Americans won't believe in evolution until we weaken religion’s death grip on America.

[Golden Gate 530]

I found this interesting article: "Atheists Who Go to Church: Doing It for the Children...the research, published in the December issue of the Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, was based on in-depth interviews with 275 scientists at 21 "elite" research universities in the United States. Sixty-one percent of the participants described themselves as either atheists or agnostics, and 17 percent of the non-believers had attended church more than once in the past year."

My link

Edited December 8, 2011 by Golden Gate

[웃 910]

You have scientific proof of your claim?

Yes. 1500 CE consensus was the world was flat, there was no such thing as electricity, a dentist, a doctor, a shower, earth was under 10,000 years old, no such thing as an atom or the periodic table of elements, no such thing as a fossil (including dinosaur bones) and the life expectancy was 30 to 40 years old.

Subtract 150 decades...

Edited December 8, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[Danno 1,228]

Yes. 1500 CE consensus was the world was flat, there was no such thing as electricity, a dentist, a doctor, a shower, earth was under 10,000 years old, no such thing as an atom or the periodic table of elements, no such thing as a fossil (including dinosaur bones) and the life expectancy was 30 to 40 years old.

Subtract 150 decades...

Thats your answer?

Lets have another run at this.

YOur statement:

Jesus Christ was not a God. He either didn't exist or was just another moron walking around in a bathrobe and sandals with horrible hygiene and lack of intelligence.

What evidence leads you to make this claim Mr. Science?

[Misha & Ira 113]

Thats your answer?

Lets have another run at this.

YOur statement:

Jesus Christ was not a God. He either didn't exist or was just another moron walking around in a bathrobe and sandals with horrible hygiene and lack of intelligence.

What evidence leads you to make this claim Mr. Science?

:thumbs:

[웃 910]

Thats your answer?

Lets have another run at this.

YOur statement:

Jesus Christ was not a God. He either didn't exist or was just another moron walking around in a bathrobe and sandals with horrible hygiene and lack of intelligence.

What evidence leads you to make this claim Mr. Science?

I answered the second part about him being a moron.

About the first. How about this. What type of sick game only seen in a disgusting blood and gut filled horror film is it to allow man 'free will' to run its course until death. And then off to hell you go after death for the heinous and horrible crime of disbelief. A crime so terrible only being burned alive for infinity is the sensible and fair solution.

If Jesus had a sliver of kindness in his imaginary soul he would appear like he supposedly did thousands of years ago. That's LIVING proof. And considering the Jews didn't even believe in that moron makes a strong case that he wasn't sh!t (hate to stereotype but the Jewish people I know, particularly my grandma, know everything about everyone). They pick up on gossip in a heartbeat. Since the Jewish community did not believe in the moron he obviously wasn't anything worth talking about.

Common sense and science are on the side of the atheist. It is just a fairy tale childish myth to believe in gods. There is no logical reason to believe in it. It is hard to deny when you are told about hell as a 4 year old child and through your teenage years but that doesn't make it true.

There were gods (many) way before Christianity was born (invented). You admit that those are untrue. But yours is right.

A very simple investigation will lead you to the truth.

Edited December 8, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[Misha & Ira 113]

I do not see any evidence to prove your claim...only someone talking about their beliefs.

[Danno 1,228]

I answered the second part about him being a moron.

About the first. How about this. What type of sick game only seen in a disgusting blood and gut filled horror film is it to allow man 'free will' to run its course until death. And then off to hell you go after death for the heinous and horrible crime of disbelief. A crime so terrible only being burned alive for infinity is the sensible and fair solution.

If Jesus had a sliver of kindness in his imaginary soul he would appear like he supposedly did thousands of years ago. That's LIVING proof. And considering the Jews didn't even believe in that moron makes a strong case that he wasn't sh!t (hate to stereotype but the Jewish people I know, particularly my grandma, know everything about everyone). They pick up on gossip in a heartbeat. Since the Jewish community did not believe in the moron he obviously wasn't anything worth talking about.

Common sense and science are on the side of the atheist. It is just a fairy tale childish myth to believe in gods. There is no logical reason to believe in it. It is hard to deny when you are told about hell as a 4 year old child and through your teenage years but that doesn't make it true.

There were gods (many) way before Christianity was born (invented). You admit that those are untrue. But yours is right.

A very simple investigation will lead you to the truth.

My friend you are getting yourself all tangled up in the religion aspect of it.

That part I can grasp your doubt, this part here is what I want to see you focus your comments and evidence on.

He either didn't exist or was just another moron

What makes you conclude he didn't exist?

[웃 910]

My friend you are getting yourself all tangled up in the religion aspect of it.

That part I can grasp your doubt, this part here is what I want to see you focus your comments and evidence on.

He either didn't exist or was just another moron

What makes you conclude he didn't exist?

Google Jesus never existed or variations of that.

The Anointed Ones

http://www.amazon.com/Anointed-Ones-Michael-Albert-Puleo/dp/061532553X/ref=pd_rhf_cr_p_t_4

Was a psychedelic drug the "Key to the Kingdom" for early Christians? This new book explores what the author calls "The Messiah Medicine", a special ointment applied to the skin of one who forever after would be known as the "The Anointed One", in Hebrew, the hakohen hamashia. From this comes the word "Messiah." According to the Bilble, the result of this anointing was the ability to "prophesy", see "visions" and "dream dreams". The formula is found in Exodus. It contained myrrh, calamus root, cinnamon, and cassia- all precious and all pharmacologically active. In ancient times myrrh was used as a pain reliever and sedative. Modern studies show opium-like activity. Another ingredient calamus root, produces LSD-like effects, and has been used in ayurvedic medicine and by Native Americans. The book follows the origins of the sacrament in Egypt, where the pharoah was initiated into his ofice through an ointment that would "make spirit of him". Scholars believe that the Mosaic Jews took the ointment out of Egypt. For some 1000 years they used it to sanctify high priests, kings and prophets, who were all referred to as Messiahs, until it was lost with the Babylonia wars. According to Dr. Albert-Puleo, a Board Certified Family Physician, Jesus of Nazareth revived the rite more than 5 centuries later, and passed it on to Apostles. The Bible and early Christian literature record that whosoever was anointed with the unguent would experience the Holy Spirit and "know all things", that he would "need no other teacher." At one time, every anointed Christian was actually referred to as "Christ", from the Greek Christos, meaning, "Anointed One." The author provides a treasure trove of insights relying on everything from Egyptian tomb art to early Christian writings, herbal folklore to modern scientific studies, Greek mythology to the "Calamus" poems of Walt Whitman and the musings of Timothy Leary. The Anointed Ones is like no book before it. To some it may seem blasphemous, to others, astonishing and enlightening.

http://www.amazon.com/Nailed-Christian-Myths-Jesus-Existed/dp/0557709911/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323320995&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Christ-Pagan-Evidence-Existed/dp/1440449333/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323320995&sr=1-2

Jesus Never Existed

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Never-Existed-Kenneth-Humphreys/dp/0906879140/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1323320995&sr=1-3

The above book is for some reason almost $300 used so here is a clipping from the only review:

Besides the traditional Jesus of faith (Biblical literalism), nearly six major critical trends in the reconstruction of the Jesus story emerged, all based on the view that the Jesus Christ of the Bible never existed as such (discounting his healings, exorcisms and raising the dead by calling their names), all going from Christ to Jesus:

1) Jesus as a fanatic Jewish revolutionary who wanted to purify the practice of Judaism and liberate Judaea from the Roman occupation, (d'Holbach; also Samuel G. F. Brandon, and Hyam Maccoby);

2) Jesus as a Jewish apocalyptic teacher convinced of the imminent end of the world and the coming Kingdom of God (or Heaven) with a Last Judgment Day, and preaching an extreme morality of salvation and liberation to a specifically Jewish audience, with no intention to found a new religion, (Reimarus; Renan in "Life of Jesus", 1863; Schweitzer in "The Mystery of the Kingdom of God", 1914; variations recently adopted by Bart Ehrman and Geza Vermes), but a victim of self-deception (Gerd Lüdemann).

3) Jesus as an itinerant teacher: either a Jewish wisdom teacher who did not preach an apocalyptic message, but one of a moral rebirth of society under his influence, perpetuated by his disciples, founding a new religion (Rudolf Bultmann, the Jesus Seminar); or a wandering cynic-like sage in the Greco-Roman style, identifiable in the "Lost Gospel" of Q (Burton L. Mack) -- a moderate figure of Jesus as a moral parable more acceptable to the "soft" Christianity of our 21st century.

4) a "historical myth", the deification of a historical but obscure Jesus (David Strauss), a vanished source behind the Gospels (John E. Remsberg, Robert Price), or nearly unknowable (G. A. Wells's Q preacher);

5) a "pure myth", a composite image constructed of many strands; the creation of an imaginary savior turned into a god, born from OT midrash (interpretations of the law, prophecies, psalms) and expectations due to social and historical tensions in occupied Judaea; initially spread by anonymous illiterate followers of a gullible "Jesus" movement, then spiritualized and propagated by Paul, anchored in time and geography by Mark and the other Gospels, and gradually embellished by the succeeding generations of Christian scribes and theologians;

6) a product of Middle-Eastern mystiques, the theory initially proposed in the 18th century by two French Enlightenment writers, Charles F. Dupuis (Christ as a solar myth, 1795), and Count de Volney (a mix of solar myth plus historical myth, 1787); popularized by Acharya S/D. M. Murdoch.

[Misha & Ira 113]

never mind his statment is a little confused too....

Ether he did or didn't exist.

Edited December 8, 2011 by Misha & Ira

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Jesus Christ was not a God. He either didn't exist or was just another moron walking around in a bathrobe and sandals with horrible hygiene and lack of intelligence.

Why is it every single Christmas you start this nonsense? I don't know why you have such a problem with the Messiah? Now you want to hurl all manner of calumny, why not throw in Mary and make it a true daily double?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Why is it every single Christmas you start this nonsense? I don't know why you have such a problem with the Messiah? Now you want to hurl all manner of calumny, why not throw in Mary and make it a true daily double?

He's afraid of what he believes because he really doesn't believe it. He just posts these stupid threads every day trying to make himself feel better. I never knew an atheist who was such an evangelist. Since he believes in nothing, why try to get others to join you? Why should he even give a ratsass? And he thinks religious people are fools? He should take a look in the mirror.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Yes. 1500 CE consensus was the world was flat, there was no such thing as electricity, a dentist, a doctor, a shower, earth was under 10,000 years old, no such thing as an atom or the periodic table of elements, no such thing as a fossil (including dinosaur bones) and the life expectancy was 30 to 40 years old.

Subtract 150 decades...

Eurocentric bullsh*t. The Chinese and Arabs were already into this as were some Europeans like Kepler and Bacon who started studying their work. Avicenna? Ever heard of him? Al-Razi? Al-Nafis? Al-Hazen? He only discovered the optics of the human eye in the early part of the 11th century and gave rise to MODERN Ophthalmology. Al-Mawsili? Bukhtishu? i could go on and on (Astronomy?, you must be kidding) but my eyes are hurting from reading this drivel and I am virtually blind.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

He's afraid of what he believes because he really doesn't believe it. He just posts these stupid threads every day trying to make himself feel better. I never knew an atheist who was such an evangelist. Since he believes in nothing, why try to get others to join you? Why should he even give a ratsass? And he thinks religious people are fools? He should take a look in the mirror.

He has his religion of science, so why is pushing his agenda? You are right, he is looking to shake someone loose of their faith. What pleasure he might get out of it, I'll never understand.

[Danno 1,228]

Google Jesus never existed or variations of that.

You can google space ailians as well and find Books on Amazon about bigfoot, is this what you base your conclusions on?

Jesus of Nazareth ( /ˈdʒiːzəs/; 7–2 BC/BCE to 30–36 AD/CE), commonly referred to as Jesus Christ or simply as Jesus or Christ, is the central figure of Christianity. Most Christian denominations venerate him as God the Son incarnated and believe that he rose from the dead after being crucified.[9][10] The principal sources of information regarding Jesus are the four canonical gospels,[11] and most biblical scholars find them useful for reconstructing Jesus' life and teachings.[12][13][14][15] Scholars have correlated the New Testament accounts with non-Christian historical records to arrive at an estimated chronology for the major episodes in the life of Jesus.[16][5] [3][17]

Most critical historians agree that Jesus was a Galilean Jewish Rabbi who was regarded as a teacher and healer in Judaea,[18] that he was baptized by John the Baptist, and that he was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman Prefect, Pontius Pilate, on the charge of sedition against the Roman Empire.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus

[Misha & Ira 113]

He's afraid of what he believes because he really doesn't believe it. He just posts these stupid threads every day trying to make himself feel better. I never knew an atheist who was such an evangelist. Since he believes in nothing, why try to get others to join you? Why should he even give a ratsass? And he thinks religious people are fools? He should take a look in the mirror.