French mother, 32, set to become first woman to be jailed for wearing banned Islamic veil

[Sofiyya 1,687]

i was thinking more along the lines of this

I said both of those things. I see no contradiction. France and Saudi both have the right to make their own laws, and enforce them. In light of that, critism of Saudi exercising enforcement to preserve its culture is hypocrisy.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

What does the number of Muslims in Europe prove, Kip? I'll give you a hint

Nothing.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

What does the number of Muslims in Europe prove, Kip? I'll give you a hint

Nothing.

There's millions of Muslims seeking residence in Western Europe ...legally and illegally on top of the 16 million already there. I mean who's kidding who?

[The_Dude 1,142]

Sofiyya, what would thing the most appropriate punishment in this scenario? The woman was issued a fine, which she refused to pay, thus increasing her penalty. What do you think they should do? Disregarding or overturning the law is not an appropriate response either.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

There's millions of Muslims seeking residence in Western Europe ...legally and illegally on top of the 16 million already there. I mean who's kidding who?

So? Muslims have been in Europe for centuries, and Europeans have been in Muslim countries for centuries. Not a revelation.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Sofiyya, what would thing the most appropriate punishment in this scenario? The woman was issued a fine, which she refused to pay, thus increasing her penalty. What do you think they should do? Disregarding or overturning the law is not an appropriate response either.

At no point have i argued with her punishment. I wanted to see if excuses would be made for accepting a double standard between Saudi enforcing its laws and France enforcing theirs.

[The_Dude 1,142]

At no point have i argued with her punishment. I wanted to see if excuses would be made for accepting a double standard between Saudi enforcing its laws and France enforcing theirs.

So you were just trolling Kip and Danno for their inconsistencies? Do you really believe that France's secular laws should be upheld and enforced as equally as Saudi Arabias? Somehow, I doubt the sincerity of your response.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

So you were just trolling Kip and Danno for their inconsistencies? Do you really believe that France's secular laws should be upheld and enforced as equally as Saudi Arabias? Somehow, I doubt the sincerity of your response.

My intent was clearly stated in the OP and several times during the discussion. People were free to participate or abstain. As usual, you can always be depended upon to resort to insults.

Enjoy!

[rika60607 215]

This case can be looked upon from the stand points of religious freedom, law obedience or gender equality. Most countries and societies impose a dress code. If I tried to walk out onto the street naked, I'd be arrested so I am NOT free to (un)dress as I wish even in the US of A.

No shirt no service policy also comes to mind.

So, I would still criticize Saudi Arabia for brutal enforcement of their laws requiring burkas, because they only require it of women. The French law equalizes genders in that NOBODY can wear burkas in public places. I am not supportive of this French law, but I somehow can't feel bad enough about it either.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

This case can be looked upon from the stand points of religious freedom, law obedience or gender equality. Most countries and societies impose a dress code. If I tried to walk out onto the street naked, I'd be arrested so I am NOT free to (un)dress as I wish even in the US of A.

No shirt no service policy also comes to mind.

So, I would still criticize Saudi Arabia for brutal enforcement of their laws requiring burkas, because they only require it of women. The French law equalizes genders in that NOBODY can wear burkas in public places. I am not supportive of this French law, but I somehow can't feel bad enough about it either.

Equal application is a good practice, yes, but, Saudi dress is not a burka. There is a dress code for men in the KSA, too, as there is in France.

[Susita 175]

I never know what my opinion is on these no burka laws... on the one hand, I totally support people's freedom of religion and dress, on the other hand, I can see how covering your face completely could be a concern.