French mother, 32, set to become first woman to be jailed for wearing banned Islamic veil

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Her parents are from Morocco, so they can send her there.

She's French.

Is it ok for Saudi to deport Christian imports who want to worship openly?

Edited December 15, 2011 by Sofiyya

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

She's French.

Her parents were born and raised in Morocco which is about as French as Turkey is. She will do just fine in Morocco where she can wear a gunny sack over her head for all they care. A one way ticket to Marrakesh.

Edited December 15, 2011 by Why_Me

[The_Dude 1,142]

I don't see that there is any rationale, or legal standing to revoke her citizenship, or send her anywhere. But I have to ask Sofiyya, what would you suggest be done here? The French people have a long history of being very secular. It would seem you would prefer that the nation change their laws, and a part of society itself to accomodate a small(ish) group of people.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I don't see that there is any rationale, or legal standing to revoke her citizenship, or send her anywhere. But I have to ask Sofiyya, what would you suggest be done here? The French people have a long history of being very secular. It would seem you would prefer that the nation change their laws, and a part of society itself to accomodate a small(ish) group of people.

Once word gets out that the French are sending people back to wherever if they don't conform you watch and see how quick those people get in line with the system. You think their going to give up living in a Western country for their values? They would sell their own mother if they thought it would help them stay.

Edited December 15, 2011 by Why_Me

[The_Dude 1,142]

Once word gets out that the French are sending people back to wherever if they don't conform you watch and see how quick those people get in line with the system. You think their going to give up living in a Western country for their values? They would sell their own mother if they thought it would help them stay.

I think you underestimate the resolve of Muslims in France. I don't see the law changing anytime soon, but I see no legal grounds to send them back to a nation they have never seen. The article in the OP does not delineate whether or not she was an immigrant or a natural born citizen, but I think that is the only way you could deport her. If she was born in France, there are no grounds for deportation, whatsoever. It's a tough situation.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

As citizens and residents alike, we all have to obey by the laws of the country we reside in, even those we don't like. I can give you a pretty substantial list of U.S. laws I dislike very much. However, if I choose to disobey any of those and get caught, I'll have to take responsibility for my actions. That's not different in the U.S. as it is in France.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Her parents were born and raised in Morocco which is about as French as Turkey is. She will do just fine in Morocco where she can wear a gunny sack over her head for all they care. A one way ticket to Marrakesh.

She's French, deal with it.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

whatever happened to when in rome, do as romans do?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ok, so the vibe I'm getting is that both Saudi and France have the right to jail women for not following their laws and disrespecting their court orders. Cool.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I think you underestimate the resolve of Muslims in France. I don't see the law changing anytime soon, but I see no legal grounds to send them back to a nation they have never seen. The article in the OP does not delineate whether or not she was an immigrant or a natural born citizen, but I think that is the only way you could deport her. If she was born in France, there are no grounds for deportation, whatsoever. It's a tough situation.

Deport em if they won't conform. It's a bad mix to begin with and it's not like it's going to get any better. Muslim countries tend to be stuck in time due to their culture and religion, and it's reason enough to make a stand while sending out a message at the same time. Like I said, those people would outright sell their mothers to stay in the West, and if they think they are going to get a one way ticket back to wherever they will conform quicker than you can snap your fingers.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

If she had what amounts to a bench warrant out for her arrest due to unpaid fines, then sure jail time is the law. Thats independent of the veil.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Ok, so the vibe I'm getting is that both Saudi and France have the right to jail women for not following their laws and disrespecting their court orders. Cool.

i was thinking more along the lines of this

I stand by the Islamic command to obey the laws of the country where you live. If you have to show your face, you show your face. Nothing wrong with that.

[kytwell 179]

I think fines are an option, but would it be ok if the Saudis jailed women for not wearing veils?

Yes, if that's the law of the land in Saudi Arabia.

If she had what amounts to a bench warrant out for her arrest due to unpaid fines, then sure jail time is the law. Thats independent of the veil.

Edited December 15, 2011 by kytwell

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Deport em if they won't conform. It's a bad mix to begin with and it's not like it's going to get any better. Muslim countries tend to be stuck in time due to their culture and religion, and it's reason enough to make a stand while sending out a message at the same time. Like I said, those people would outright sell their mothers to stay in the West, and if they think they are going to get a one way ticket back to wherever they will conform quicker than you can snap your fingers.

Not one word of that is true.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Not one word of that is true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

According to the German Central Institute Islam Archive (de), the total number of Muslims in Europe in 2007 was about 53 million (7.2%), excluding Turkey. The total number of Muslims in the European Union in 2007 was about 16 million (3.2%).[2]

Edited December 16, 2011 by Why_Me