Best and Worst Run States in America

[웃 910]

it's really amusing to see where 2 fellas got 'welfare' and 'unemployment compensation' utterly confoozled.

Thanks Guys !!

On a certain level the comparison is valid. Once someone starts drawing more from UI than they put in, somebody else is paying for them.

I wouldn't equate use of welfare with use of UI, but to some extent, I would equate abuse of welfare with abuse of UI.

I've never met a person that is getting UI and not celebrated the news that they won't have to work another day for the maximum time allowed + get a government check.

I've got a cousin who celebrated her layoff, got over $500 every 2 weeks, and used it to essentially get paid to go to nursing school.

I've got another relative who got it and immediately went on the hunt for an under the table job. She is a full time nanny getting paid in cash and raking in checks from the government.

That is the first sign that there is something wrong with UI if the people getting it:

A: Celebrate the news

B: Always go for the maximum time allowed

C: Never look for a job to end the free money

D: If they look for a job, it is under the table work so they can double dip

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

What have the liberals wrought? I am always amused to see the indignance of liberals when people use what they demanded.

The only thing I see unusual about Kip is that he hangs around Alaska in the winter. A lot of our guys are already "gone south" and more will be when the snow piles up (no snow yet, we are hoping it is a global warming trend and not just a fluke...you should too, it keeps union construction workers employed)

With direct deposit unemployment benefits (every Thursday like clockwork) and EBT cards, many of the men jump on their motorcycles and tour the south for the winter, collecting their $450 per week unemployment and food stamps! Living off that and the savings from working 70-75 hours per week in summer, 30-35 hours of it at 1-1/2 times normal pay. They know when to be back for their regular job.

The benefits pay them more than they could possibly make in some off season job at Lowe's or some other work. Does any liberal expect someone to get out of bed, shovel snow, drive in horrible weather just to make LESS money than he can sitting on the beach?

Good news! Our liberal Dem governor recently signed legislation requiring seasonal layoffs with return to work dates to do a "job search" after 10 weeks.

Better news? They can meet the requirements of the job search by applying for jobs online and in email (as most jobs now require so they can discriminate by race, color, creed, sex, and national origin without you having a way to prove it. Credit checks do most of the racist work for them, black people naming their children "Latesha" and "Andre", and drug tests do the rest)

So it amounts to them having to take a couple hours off the beach, go to a local library, use a public access computer and log in to the Websites for "7 Days" and "Burlington Free Press". Send a few emails with attached resumes to jobs they do not qualify for, carpenters can apply for IT project managers, etc., and back to the beach! Keep everything in their email "sent" folder in case they are audited (not likely) and file their weekly claim online. Damn, that has to piss them off and spoil their winter! But not until they have been laid off for 10 weeks! So maybe the last 2-3 weeks they have to do job searches online. Holy #######! THAT will get those bums in line!

My dad and his brothers and a few of my cousins had it down to an art (all pipe fitters)..my dad and the brother next to him are retired now, but the two youngest ones are still in the trade. Anyways my dad is a Harley freak...he has three of them. So what he would do was money up and then go on unemployment during the winter and head down to Arizona and Mexico on his bike. Back packers tent, camp stove..the whole ball of wax. He would camp out for two days, and every third day he would stay at a hotel and shower up. He did this for years. His youngest brother would go down to La Paz Mexico every other winter and whole up in a rental with a few prostitutes and a few bags of weed and lots of tequila where he would do nothing but get tanked and screw all winter long. Both of them called in their unemployment from wherever they were at the time with out a hitch. If my uncles phone was screwed up he would have someone else call it in for him.

For me, Seattle was my trip south...not a lot warmer but better than here. And when I had a good year it was over to Europe..and then I discovered Eastern Europe and hot chicks on the Sakhalin job. It's messed my head up ever since hence the reason I married a Belarusian. But even when I was hold up in Belarus, I just had my sister call in my unemployment for me. Direct deposit and ATM machines in Belarus ftw!

Edited December 6, 2011 by Why_Me

[slim 1,533]

If it was fraud then it would be illegal. Seeing how it's not illegal then it's not fraud is it now?

Just because they don't catch everyone doesn't mean it's not fraud. I'm pretty sure if they sat down and reviewed your case they'd be able to cancel your UI.

It's being offered and no I'm not passing up on that money. It's legal and according the to law I'm entitled to it.

So what's your problem with welfare moms and illegals then? They're entitled to it, right? That is the law.

California need to cut off the government from the illegals and stop giving away free ####### and maybe we have a chance.

Why? It's legal and they're entitled to it.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Just because they don't catch everyone doesn't mean it's not fraud. I'm pretty sure if they sat down and reviewed your case they'd be able to cancel your UI.

Earlier in this thread you claimed to know about the construction industry. I'm guessing that meant non union residential construction? Because when you are union and on a "out of work list" it's perfectly legal to collect unemployment benefits without looking for work seeing how your on a "union out of work list"...that only goes for the skilled trades as far as I know, but I could be wrong about that. So as far as being investigated for fraud...not hardly. In fact when I call in I'm never asked by the computer if I have been looking for work...and it's the same questions every time I call in. It's the same in Washington state, and every other state that has a union hall in regards to a skilled trade. Unless you have a better way of getting skilled tradesmen employed in their field to stay working when the work is iffy at best and still get those guys to build whatever when the work is there then go for it. Nobody has come up with a better solution yet. Seeing how your all for cheap labor, how about you get some kids and/or illegals to do the dirt work, iron work, carpenter work, pipe work, HVAC work, electrician work, elevator work, etc..on that new high rise being built in downtown Cincinnati. Have fun with that one. And when the building burns down or falls over don't call 911, just get some more cheap labor to rebuild it.

So what's your problem with welfare moms and illegals then? They're entitled to it, right? That is the law.

Same scenario. Our work is on and off. We work and we collect when there is no work. Welfare doesn't work in order to collect, illegals are what? What does the word "illegal" mean to you?

A union construction worker gets laid off, so you expect that guy to get a minimum wage job until work picks back up correct? If that was the case you wouldn't have any skilled tradesmen other than some maintenance guys working for the usual 80% of full wages seeing how that's what maintenance jobs pay under union contract being that they are year around work, unlike construction work that pays the 100% full wages seeing how it's temporary. You tell those guys they can't collect unemployment and that they have to go flip burgers. And when you go to cross the Ohio River, try taking a barge for the fact you won't have anyone to build you a bridge.

[The_Dude 1,142]

From the Alaska State Labor Website:

You must also be available to accept full-time work in any occupation that is consistent with your prior training and experience. If you restrict hours, wages, or conditions of employment to a point which will limit your chance of obtaining work, it may be determined that you are not available for work.

That is fairly standard to any state. You must be available to work, that is the key. The fact is, you have said that you won't work until the benefits end, thus you are stating that you are not available to take a full time job in your area of expertise. SO yeah, you are commiting fraud Kip. There is a fraud hotline on the Alaska State Labor site too!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

From the Alaska State Labor Website:

That is fairly standard to any state. You must be available to work, that is the key. The fact is, you have said that you won't work until the benefits end, thus you are stating that you are not available to take a full time job in your area of expertise. SO yeah, you are commiting fraud Kip. There is a fraud hotline on the Alaska State Labor site too!

You get the "nub of the forum" award on this one. Again if your on an "union out of work list" for a skilled trade you wait to be called up for work. That is one of the first questions you are asked during your first and only telephone interview with a real person on the line when you first file for benefits. Iv'e been in this game for well over twenty years now and I know the rules. Now call a union hall in California and tell me what they tell you about this. It's going to be the same answer I just gave you. So try again, but this time try something you know.

*Just curious but what do you do for work? Like what is your job title and what do you actually do?

Edited December 6, 2011 by Why_Me

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*Just curious but what do you do for work? Like what is your job title and what do you actually do?

Why would he tell you that?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Why would he tell you that?

Why wouldn't he? A lot of us here aren't ashamed of our jobs and we don't have a problem stating what we do for a living. Are you saying he's ashamed of his line of work?

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Why wouldn't he? A lot of us here aren't ashamed of our jobs and we don't have a problem stating what we do for a living. Are you saying he's ashamed of his line of work?

I guess I see telling people what work I do and what my actual job title is as two different things.

[Ban Hammer 13,651]

my neighbor, who was union, was "unemployed" during the winter months for the same reasons. he could have gone and worked another job unrelated or not to construction, but as he was union, and his union wasn't working due to weather, he filed for and received unemployment during the winter months.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

my neighbor, who was union, was "unemployed" during the winter months for the same reasons. he could have gone and worked another job unrelated or not to construction, but as he was union, and his union wasn't working due to weather, he filed for and received unemployment during the winter months.

You pointed out a good one I forgot to add. If you get caught working a related job that's non union you are black balled from the union with no questions asked. No going back...it's done and over with. The union even plants people on non union jobs looking for names and license plate numbers and if and when you get busted you go on a nation wide computer for that trade, and if that trade is a ####### like the pipe fitters up here they will make sure the other trades have all your info also so your screwed switching trades. In Alaska the Iron Workers union has been down and out for years now and they made an exception to that rule. You can go to the BA and ask for permission to work a non union Iron Workers job and they might give you the go ahead. They did for me when I worked on the Rock Creek gold mine up in Nome. I'm not sure what they judge it on as to whether to let you work a job or not, but the BA was pretty nice about it and seeing how it was only a four month job he said no problem and that was that.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

From the Alaska State Labor Website:

That is fairly standard to any state. You must be available to work, that is the key. The fact is, you have said that you won't work until the benefits end, thus you are stating that you are not available to take a full time job in your area of expertise. SO yeah, you are commiting fraud Kip. There is a fraud hotline on the Alaska State Labor site too!

"Available for work" is vaguely defined and it has been ruled that an absence from the state does not constitute being "unavailable" provided you have means to return. That has already been addressed by most, if not all states. Also there is no requirement to accept work that pays less than 80% of your previous pay for the first XX weeks (forget the exact number) and less than 50% of your previous pay after that AND they will still make up the difference with unemployment which has the ewffect of making your unemplyment benefit last longer.

The key for Why_Me is that MOST states do not require him to search for a job AT ALL if he is in seasonal work and has a return to work date. Vermont only recently began requiring it after 10 weeks. We had construction workers taking 3-4 months off every winter and ski resort employees taking 6-7 months off paid each year, without ANY requirement to look for another job. I imagine the job search requirements will affect the ski resort workers more.

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Sounds like working for the mob.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Sounds like working for the mob.

It is the mob. When the Seattle - Tacoma Iron Workers local voted to take back their local from the International back east there were limo's there with peeps in suits packing iron during the elections. We weren't so sophisticated as them, we showed up with bats, and knives. Needless to say we won and we got our local back. But we would have never lost the local to the International in the first place if our office fks hadn't stole all the locals money (our money) and dissapeared with it. Before that they were using our money to purchase new caddy's to drive back and forth to the local with, going out to lunches, dinners, football games, etc.. all on our dime. Corrupt doesn't even begin to explain those thieves.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

my neighbor, who was union, was "unemployed" during the winter months for the same reasons. he could have gone and worked another job unrelated or not to construction, but as he was union, and his union wasn't working due to weather, he filed for and received unemployment during the winter months.

Charles I have to admit to being suprised to see this post directly under a number of posts making accusations of other members as criminals, personal attacks, vile names and a general lack of any regard for TOS rules.

We appreciate your contribution to the discussion.

Sounds like working for the mob.

It is. And they support Democrats.