Whence moderate Islam?

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Whence moderate Islam?

I keep looking for the “moderate” form of Islam in the Middle East, but have trouble finding it. I guess its main home is elsewhere. But I’ve recently come across four items that bear witness to the hatred of Muslims for Jews (I’m not claiming it’s not reciprocal), and to the fact that religion poisons everything.

Here, from Memri (Middle East Media Project) TV, is a clip of a supposedly moderate Islamic preacher, Sheikh Nayef Hajjaj Al-Ajami, from the moderate Islamic state of Kuwait, talking about the Jews on November 25:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=433Y-v1fuHM

“Servants of Allah, let us be aware that our struggle with the Jews is one of faith, identity, and existence. Read the Koran, where Allah says: “Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with you until you follow their creed,” so that you may know what the Jews conceal within their hearts. . . and so you may know that the Jews of the past were evil, and the Jews of today are even worse. . the enemies of the divine prophesies, the scum of mankind, who incurred the curse and wrath of Allah, and whom Allah transformed into apes and pigs and

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worshippers [worshippers of any divinity except Allah].”

Here’s a twelfth-grade textbook from Saudi Arabia:

Among the topics are these:

The struggle with the Jews is not political but religious. From p. 91:

“Whoever studies the nature of the conflict between the Muslims and the Jews understands an important fact, [namely that] this is a religious conflict, not a dispute about politics or nationality, or a conflict between races or tribes, or a fight over land or country, as some describe it. This is a deeply rooted enmity, a conflict between truth and falsehood, between monotheism and polytheism, between heresy and faith.”

So much for the common assertion that the Muslim/Jewish animosity, suicide bombings, are purely civil and political, and never about religion. Remember, this is what the kids are being taught.

The Jews spread corruption and fitna [chaos and internecine rancor]. From pp. 91-92

“In modern times, Jewish influence has cut deeply into several Western countries, and [the Jews] have taken control of their economies and media. These countries were exploited for the Jews’ benefit, and the two sides [i.e., the Jews and the West joined forces and] combined their interests in order to wipe out Islam. . . .”[After] the Jews strayed from the correct religion brought [to them] by Moussa [Moses], peace be upon him, they did not take root in any land, nor did they legally own any land. They wandered in [various] regions, for wandering from place to place and being divided is in their nature. The Jews lived as oppressed minorities throughout the world, and caused corruption in every land they entered. In every country where they settled, they were a source of trouble and

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. They build up their confidence by frightening others, which is why the peoples hated them and why they came to be known for their deceit and cunning.”

The Qur’an describes the corruption of the Jews. From pp. 92-94:

“The noble Koran is the best source to acquaint us with the [Jews'] personality and psychological makeup. The expressions ‘Jews’ and ‘Children of Israel’ appear more than 63 times in the book of Allah, may He be exalted. They were the nation charged with ruling the earth, but Allah took their [role of] leadership away from them due to their corruption and destructiveness, and because they killed the prophets. The following are a few brief descriptions of some of their traits, as they appear in the noble Koran:”

JAC: These traits (read the link) include attacking Allah, killing prophets, lying, deception, sinning, racism, cheating, cowardice, envy, and “lust for life,” which I take to mean avoidance of a glorious death.

Jihad will force the Jews out of Palestine. from p. 112:

“Jihad for the sake of Allah is the only path to liberating Palestine. Only through jihad did the Muslims conquer Jerusalem, and only through jihad did the Crusaders leave Palestine. Likewise, only through jihad will the Jews leave Palestine.

“The only point of departure in our handling of the issue of Palestine [should be] absolute faith in Islam and in the fact that all rulings related to this issue must be derived from [islam].”

If this stuff is drilled into you at age twelve, what are you going to believe? And it further shows, as I’ve argued before, that a huge element of radical Islam is based not on politics, disaffection, or dispossesion, but simple religion-based emnity. Do we deny that these people believe what they say?

Next we have the ravings of Sheik Yusaf al-Qaradhawi, an influential Muslim scholar a prolific figure on Al Jazeera television, and a spiritual leader of Muslim Brotherhood (he is Egyptian), which claims to have won the recent elections for the Egyptian parliament. He has characterized his own views as “moderate Islam.” Note, though, that according to Wikipedia al-Qaradhawi has been denounced by Muslim scholars in the Middle East for giving Islam a bad name. Indeed he has!

This video doesn’t look so moderate: he argues that Hitler was a punishment that Allah imposed upon the Jews for corruption, and “put them in their place.” The Holocaust was “divine punishment,” and was exaggerated anyway. And he longs to go to Palestine, shoot the Jews himself, and thereby achieve martyrdom.

Finally, to round things out, and show that Islamic viciousness is not limited to the Middle East, here’s a report by Andreew Gilligan from theTelegraph that Sheikh Saad al-Beraik spoke at the East London Mosque (apparently regarded as a haven for “moderate” Islam), and called for Muslims to abduct and enslave Jewish women:

“Muslim brothers in Palestine, do not have any mercy neither compassion on the Jews, their blood, their money, their flesh. Their women are yours to take, legitimately. God made them yours. Why don’t you enslave their women? Why don’t you wage jihad? Why don’t you pillage them?”

I thought this kind of stuff went out with the Old Testament.

Is there anyone who doubts that, considering all major religions, Islam is the most pernicious. Of course Catholicism gives it a run for its money.

h/t: Malgorzata

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Moderate Muslims are like moderate Christians, and moderate anything else: They are the ones that you don't hear about on the news. Atheists, however, lack any sort of moderation, which is why they are constantly in your face about things most people keep to themselves.

[웃 910]

Moderate Muslims are like moderate Christians, and moderate anything else: They are the ones that you don't hear about on the news. Atheists, however, lack any sort of moderation, which is why they are constantly in your face about things most people keep to themselves.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

MEMRI is an anti-Muslim site. You don't go there to find mainstream Islam.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

I believe moderate Muslims are among us the same way moderate Jews and Christians are among us. Any and all of them are unfaithful to their faith, probably because they don't take it seriously. Many have been born into it and continue to go to church or temple or mosque in order not to upset their parents and older family members, but none of them can be truthfully called Muslims, Jews, or Christians.

Look at Republican front runner Ging-Rich. He is a self-proclaimed Christian, but he is also an adulterer who banged his mistress while the wife was sick as a puppy. His is a liar, corrupt as it gets, and was thrown out of office by Republicans and Democrats alike for ethics violations so severe that he had simply become a liability even for his own supporters.

The same way Ging-Rich is not a real Christian as he spits into the face of Christian values with alarming frequency, a Muslim who is buddy with a Jew or a Jew who is buddy with a Muslim are not taking their religion seriously. Their religion requires them to hate each other, see one another as Goy and Infidels, among other things. Hence, moderation of religion, any religion, the absence of blind obedience to the written word, maybe a first step to a world where people use their creator-given intelligence. I hope moderates in any faith will be an intermediate step to a world where nobody takes this humbug seriously anymore.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I believe moderate Muslims are among us the same way moderate Jews and Christians are among us. Any and all of them are unfaithful to their faith, probably because they don't take it seriously. Many have been born into it and continue to go to church or temple or mosque in order not to upset their parents and older family members, but none of them can be truthfully called Muslims, Jews, or Christians.

Look at Republican front runner Ging-Rich. He is a self-proclaimed Christian, but he is also an adulterer who banged his mistress while the wife was sick as a puppy. His is a liar, corrupt as it gets, and was thrown out of office by Republicans and Democrats alike for ethics violations so severe that he had simply become a liability even for his own supporters.

The same way Ging-Rich is not a real Christian as he spits into the face of Christian values with alarming frequency, a Muslim who is buddy with a Jew or a Jew who is buddy with a Muslim are not taking their religion seriously. Their religion requires them to hate each other, see one another as Goy and Infidels, among other things. Hence, moderation of religion, any religion, the absence of blind obedience to the written word, maybe a first step to a world where people use their creator-given intelligence. I hope moderates in any faith will be an intermediate step to a world where nobody takes this humbug seriously anymore.

While I agree with the part about Gingrich, the rest of your post is pretty cynical and demonstrably untrue.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

...the rest of your post is pretty cynical and demonstrably untrue.

And pretty offensive to say the least.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Moderate Muslims are like moderate Christians, and moderate anything else: They are the ones that you don't hear about on the news. Atheists, however, lack any sort of moderation, which is why they are constantly in your face about things most people keep to themselves.

Yes its always those pesky atheists strapping on a bombs and running into a crowded building...

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Yes its always those pesky atheists strapping on a bombs and running into a crowded building...

No, instead they kill millions of their own people, and bury them in mass graves for believing in something spiritual.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Moderate Muslims are like moderate Christians, and moderate anything else: They are the ones that you don't hear about on the news. Atheists, however, lack any sort of moderation, which is why they are constantly in your face about things most people keep to themselves.

Actually ,the average atheist doesn't spend a lot of time talking about religion. Why would they? Most atheists are content to leave it at that. Of course LI is not your average atheist.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Actually ,the average atheist doesn't spend a lot of time talking about religion. Why would they? Most atheists are content to leave it at that. Of course LI is not your average atheist.

I would allow a differentiation among agnostics, atheists, and anti-theists. LI definitely belongs to the latter. Saying, "I don't think there is a god," or, "I am pretty sure there isn't a god," is different than, "I take offense to any mention of a deity, and I will not be satisfied until everyone believes the same as I do."

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

World Population Percentages by Religious Group

religious 86%, non-religious and anti-religious 14%.

Religious Groups

monotheists 54%, reincarnationists 20%, ethno religions 10%

Monotheists

Christians 33%, Muslims 21%

Reincarnationists

Hindu 13%, Buddhist 6%

Ethno Religions Chinese 6.3%, tribal 4%

Non-religious groups

Non-religious and agnostic 11.9%, anti-religious and atheist 2.3%

http://richleebruce.com/mystat.html

[Misha & Ira 113]

Actually ,the average atheist doesn't spend a lot of time talking about religion. Why would they? Most atheists are content to leave it at that. Of course LI is not your average atheist.

LI may be in the closet...

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

No, instead they kill millions of their own people, and bury them in mass graves for believing in something spiritual.

I'll bet 1 million dollars that any evil you can show done in the name of atheism I can find 100 fold done in the name of religion. Nothing *nothing* compares to the collective damage and stunting of growth to the human race...

[Misha & Ira 113]

You have a million dollars you can gamble with?

Edited December 13, 2011 by Misha & Ira