Russian lawmakers back fines for gay propaganda

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

http://news.yahoo.com/russian-lawmakers-back-fines-gay-propaganda-144702163.html

AFP – 7 hrs ago

Lawmakers from the ruling United Russia party have backed a controversial bill imposing fines for the promotion of gay "propaganda" among young people in the city of Saint Petersburg.

The bill proposed by the United Russia faction was passed in its first reading on Wednesday in the city's parliament, where the party controls 23 out of 50 seats.

It would need to be passed in two further readings to become law.

Gay rights activists held pickets and gathered signatures in a petition against the bill. Two people were detained Wednesday for standing with protest signs near the parliament building, local media reported.

Under the bill, anyone who committed "public acts" promoting homosexuality, bisexuality or transgender identity to minors could pay up to 3,000 rubles ($97.50), while an organisation could pay 10,000 to 50,000 rubles.

The bill gave no definition of a public act, with activists saying it could be used to crack down on gay pride events, which are regularly banned in Russia.

The bill also imposes the same fines for promoting paedophilia, tacitly equating it with homosexuality, which was decriminalised in Russia in 1993 under the presidency of Boris Yeltsin.

Its backer Vitaly Milonov of the United Russia party said it was intended to "stop the flow of immoral information that pours over children and young people," in an official commentary.

"Sometimes parents and schools are unable to stand up to the powerful showbusiness industry that promotes immorality and permissiveness," he said.

The Memorial Anti-Discrimination Centre in St Petersburg, a rights group, issued a statement calling for deputies to vote down the bill, saying it "contradicted Russian and international legal norms."

If passed, the bill "will spoil the reputation not only of Russia but of Saint Petersburg as a European city," Igor Kochetkov of the city's LGBT Network rights group said in a video blog.

The bill had the aim "on the eve of elections to get the votes of the most conservative voters," he said.

Casual homophobia is common in Russia, where almost no public figure has spoken openly about being gay.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Good for Russia.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Good to see hate is alive and well on VJ, perhaps even tenderly curated. One of the more charming aspects of this forum.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Good to see hate is alive and well on VJ, perhaps even tenderly curated. One of the more charming aspects of this forum.

Are gays allowed to marry and then immigrate to the US on a spousal visa? I don't think so. So try again.

This is an immigration site is it not?

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Are gays allowed to marry and then immigrate to the US on a spousal visa? I don't think so. So try again.

This is an immigration site is it not?

This is the Politics & Religion sub-forum, is it not? And was that not an offshoot of the Off Topic forum, wherein issues not relating to immigration process and procedure were to be discussed? Are there not people on here who are seeking visas that are not marriage-based? One could petition for one's gay child, for example, were the child of the appropriate age, or indeed for one's gay brother, sister or even parent. There are gay people who win the green card lottery. Being gay does not exclude a person from becoming a permanent resident.

Furthermore, this is a family-friendly website, as we are often reminded. Hate is not a family value. Still further, I would refer you to the TOS, and particular the sub-section entitled, "Permitted Uses."

Now go get me a beer.

[sandinista! 1,816]

US stupidity and bigotry re. marriage law and immigration aside, you're completely off the mark in addressing the gist of her comment.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

US stupidity and bigotry re. marriage law and immigration aside, you're completely off the mark in addressing the gist of her comment.

I understand Maven only too well. Some of us find the gay life style revolting.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Hate is not a family value. Take this filth elsewhere. And where's my beer?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Hate is not a family value. Take this filth elsewhere. And where's my beer?

Your making this way too easy for me. First off same sex marriages don't fly with the US immigration services. Second no visa form has anything on it asking if someone is a homosexual or not. Third there are a lot of us out there that find the homosexual lifestyle sickening, perverted and absolutely revolting.

Now if I ever get the urge to dress up like a chick and have another man stick his pen0r up my ####### right after I give him a knob job you will be the first one on here I notify. But don't hold your breath on that ever happening.

Edited November 18, 2011 by Why_Me

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Your making this way too easy for me. First off same sex marriages don't fly with the US immigration services. Second no visa form has anything on it asking if someone is a homosexual or not. Third there are a lot of us out there that find the homosexual lifestyle sickening, perverted and absolutely revolting.

Now if I ever get the urge to dress up like a chick and have another man stick his pen0r up my ####### right after I give him a knob job you will be the first one on here I notify. But don't hold your breath on that ever happening.

I never said anything about same sex marriage in my earlier post. I pointed out the very many other forms of immigration that are outside the ambit of matrimony; surely such people would (and do) find VJ useful. I find your lifestyle sickening, perverted and absolutely revolting, but I don't post and re-post to the near brink of spam-posting articles that I think show "people like you" in a bad light. I let you do that for yourself.

There are people on here who are gay and bisexual. There are people on here who have family and friends who are gay and bisexual. Your words are hate. They don't belong here. Were you writing about interracial couples -- and lest we forget, only 40% of Mississippians think that interracial marriage should be legal -- you'd be booed off of here.

I don't care about your sex life. What you do in that arena is your business. I'm sure you don't care about mine, nor do I want you to. Why should you care about the sex lives of strangers whose actions have no effect on your life? Grow up. People have sex. Big whoop.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I never said anything about same sex marriage in my earlier post. I pointed out the very many other forms of immigration that are outside the ambit of matrimony; surely such people would (and do) find VJ useful. I find your lifestyle sickening, perverted and absolutely revolting, but I don't post and re-post to the near brink of spam-posting articles that I think show "people like you" in a bad light. I let you do that for yourself.

There are people on here who are gay and bisexual. There are people on here who have family and friends who are gay and bisexual. Your words are hate. They don't belong here. Were you writing about interracial couples -- and lest we forget, only 40% of Mississippians think that interracial marriage should be legal -- you'd be booed off of here.

I don't care about your sex life. What you do in that arena is your business. I'm sure you don't care about mine, nor do I want you to. Why should you care about the sex lives of strangers whose actions have no effect on your life? Grow up. People have sex. Big whoop.

I'm betting there are also rapist, bank robbers, spouse beaters, child molesters, racist, and very possibly terrorist on this site also. So what's your point?

Labeling my post as a "hate post" is junior league at best on your part. Try harder.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I never said anything about same sex marriage in my earlier post. I pointed out the very many other forms of immigration that are outside the ambit of matrimony; surely such people would (and do) find VJ useful. I find your lifestyle sickening, perverted and absolutely revolting, but I don't post and re-post to the near brink of spam-posting articles that I think show "people like you" in a bad light. I let you do that for yourself.

There are people on here who are gay and bisexual. There are people on here who have family and friends who are gay and bisexual. Your words are hate. They don't belong here. Were you writing about interracial couples -- and lest we forget, only 40% of Mississippians think that interracial marriage should be legal -- you'd be booed off of here.

I don't care about your sex life. What you do in that arena is your business. I'm sure you don't care about mine, nor do I want you to. Why should you care about the sex lives of strangers whose actions have no effect on your life? Grow up. People have sex. Big whoop.

just because you find something revolting/sickening, does not signify hate in the way you are using it.... "Hate" is thrown around WAY too much.

You want to talk about "Hate?" - Ask the family of James Byrd Jr.

[Danno 1,228]

Hate is not a family value. Take this filth elsewhere. And where's my beer?

Hate can be a family value.

Around here, we hate freeloaders, we hate when people throw trash on our lawn, we also hate watching the culture go down the tubes so everyone feels "normal" and accepted".

A family should have many values, and hate in the proper place is one.

A Time for Everything

1There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven—

2A time to give birth and a time to die;

A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted.

3A time to kill and a time to heal;

A time to tear down and a time to build up.

4A time to weep and a time to laugh;

A time to mourn and a time to dance.

5A time to throw stones and a time to gather stones;

A time to embrace and a time to shun embracing.

6A time to search and a time to give up as lost;

A time to keep and a time to throw away.

7A time to tear apart and a time to sew together;

A time to be silent and a time to speak.

8A time to love and a time to hate;

A time for war and a time for peace.

[VanessaTony 3,567]

There's a BIG difference between "public acts promoting homosexuality to minors" and "supporting homosexuality". The information should be available of course, but just like I don't want my kids to have religion, politics, sex and violence shoved down their throats, I don't want their sexual orientation discussed either... they need to think for themselves.

I'm not saying homosexuality is wrong but there are SO many girls I used to know that pretended to be bi just so they could get guys attention. I also knew a guy that kissed a guy because his gf was bi and he wanted to impress her. Again I couldn't care less what people do but this is about stopping the public promotion of it to impressionable minors.

Example. A young girl I know went to see a school counsellor, she was fine it was just the standard meet-and-greet. Gave her a WHOLE bunch of paperwork about depression and bi-polar disorder. Wouldn't you know she starts going on about how she's this and that and starting to show the symptoms. Kids are impressionable. We should TEACH them but allow them to make up their own minds. Give them the options. Let them read and learn their options but promotions one way or the other just makes them want to "fit in" rather than being who they are.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I'm betting there are also rapist, bank robbers, spouse beaters, child molesters, racist, and very possibly terrorist on this site also. So what's your point?

The examples you provide are of criminals. Being gay is not a crime in America, and that's something we should be proud of.

Honestly, for someone who professes to be so disgusted by homosexuality, you do seem to post about it rather a lot. I would think that one would avoid people that one does not approve of. I for one generally do not like right-wing nutjobs, gun freaks, dirty hippies or the sub-literate, so I avoid mixing with such types in real life. Alas, on VJ, I can't filter them out quite as well.