course we are older and it is different for younger marrieds.

One more thing, part of the prenup also provides for me (the younger spouse) financially should my new husband die before me. I agreed to retire 5 years earlier to enjoy life together and he has taken care of me so that I will not be financially penalized if he should die before I am eligible to draw my pension.

Prenups are to protect people in case something goes wrong and it's not just in case of a divorce (which is not going to happen in our case) :-)

That's good to read. So you've both had your Wills done as well to state the same? Very responsible.

The story you said about your SIL's dad is weird though. The law usually states if someone dies intestate that the estate isn't always 100% to the spouse. See here: http://www.wills-online.com/willsguide/intestacy.asp She shouldn't have been permitted to take everything. Sounds like they didn't challenge it. Such a shame

[vacrimefighter 10]

Posted Today, Dec 23, 2011 03:13 PM

I am a US Citizen (born here), my spouse is from Latin America.

My spouse and I were married for 3-1/2 years before finally filing for her residency. She was on a student visa she would renew until we finally filed the PR forms. I won't get into the details as to why we waited so long before filing right here, but after filing, everything went relatively smoothly and we received the Temporary Permanent Residency for her pretty quickly (~3 months).

Immediately after, she wanted to return home to "show-off" her green card. I was a little hesitant, but was told many immigrants like to do this right after getting their card. So, about two months after receiving it, we went. I went for one month (I have to work - she doesn't work), and she was to stay a few weeks longer. Immediately after I returned, she told me that she was staying a bit longer. Over the course of the next few months, she became increasingly agitated with me on the phone - and eventually told me that she got what she wanted from me (the green card), and now wants a divorce. She has also started a relationship with someone else in her home country.

She will be returning shortly, after staying out of the US for 4 days short of six months. She wants to finalize the divorce quickly so that she can move and travel.

I thought we were married for love, and it sure seemed like it. She, though, has made it clear it was only for the green card.

Is there anything I can do about that at this point? I hate the thought of being used in such a way.

This post has been edited by fang27: Today, 03:16 PM

[canuckbos 10]

quote name='Vanessa&Tony' timestamp='1324677589' post='5069323']

That's good to read. So you've both had your Wills done as well to state the same? Very responsible.

The story you said about your SIL's dad is weird though. The law usually states if someone dies intestate that the estate isn't always 100% to the spouse. See here: http://www.wills-onl...e/intestacy.asp She shouldn't have been permitted to take everything. Sounds like they didn't challenge it. Such a shame

We've redone our will also.

Michigan was the state he died in and no there was never any legal challenge. They didn't want his money or house as they were all fine on their own. My SIL eventually was able to get her mothers hope chest returned after she persisted.

[stumblingthru 1]

An attorney I consulted with is adamant that not only must both parties to a prenuptial have their own attorneys (no question about that), but that it's also necessary for them to select their attorneys independently, as well as PAY for them independently. I have no idea how this can be accomplished in my case nor many K-1 visa cases, where the foreign spouse has no familiarity with even the yellow pages, let alone any savings to spend on an attorney. The ballpark quote for a prenup agreement was $1500-$2000 for just my end of the paperwork - and that's not including my hypothetical SO's attorney's review, the cost of which is entirely out of my prospective attorney's control and could run much more depending on how contentious that attorney might be about representing his client's interest. Does anyone know this pay-your-own-attorney thing to be as vital as I was told? If true, that would be a deal-breaker for many readers.

Another disturbing aspect to this: I know same attorney lost a case in which it was shown that his client had a remote association with the attorney his former wife selected to review the prenup (from a list client had provided to her before marriage), so it sounds as if these agreements can be unraveled with relative ease, especially in a small town where it's likely that there's been some contact along those lines.

[Austramerican 83]

Posted Today, Dec 23, 2011 03:13 PM

I am a US Citizen (born here), my spouse is from Latin America.

My spouse and I were married for 3-1/2 years before finally filing for her residency. She was on a student visa she would renew until we finally filed the PR forms. I won't get into the details as to why we waited so long before filing right here, but after filing, everything went relatively smoothly and we received the Temporary Permanent Residency for her pretty quickly (~3 months).

Immediately after, she wanted to return home to "show-off" her green card. I was a little hesitant, but was told many immigrants like to do this right after getting their card. So, about two months after receiving it, we went. I went for one month (I have to work - she doesn't work), and she was to stay a few weeks longer. Immediately after I returned, she told me that she was staying a bit longer. Over the course of the next few months, she became increasingly agitated with me on the phone - and eventually told me that she got what she wanted from me (the green card), and now wants a divorce. She has also started a relationship with someone else in her home country.

She will be returning shortly, after staying out of the US for 4 days short of six months. She wants to finalize the divorce quickly so that she can move and travel.

I thought we were married for love, and it sure seemed like it. She, though, has made it clear it was only for the green card.

Is there anything I can do about that at this point? I hate the thought of being used in such a way.

This post has been edited by fang27: Today, 03:16 PM

Seems like you're just trolling and reaching for any sign of relationships gone sour so you can point at it and shout "SEE SEE THIS IS WHY". How sad that you seem to delight in other people's misfortune just because you feel it lends weight to your beliefs.

[Dan & Jenni 457]

Seems like you're just trolling and reaching for any sign of relationships gone sour so you can point at it and shout "SEE SEE THIS IS WHY". How sad that you seem to delight in other people's misfortune just because you feel it lends weight to your beliefs.

[TBoneTX 45,319]

Seems like you're just trolling and reaching for any sign of relationships gone sour so you can point at it and shout "SEE SEE THIS IS WHY". How sad that you seem to delight in other people's misfortune just because you feel it lends weight to your beliefs.

To the contrary, it sounds to me that he's taking a prudent, long-range view in preparing for the worst that could happen.