N-400 December 2011 FILERS

ManuFred · April 18, 2012

Well, I just received an email from USCIS, stating the following:

I guess that means they still want me to give them the arrest records while, in fact, I am not able to produce that document... in other words: I'm screwed for something that I didn't even know at the time that I was doing.... sigh

indeed, Official police records are not released to the public n the Netherlands. In fact people who have never been arrested don't even have one over there. Maybe you should obtain a testimony of moral character i.o.w. verklaring omtrent het gedrag'. I'm nit sure if that covers USCIS desire. otherwise contact foreign affairs to ask them if they can help.

JeroenAndMichelle · April 18, 2012

Hold in there, it may have nothing to do with the arrest. At least it looks like the information is on the way to you so you should know soon. Please keep us informed and I hope everything works out okay for you.

You're right, it doesn't have to mean it's actually about the arrest record, but seeing how my day went, it is possible they do want it after all. I guess I'll know in a couple of days when the RFE comes in. I'll post what it is once I know

indeed, Official police records are not released to the public n the Netherlands. In fact people who have never been arrested don't even have one over there. Maybe you should obtain a testimony of moral character i.o.w. verklaring omtrent het gedrag'. I'm nit sure if that covers USCIS desire. otherwise contact foreign affairs to ask them if they can help.

I'm unsure if I can get the VOG, thing is that I believe you have to be registered with the 'burgerlijke stand' in the Netherlands in order to get this (this is out of the top of my head, I could be wrong about it though) and that the 'burgerlijke stand' also has to give it to you. I will wait until I know what the USCIS wants from the RFE but if it turns out they indeed want the arrest record, I will first call the justice department, the Dutch consulate and maybe the US consulate in Amsterdam, perhaps that they can give me a letter or something in which they state that I cannot get that information. I have no idea what else I could do.

I just checked online and according to justid.nl (a Dutch government site) it is possible to look at the documents in person at the district court of the city in the Netherlands that one lives in... obviously I do not live in the Netherlands so even if I wanted to see the papers in person (and, to be honest, I don't feel like that at all as it will cost me at least 1500 USD in travel costs alone), where would I look at them? They will never send this out, it can only be looked at in person...

Here's a quote from their site:

Recht op kennisneming
Het recht op kennisneming is een persoonlijk recht. U wordt schriftelijk geïnformeerd wanneer de gegevens kunnen worden ingezien bij de griffie van de arrondissementsrechtbank in het gebied waar u woonachtig bent.

Translated (for the non-Dutch speaking people among us:

Right to cognizance
The right to cognizance is a personal right. You will be informed in writing when the data can be viewed with the clerk of the district court in the area where you live.

source: http://www.justid.nl/index/inzage/

And actually, the whole situation might become even more weird... I read they either keep data for 5, 10 or 30 years depending on the weight of the crime and outcome of the court ruling (and then depending on the weight of the crime, they might add 10 years again). In my case, I transported stolen goods but never knew they were stolen when I did, I only found out after I got arrested. The court ruling was a suspended fine of 500 guilders (about 280 USD at the time). Suspended meaning: if I would do anything within 2 years, I would have to pay a fine of about 280 USD. I never had to pay anything as it was my only mishap.... so, really, if you think about it, even if I am able to look at the records, it might be very well have been erased as it happened 14 years ago and I doubt my "crime" was heavy enough for them to keep it 30 years...

But, like said by Darren and Crissy, maybe it is something else that they want.. I hope it is something simple and not about the arrest/police records because I have no idea how that will end if they need that :/

lws · April 18, 2012

Passed the interview in 10 minutes today, and did the same day oath ceremony, finally....

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ManuFred · April 18, 2012

You're right, it doesn't have to mean it's actually about the arrest record, but seeing how my day went, it is possible they do want it after all. I guess I'll know in a couple of days when the RFE comes in. I'll post what it is once I know

I'm unsure if I can get the VOG, thing is that I believe you have to be registered with the 'burgerlijke stand' in the Netherlands in order to get this (this is out of the top of my head, I could be wrong about it though) and that the 'burgerlijke stand' also has to give it to you. I will wait until I know what the USCIS wants from the RFE but if it turns out they indeed want the arrest record, I will first call the justice department, the Dutch consulate and maybe the US consulate in Amsterdam, perhaps that they can give me a letter or something in which they state that I cannot get that information. I have no idea what else I could do.

I just checked online and according to justid.nl (a Dutch government site) it is possible to look at the documents in person at the district court of the city in the Netherlands that one lives in... obviously I do not live in the Netherlands so even if I wanted to see the papers in person (and, to be honest, I don't feel like that at all as it will cost me at least 1500 USD in travel costs alone), where would I look at them? They will never send this out, it can only be looked at in person...

Here's a quote from their site:

Translated (for the non-Dutch speaking people among us:

source: http://www.justid.nl/index/inzage/

And actually, the whole situation might become even more weird... I read they either keep data for 5, 10 or 30 years depending on the weight of the crime and outcome of the court ruling (and then depending on the weight of the crime, they might add 10 years again). In my case, I transported stolen goods but never knew they were stolen when I did, I only found out after I got arrested. The court ruling was a suspended fine of 500 guilders (about 280 USD at the time). Suspended meaning: if I would do anything within 2 years, I would have to pay a fine of about 280 USD. I never had to pay anything as it was my only mishap.... so, really, if you think about it, even if I am able to look at the records, it might be very well have been erased as it happened 14 years ago and I doubt my "crime" was heavy enough for them to keep it 30 years...

But, like said by Darren and Crissy, maybe it is something else that they want.. I hope it is something simple and not about the arrest/police records because I have no idea how that will end if they need that :/

Hi Jeroen, I found this on the VOG. It looks like you can still order a VGO in the last county you registered with assuming you left NL after 1994. They also give you the option of having someone else getting it for you on your behalf. It looks like you were a first and last time offender so I don't see any reason for them to refuse you the VOG. This is probably the route you want to go in case USCIS comes back to you on this issue.

http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/verklaring-omtrent-het-gedrag/vraag-en-antwoord/hoe-vraag-ik-een-verklaring-omtrent-het-gedrag-vog-aan-als-ik-in-het-buitenland-woon.html

O by the way, if you get it. Make sure you get Apostille on the translation.

Edited April 18, 2012 by ManuFred

JeroenAndMichelle · April 19, 2012

Hi Jeroen, I found this on the VOG. It looks like you can still order a VGO in the last county you registered with assuming you left NL after 1994. They also give you the option of having someone else getting it for you on your behalf. It looks like you were a first and last time offender so I don't see any reason for them to refuse you the VOG. This is probably the route you want to go in case USCIS comes back to you on this issue.

http://www.rijksover...nland-woon.html

O by the way, if you get it. Make sure you get Apostille on the translation.

Thank you for looking this up. Hopefully I don't need it but it might be better than nothing at all if it turns out they still need something. Kind of hope they will accept this in that case, because I know the US consulate wouldn't accept the VOG.

Edit: it makes sense they don't always accept it as it doesn't say anything really about someone's behavior. The government could feel someone is ok to receive a VOG but still might have done something in the past. If you see the example on this page, it doesn't really say anything important that they might want to get: http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten-en-publicaties/brochures/2010/08/31/voorbeeld-verklaring-omtrent-het-gedrag-vog-rijkshuisstijl.html ..then again, if this is all I can get, it might be better than nothing.

Edited April 19, 2012 by JeroenAndMichelle

ManuFred · April 19, 2012

Thank you for looking this up. Hopefully I don't need it but it might be better than nothing at all if it turns out they still need something. Kind of hope they will accept this in that case, because I know the US consulate wouldn't accept the VOG.

Edit: it makes sense they don't always accept it as it doesn't say anything really about someone's behavior. The government could feel someone is ok to receive a VOG but still might have done something in the past. If you see the example on this page, it doesn't really say anything important that they might want to get: http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten-en-publicaties/brochures/2010/08/31/voorbeeld-verklaring-omtrent-het-gedrag-vog-rijkshuisstijl.html ..then again, if this is all I can get, it might be better than nothing.

I'm pretty confident that USCIS will accept this. They want to make sure you have nothing else on your plate in the Netherlands. This document would show you're in good standing with the Dutch government. It concerns a nationwide investigation by the Dutch Justice department so what else can they rely on. I think this would pretty much satisfy their needs.

love2win · April 19, 2012

Passed the Interview and OATH CEREMONY is next week 4/24/2012. Thanks and good luck y'all!!!

beejay · April 19, 2012

Thank you for looking this up. Hopefully I don't need it but it might be better than nothing at all if it turns out they still need something. Kind of hope they will accept this in that case, because I know the US consulate wouldn't accept the VOG.

Edit: it makes sense they don't always accept it as it doesn't say anything really about someone's behavior. The government could feel someone is ok to receive a VOG but still might have done something in the past. If you see the example on this page, it doesn't really say anything important that they might want to get: http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documenten-en-publicaties/brochures/2010/08/31/voorbeeld-verklaring-omtrent-het-gedrag-vog-rijkshuisstijl.html ..then again, if this is all I can get, it might be better than nothing.

Sorry to hear this turned out to be an issue for you at the interview. Let's hope the RFE isn't for the court record. If it is, then there are a lot of people on here who will be putting their heads together to help you figure it out. You will become a citizen!

JeroenAndMichelle · April 20, 2012

I'm pretty confident that USCIS will accept this. They want to make sure you have nothing else on your plate in the Netherlands. This document would show you're in good standing with the Dutch government. It concerns a nationwide investigation by the Dutch Justice department so what else can they rely on. I think this would pretty much satisfy their needs.

The problem is that they don't want to see if I have anything else on my plate, what they want me to show them is how the case was handled by the police, the exact story behind it and all, this is why they want the arrest records. This is why I highly doubt the VOG will be any good because it doesn't show anything really in that regard.

However, maybe it doesn't matter anymore as I received an email from USCIS yesterday afternoon stating the following

Your Case Status: Request for Evidence Response Review

On April 19, 2012, we received your response toour request for evidence.

Seeing how I never submitted any evidence yet (since I never received the RFE in the mail yet), I'm starting to believe it may have been for the biometrics. Perhaps they received the bio results and now have what they need. I just hope that the rest of my case review will be ok as well

Sorry to hear this turned out to be an issue for you at the interview. Let's hope the RFE isn't for the court record. If it is, then there are a lot of people on here who will be putting their heads together to help you figure it out. You will become a citizen!

Thanks. As you can see in my quote a little bit above, it might not have been for the court session but probably was for the biometrics. I surely hope it was only this and that my case will move forward now

Edited April 20, 2012 by JeroenAndMichelle

Shaq · April 20, 2012

O.K. People

My interview was on Wednesday the 18th.

My appointment was scheduled for 1.15pm in Los Angeles. I left home at 11.30am just in case traffic was bad on the 405 freeway.

Normal time to get to L.A. without too much traffic is about 40mins.

Traffic was heavy and i got to L.A. at about 12.20am. I am not to familiar with down town L.A. so i was relying on my iphone's GPS to show me the way.

I got to los Angeles street, but could not find the building or could'nt see the number of the building. After a couple of circles going around the building i finally asked a security guard and he kindly told me that the build was the right one , but there was no parking. Public parking was three blocks down the street.

After parking, paying $5.00 and walking all the way back in high heels, got to the door at 12.57pm. It took another 20mins to go through security.

Went to the interview room and was told to take my letter to window #1 and take a seat. All of a sudden durning my wait, i started getting very nervous. I was called by a nice gentleman who very impressively pronounced my full name, which is 4 names long.

He pronounced my name correctly,and i told he so.I was asked for my Driver's licence, greencard and passport.

I was then sworn in and we did the civics test, after the 1st 6 questions he stopped, then he asked me to write " California has a lot of people"

and he asked me to read three easy sentences.

We then went through my application, and all the questions, even my traffic tickets, i had listed 7 tickets, speeding, running red lights,suspended car registration etc. At the end of the interview, the computer could'nt close my interview out and so i could not get the congrats. letter. So they will send it in the mail.

But besides that, the interview went well and my officer was very nice.

6 questions i was asked.

Why did the colonists come to America.

Who veto's bills.

SORRY i was nervous so i dont remember the rest.

SO my worry is why did the computer refuse to close my interview- Traffic tickets?

Shaq

Edited April 20, 2012 by Shaq

ManuFred · April 20, 2012

The problem is that they don't want to see if I have anything else on my plate, what they want me to show them is how the case was handled by the police, the exact story behind it and all, this is why they want the arrest records. This is why I highly doubt the VOG will be any good because it doesn't show anything really in that regard.

However, maybe it doesn't matter anymore as I received an email from USCIS yesterday afternoon stating the following

Seeing how I never submitted any evidence yet (since I never received the RFE in the mail yet), I'm starting to believe it may have been for the biometrics. Perhaps they received the bio results and now have what they need. I just hope that the rest of my case review will be ok as well

Thanks. As you can see in my quote a little bit above, it might not have been for the court session but probably was for the biometrics. I surely hope it was only this and that my case will move forward now

Awesome, I like RFE's you don't have to reply too Let's say they're better than the ones you do have to reply too. Well, I guess you can book your next trip to the big island pretty soon.

Darren And Crissy · April 20, 2012

Updated my line to red

updated love2win oath date

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