The Southern Border

[wayno 9]

The ILLIGALS are voting now. My wife works with many. They have stolen identities, false green cards with someones actual ss# and a fake name. They have several kids and collect on them. They claim a bunch of dependents so no taxes are taken out. They send the rest of their money to Mexico, then they cry the blues because they are poor and want people to pitty them which unfortunatly seems to work. And they vote. When the fake paperwork they have expires they buy new papers. When the company checks they're papers all is legal. They have no drivers license or insurance and any ID they have is fake. They get pulled over, wreck, or kill someone---nothing is done to them. Guess who pays?

In regards to the border it's a shame we cant even feel safe there anymore. I have several friends down there who used to do a lot of hunting on some of the ranches and now you can't safely go there anymore. This is our country, not these drug dealing, murdering, illigal theves. I truly support any and all means possible to rid this country of them and that includes deportation, imprisonment, heavy fines (or imprisonment for repeats) to any corporation as well as independent contractors and small companies that hire them, and no more citizenship by birth (unless one parent is a US citizen). Also build a wall to keep those bastards out and bring our military home and post them on the border. How bout beefing up the port security as well.

IMO it's time to clean house. And a good start would be on returning the border to the US so people can once again feel safe on it. Then of course rid Washington of all current polititions and start fresh. I'm a republican but will be the first to say that the problems come equally from both party's.

[Captain Oates 911]

Arbitrarily turning illegal foreigners into voting citizens for personal political gain of one party is a circumvention of democracy. It doesn't stop the Democrats from repeatedly trying to do it though.

As far as your comment about Republicans disenfranchising blacks...if you knew anything about American history (which you apparently don't) you would know it was Democrats that were the culprits. I suggest you go to a good public library do some reading.

I order to vote, a person must first have a green card, and then later they become a citizen. At that point they are entitled to vote and to call for changes in the way the US is governed.

I have followed your recommendation and deeply researched all cases of illegal foreigners being turned into citizens but I have failed to find a single instance.

I did find a German SS officer member of the Nazi party and favorite of Adolf Hitler - a certain 'Vernher von Braun' being made a citizen

No doubt you people thought that he fitted in nicely ? He was white and extremely right wing, so I guess that's different eh ?

[peejay 327]

I order to vote, a person must first have a green card, and then later they become a citizen. At that point they are entitled to vote and to call for changes in the way the US is governed.

I have followed your recommendation and deeply researched all cases of illegal foreigners being turned into citizens but I have failed to find a single instance.

I did find a German SS officer member of the Nazi party and favorite of Adolf Hitler - a certain 'Vernher von Braun' being made a citizen

No doubt you people thought that he fitted in nicely ? He was white and extremely right wing, so I guess that's different eh ?

I suggest more research at the library and a trip to a psychiatrist.

[Captain Oates 911]

I suggest more research at the library and a trip to a psychiatrist.

Truth hurts doesn't it..

[peejay 327]

Truth hurts doesn't it..

Ignorance is bliss. Get a clue.

[Captain Oates 911]

Ignorance is bliss. Get a clue.

Wehner Von Braun - wiki him and get educated about this SS officer and pal of Hitler, the killer of thousands of British citizens with his V2 rockets who was invited to become a US Citizen.

Now lets have your example of illegals made citizens

What - none ?

Oh dear - look like you made it up....I called you

Edited November 20, 2011 by Ashud Cocoa

[Pooky 3,784]

Wehner Von Braun - wiki him and get educated about this SS officer and pal of Hitler, the killer of thousands of British citizens with his V2 rockets who was invited to become a US Citizen.

Now lets have your example of illegals made citizens

What - none ?

Oh dear - look like you made it up....I called you

Different times, different imperatives.

Think what might have happened if the Soviets has managed to get their hands on Von Braun.

[Captain Oates 911]

Different times, different imperatives.

Think what might have happened if the Soviets has managed to get their hands on Von Braun.

As I remember it , the Russians got into space first before the americans and got their Atomic weapons very quickly too - so the SS officer didn't make that much difference because it was american exceptionalism that got the USA to the moon right ?

Talk about trying to have it both ways - either it was worth hiring a nazi killer because american exceptional wasn't enough on its own, or american exceptionalism would have been enough on its own - in which case why hire an SS officer with the blood of tens of thousands of British on his hands ?

Well now the truth comes out - this appeal to right and wrong seems to go out of the window when the right wing have an imperative

Perhaps the left have an imperative now - in which case the imperatives cancel out and nobody is the bad guy. Or both.

Why don't we just admit the obvious - that all the governments are unprincipled and don't even know what right and wrong is and don't care.

Edited November 20, 2011 by Ashud Cocoa

[Pooky 3,784]

As I remember it , the Russians got into space first before the americans and got their Atomic weapons very quickly too - so the SS officer didn't make that much difference because it was american exceptionalism that got the USA to the moon right ?

Talk about trying to have it both ways - either it was worth hiring a nazi killer because american exceptional wasn't enough on its own, or american exceptionalism would have been enough on its own - in which case why hire an SS officer with the blood of tens of thousands of British on his hands ?

Well now the truth comes out - this appeal to right and wrong seems to go out of the window when the right wing have an imperative

Perhaps the left have an imperative now - in which case the imperatives cancel out and nobody is the bad guy. Or both.

Why don't we just admit the obvious - that all the governments are unprincipled and don't even know what right and wrong is and don't care.

Without Von Braun, would the Americans have been as close behind the Soviets as they were? Probably not.

Was he brought to the USA under a Republican administration? No, I'm pretty sure Harry Truman was a Democrat.

Are both sides of the American political coin the bad guys. Yes.

[Captain Oates 911]

Without Von Braun, would the Americans have been as close behind the Soviets as they were? Probably not.

Was he brought to the USA under a Republican administration? No, I'm pretty sure Harry Truman was a Democrat.

Are both sides of the American political coin the bad guys. Yes.

It's another irony that nowadays the americans are sneering at the europeans as being socialists who have failed, when in the past they were scrambling with the Russians to get as many German scientists as they could - most of whom were produced under the Nazi education system

So the Americans don't want the Germans to be right wing Nazis and don't want them to be left wing socialists and don't want them to be Wisconsinites either because they have unions. The Germans will continue to be Germans and they are going to come put on top.

Me, I am filling the truck with German stocks like Bayer, Siemens and BASF - all at bargain basement prices, and backing the German education system to deliver the goods.

If the euro currency collapses, the D-mark will come back 40% up.

The Americans are going to need their Mexican wage slaves in order to compete with the Chinese to make plastic Christmas tree decorations for the Germans - so they should not give them such a hard time

The pears are rotting on the trees here - no mexican wage slaves to pick them because of border controls

Tear down that fence Mr Obama !

[Pooky 3,784]

The pears are rotting on the trees here - no mexican wage slaves to pick them because of border controls

Tear down that fence Mr Obama !

And you're still evading the issue of the Mexican cartels using the USA as a sanctuary, to evade justice in Mexico and to propagate their misery further into the USA. Why is that?

[Captain Oates 911]

And you're still evading the issue of the Mexican cartels using the USA as a sanctuary, to evade justice in Mexico and to propagate their misery further into the USA. Why is that?

The border is not manned by Mr Obama but by the US Border Patrol who do their own thing

Inside the US it's the State Police, FBI etc - non of whom are being told to be inactive by Barry O

The idea that this Kenyan Islamic plant, Barry Obamullah is ordering all the US law enforcement agencies to be nice to his fellow terrorists is just reality show stuff

If I were wanting to evade justice, I would sure rather do it in Mexico than the US

Bonny and Clyde found that out

Didn't you ever watch the cowboy films - you do the crime in the US and then ride south for the border - not the other way round

US Officials are unbribable and exceptional so criminals will be less safe here

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[peejay 327]

Now lets have your example of illegals made citizens

What - none ?

Oh dear - look like you made it up....I called you

I'm still trying to figure out whether you are willfully ignorant or just plain stupid. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and call your statements ignorance at best. Yes...get a library card and spend some time there reading some books. It might do you some good. Maybe it will help you to not look so foolish when you make statements such as those above about subjects you obviously know nothing about.

[Pooky 3,784]

The border is not manned by Mr Obama but by the US Border Patrol who do their own thing

Inside the US it's the State Police, FBI etc - non of whom are being told to be inactive by Barry O

The idea that this Kenyan Islamic plant, Barry Obamullah is ordering all the US law enforcement agencies to be nice to his fellow terrorists is just reality show stuff

If I were wanting to evade justice, I would sure rather do it in Mexico than the US

Bonny and Clyde found that out

Didn't you ever watch the cowboy films - you do the crime in the US and then ride south for the border - not the other way round

US Officials are unbribable and exceptional so criminals will be less safe here

Really? Your disingenuous attempts to paint this as an anti-Obama issue shows you really have no clue. It has nothing to do with misguided beliefs about his origins, or religion. It has everything to do with border security. This issue has been going on through this administration, the last (Republican) one and preceding administrations.

As the those who are against AZ SB 1070 and similar State-level legislation would state, border policy should be a Federal-level responsibility. The Federal government sets the priorities, dictates the areas of policy enforcement and therefore is directly responsible for the level of non-enforcement taking place right now.

And you obviously didn't read, or don't understand, the OP article. Cowboy films are so last century. The Mexican government forces are getting better at dealing with the cartels, such that they now feel safer on the US side of the border. They should not feel safe, out of reach of law enforcement, anywhere, least of all in the USA.

Edited November 21, 2011 by Pooky

[Captain Oates 911]

Really? Your disingenuous attempts to paint this as an anti-Obama issue shows you really have no clue. It has nothing to do with misguided beliefs about his origins, or religion. It has everything to do with border security. This issue has been going on through this administration, the last (Republican) one and preceding administrations.

As the those who are against AZ SB 1070 and similar State-level legislation would state, border policy should be a Federal-level responsibility. The Federal government sets the priorities, dictates the areas of policy enforcement and therefore is directly responsible for the level of non-enforcement taking place right now.

And you obviously didn't read, or don't understand, the OP article. Cowboy films are so last century. The Mexican government forces are getting better at dealing with the cartels, such that they now feel safer on the US side of the border. They should not feel safe, out of reach of law enforcement, anywhere, least of all in the USA.

Well the Conservatives blame the government for inaction

Then next minute they don't want any government

..and a Conservative congressman blocks attempts to make it harder for illegals to work, thus encouraging the number of illegals amongst whom the criminals can hide

Shouldn't we blame the americans who are demanding all these drugs, or is that too simplistic ?

I mean if you were always dropping crumbs all over your kitchen floor, would you blame the cockroaches for coming in, or rentakill for not doing a good job ?

Edited November 21, 2011 by Ashud Cocoa