Egypt:Muslim Brotherhood Takes Elections by Storm

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

WE CALLED MOBARAK "OUR PARTNER" in the middle east, what lesson did other partnerss learn from this?

Maintain the support of your people, or else we cannot support you.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

So no matter who or what the incoming movement looks like, the president must not only involve himself but give momentum to the uprising?

WE CALLED MOBARAK "OUR PARTNER" in the middle east, what lesson did other partnerss learn from this?

Nothing for them to learn. Alliances of convenience are like water in the most of the tribal world: They evaporate quickly. However, blood feuds are forever, and despite all the best intentions, any agreement negotiated today with "Partners in Peace" (or whatever the current cliche) will be forgotten when somebody drinks from the wrong well.

[mawilson 2,133]

Please link any Palestinian claim to all of this territory.

That was his point - there are none. They only "claim" what belongs to Israel, none of those other countries.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

That was his point - there are none. They only "claim" what belongs to Israel, none of those other countries.

The other way around. Israel is the occupier, not the lawful owner.

[mawilson 2,133]

The other way around. Israel is the occupier, not the lawful owner.

By the same rationale, Jordan is the occupier too. When was the last time you heard about Jordanian occupation of Palestinian lands?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

By the same rationale, Jordan is the occupier too. When was the last time you heard about Jordanian occupation of Palestinian lands?

How so?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Does anyone see any Muslims and/or Arabs on that map? I don't. So it's simple to say the Muslims stole the land from the Jews. Now if anyone can find a map showing the Muslims/Arabs were there "before the Jews", then go for it.

[Brother Hesekiel 2,236]

The U.S. had always some shitty choices in the Middle East.

In Iraq it was to play nice with Saddam, who we knew was a guy as bad as it gets, (a) in order to sell weapons, (b) in order to keep our hand on the black gold, and © to make sure Iran doesn't go gagga.

In Egypt is was to play nice with Mubarak, who we also knew was a guy as bad as it gets, (a) in order to protect Israel, (b) to control the Suez Canal, and © in order to get our hands on the black gold.

Hence, it was always a relationship of convenience, held in high esteem until the waters turned and "we" had to look in the other direction and change positions.

Now that we have f*cked up Iraq we learn what we all knew all along: that sectarian violence will peak there once the last U.S. troops have left. Yep, newsflash, the guy as bad as it gets was also as good as it gets to keep the crazy people under control. Duh!

In Egypt we now have to deal with a renewed thread to Israel, a thread to the Suez Canal, and a radically charged, Muslim government. Duh!

There was really no way of winning this dirty game, and in case of Iraq we just declared war. In case of Afghanistan, we declared war. In case of Iran, we consider declaring war. If we feel there's a thread evolving to any of the U.S.'s interest, we declare war.

Now that we are working hard on outlawing bullying in our schools, I wonder when we will outlaw bullying on the international level. As long as the U.S. is the bully probably not anytime soon.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Does anyone see any Muslims and/or Arabs on that map? I don't. So it's simple to say the Muslims stole the land from the Jews. Now if anyone can find a map showing the Muslims/Arabs were there "before the Jews", then go for it.

None of those kingdom existed after 70 a.d. In case you hadn't noticed, the folks that lived there over the millenia since then have more in common ancestor-wise with those ancient kingdoms than do a bunch of European-come-lately usurpers. If the Israelis want their lands back, go take them back from the Germans who stole them during WWII.

Edited December 3, 2011 by Crusty Old Perv

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Why are you and Rob relying on fanatical right wing Christian sites for your "evidence"?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

None of those kingdom existed after 70 a.d. In case you hadn't noticed, the folks that lived there over the millenia since then have more in common ancestor-wise with those ancient kingdoms than do a bunch of European-come-lately usurpers. If the Israelis want their lands back, go take them back from the Germans who stole them during WWII.

Post a map of Palestinians being there before the Jews. I see two Jewish kingdoms in that map, and no Arabs and no Muslims. So it looks to me like the Arabs stole the land from the Jews.

The only way it's going to get solved is through a winner take all war. So I say both sides should do it and get it over with.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Post a map of Palestinians being there before the Jews. I see two Jewish kingdoms in that map, and no Arabs and no Muslims. So it looks to me like the Arabs stole the land from the Jews.

The only way it's going to get solved is through a winner take all war. So I say both sides should do it and get it over with.

They all are Semites. They are all descendants of Abraham. The Jews left. The Palestinians stayed.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

They all are Semites. They are all descendants of Abraham. The Jews left. The Palestinians stayed.

I don't see any Palestine. I see Jewish lands and I'm guessing they were full of Jews. So again the Jews were there first, and it was their land. And again the only thing that is going to clear this up once and for all is a good ol fashioned war in a winner take all. Loser shuts up, and to the winner go the spoils.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

See that pic down below? It's built over a Jewish temple. If I were the Jews I would blow that thing to kingdom come and back.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

See that pic down below? It's built over a Jewish temple. If I were the Jews I would blow that thing to kingdom come and back.

Actually, it is built on the ruins of a temple built by Persian/Iranians later renovated by Herod on the ruins of Solomon's temple which the Babylonian/Iraqis destroyed after killing all the Israelite's and taking the Judian survivors into captivity.