Climategate II

[ready4ONE 5,400]

You have provided no data to support your claim, and again, the source in the OP is highly suspect. Do you have a credible source?

[luckytxn 2,265]

You have provided no data to support your claim, and again, the source in the OP is highly suspect. Do you have a credible source?

These are the actually emails and the scientists that were quoted in them had a press conference denouncing them saying they were for the most part out of context and such. Are you saying the source from the actual participants themselves are false?

[luckytxn 2,265]

You have provided no data to support your claim, and again, the source in the OP is highly suspect. Do you have a credible source?

These are actual emails where the so called climate scientists never thought their emails would be seen by anyone. They were caught falsifying reports. They were caught FAKING SCIENCE. They were caught period. They were in this batch of emails caught politicizing this to give the U.S. and U.K. governments what they wanted and were paid to do.

[웃 910]

Real science would never do this.

And a real scientist doesn't think he is communicating with an intergalactic Invisible Super Duper Powerful and Intelligent Matter by closing his eyes and thinking inside his brain

[AKteacher 104]

Luckytxn, I'm sorry but you are simply wrong. Nearly all scientists agree that the earth is warming. Furthermore, the so-called "climategate" has been debunked by at least 6 independent investigations; here are some sources:

http://factcheck.org/2009/12/climategate/

http://news.sciencemag.org/scienceinsider/2010/04/oxburgh-report-clears-controvers.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-10899538

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2011/02/24/science-climategate-noaa.html

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/61233/uk-climategate-inquiry-largely-clears.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/08/science/earth/08climate.html

You can call it a vast conspiracy if you like. You can also say the earth is flat, the sky is not blue, or whatever... doesn't make it true.

An entirely different issue (and one which is very much up for debate) is what we should do about the well-established fact that the earth's climate is warming. What measures can or should be taken to deal with this problem? Should we (or is it even possible?) to completely change the way we live on this planet? Can we/should we even try to reverse the industrial revolution, or should we try to engineer some sort of reverse effect? Or should we simply try to adapt as best we can? These are relevant debates that are worth having. Hiding our heads in the sand by denying reality seems to me to be the worst approach.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Luckytxn, I'm sorry but you are simply wrong. Nearly all scientists agree that the earth is warming. Furthermore, the so-called "climategate" has been debunked by at least 6 independent investigations; here are some sources:

http://factcheck.org...12/climategate/

http://news.sciencem...controvers.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk...-essex-10899538

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...egate-noaa.html

http://www.deccanher...ely-clears.html

https://www.nytimes..../08climate.html

You can call it a vast conspiracy if you like. You can also say the earth is flat, the sky is not blue, or whatever... doesn't make it true.

An entirely different issue (and one which is very much up for debate) is what we should do about the well-established fact that the earth's climate is warming. What measures can or should be taken to deal with this problem? Should we (or is it even possible?) to completely change the way we live on this planet? Can we/should we even try to reverse the industrial revolution, or should we try to engineer some sort of reverse effect? Or should we simply try to adapt as best we can? These are relevant debates that are worth having. Hiding our heads in the sand by denying reality seems to me to be the worst approach.

No you are wrong. Nearly all Climatologists agree but they are the ones that stand to lose funding if there is no climate scare. That makes them highly susceptible to commit fraud as has been done and proven. Climategate has never been debunked ever. The investigations showed that no crime that can be prosecuted was done. The emails are a proven fact and shows deception and fraud. These latest even goes further and shows the government complicity. I never even said it was a vast conspiracy but a conspiracy that has been proven by the way by a group that stands to make a huge amount of money from having funds in vast amounts thrown their way.

There is no well established fact that the earth is even warming up more than naturally would occur. You can fall for the fraud all you want but the vast majority will not so the game will not be played out like you want it to. You may even have your hand out to grab your part of the cash but makes no difference as the fraud has been uncovered and shown. You and the other sheep can bleet all you want. Obama will listen to you for at least this election cycle.

Fraudsters were found out, boo hoo.

[AKteacher 104]

No you are wrong. Nearly all Climatologists agree but they are the ones that stand to lose funding if there is no climate scare. That makes them highly susceptible to commit fraud as has been done and proven. Climategate has never been debunked ever. The investigations showed that no crime that can be prosecuted was done. The emails are a proven fact and shows deception and fraud. These latest even goes further and shows the government complicity. I never even said it was a vast conspiracy but a conspiracy that has been proven by the way by a group that stands to make a huge amount of money from having funds in vast amounts thrown their way.

There is no well established fact that the earth is even warming up more than naturally would occur. You can fall for the fraud all you want but the vast majority will not so the game will not be played out like you want it to. You may even have your hand out to grab your part of the cash but makes no difference as the fraud has been uncovered and shown. You and the other sheep can bleet all you want. Obama will listen to you for at least this election cycle.

Fraudsters were found out, boo hoo.

Your assertion that all the climate scientists in the world are faking all their data so they can make money by having climate research funded is just pure nonsense. It is the fossil fuel industrial complex (which I'm not against by the way; I buy gas, too) who are the ones who stand to make huge amounts of money by keeping the status quo, far more money than will ever be spent on climate studies. That's why they fund organizations like the Heartland Institute that promote findings that go against modern scientific consensus.

I hope that you're right and I'm wrong, and that no global warming is occurring or will occur. But I will trust worldwide scientific opinions and findings far more than industry-financed studies that have a vested interest in the status quo. I guess people will just have to make up their own minds.

[luckytxn 2,265]

Your assertion that all the climate scientists in the world are faking all their data so they can make money by having climate research funded is just pure nonsense. It is the fossil fuel industrial complex (which I'm not against by the way; I buy gas, too) who are the ones who stand to make huge amounts of money by keeping the status quo, far more money than will ever be spent on climate studies. That's why they fund organizations like the Heartland Institute that promote findings that go against modern scientific consensus.

I hope that you're right and I'm wrong, and that no global warming is occurring or will occur. But I will trust worldwide scientific opinions and findings far more than industry-financed studies that have a vested interest in the status quo. I guess people will just have to make up their own minds.

And I will trust real science and studies that don't delete data to satisfy their wanted or needed goals. A real science is one that brings in all data and not just the wanted data that will achieve the wanted goals. A real science will allow all dissenting opinion and reports and studies. I am being generous here and saying it is a theory and not what it truly is and that is a hypothesis.

So far I have read and reviewed every major and even minor studies and reports and every single one has been shown to be riddled with omitted data, false data, etc. They have only allowed a small of like minded peer review. Character assassination of any that disagree. If any study is in disagreement it is said they were paid by a competing technology. It can go on but the Climatologists gave done a severe blow to real science by this charade.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Tex you trust a source that makes up facts out of whole cloth and is flat out wrong in regards to science.