Concealed weapons permits cross state lines.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Not so in England. Felons (what a quaint old word)with guns are incredibly rare. It can be done.

I was burgled regularly in England (3 times while I was in bed) and my car (Mercedes) broken into about 3 times a year - it never crossed my mind that they would armed - they NEVER were

You just shoo em away and that's it.

I am sure you can google a coup of serious incidents in the big cities but really it just doesn't happen. That's why the Police are not armed - it would only encourage the criminals to be armed. Someone has to break the cycle and the police broke the cycle so that felons don't need guns and for all practical purposes, the criminals can be assumed not to have them.

The criminals don't have guns because the penalties are severe and availability is difficult and their opponents, the householders and police don't have them so there is no need

Easy !

Any felon in Alaska...and maybe anywhere in the US...no idea about that, can go to court to get their gun rights back. Whether they decide to give them back to you is a different thing. Charges, etc... Seeing how my hunting buddy and neighbor here is the only judge within a few hundred miles...I got my gun rights back...that and I serviced his boiler...no boiler no heat, no heat here in Alaska = sucksville seeing how it's -14 here atm.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Why_Me

[Captain Oates 911]

We've done it twice before.....

I suppose you are referring to the civil war ..don't know about the other..

As I remember it the rebels lost, their cities were burned and they were reduced to 150 years of being a bunch of losers

When did the militias every take on the US military and win ?

It's a crazy hallucination

The fact is that anyone in the USA who owns a gun in order to overthrow the government by killing US service people, overcoming the whole of the US Military and Police, is a fantasist

If they think the Military and police would be on their side, then they sure wouldn't need backup from the militias in order to overcome Barny Frank and Nancy Pelosi

Think about it - its really stupid

Edited November 17, 2011 by Ashud Cocoa

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I suppose you are referring to the civil war ..don't know about the other..

As I remember it the rebels lost, their cities were burned and they were reduced to 150 years of being a bunch of losers

When did the militias every take on the US military and win ?

It's a crazy hallucination

The fact is that anyone in the USA who owns a gun in order to overthrow the government by killing US service people, overcoming the whole of the US Military and Police, is a fantasist

If they think the Military and police would be on their side, then they sure wouldn't need backup from the militias in order to overcome Barny Frank and Nancy Pelosi

Think about it - its really stupid

The first was the revolution. We were British then, we killed our own etc.

[SuperDuper! 230]

Stupid idea. Nobody needs to carry a concealed weapon.

This post discredits you by your own words.

If someone is a Peace Officer, they are a certified firearms professional and have the right to carry.

I want someone trained in firearms present with a hand gun on their hip when a maniac is busy killing others in a shopping mall or somewhere where I am.

Really dude?

Think B4 posting!

Edited November 17, 2011 by Boing!

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

This post discredits you by your own words.

If someone is a Peace Officer, they are a certified firearms professional and have the right to carry.

I want someone trained in firearms present with a hand gun on their hip when a maniac is busy killing others in a shopping mall or somewhere where I am.

Really dude?

Think B4 posting!

Crusty Old Perv, on 16 November 2011 - 10:05 AM, said:

Stupid idea. Nobody needs to carry a concealed weapon.

Compare and contrast, before you step in it again.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Crusty Old Perv

[SuperDuper! 230]

Compare and contrast, before you step in it again.

You still did not make your point.

Yes, when people are known to carry CCW, then SUDDENLY, everyone becomes more polite.

Why are you so anti-gun? Who over-influenced you?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

You still did not make your point.

Yes, when people are known to carry CCW, then SUDDENLY, everyone becomes more polite.

Why are you so anti-gun? Who over-influenced you?

The research would not bear out your thesis. The level of overconfidence you experience knowing you are armed when no one else knows for sure, puts your life to risk by a factor of 5 compared to normally wary unarmed citizens.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

You still did not make your point.

Yes, when people are known to carry CCW, then SUDDENLY, everyone becomes more polite.

Why are you so anti-gun? Who over-influenced you?

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/4340/vjsigcali.jpg <---- Crusty lives near the Bay Area. He was most likely heavily influenced by the people in that link.

[Captain Oates 911]

The first was the revolution. We were British then, we killed our own etc.

That doesn't count - the Brits burned the white house down in 1814 and told you to behave so that's an end to that.

This is 2011 and the government is the US government elected by the US voters.

Any US Citizen who keeps a gun with the express intention to attack and kill members of the US military or Police because they don't like the government, should be dragged out and hung and then tried in court.

Its a pathetic reason to own a gun and people who do it should be ashamed of themselves

They spend half their time saluting and idolizing the US Military and the other half plotting to kill them if it suits their right wing crazy militia agenda. They buy armor piercing bullets to go through the body armor of the US Military. Disgraceful.

" Bring it" as Rick Perry might say - they deserve all they are going to get AND they will loose their guns if they cant come up with a better excuse than that to own one.

I have more guns than the average American and I am going to loose those too if these idiots don't get out of the gun lobby and into the real world of 2011.

It isn't Barny Frank you will be taking a pop at - its the US Marines - see you on CNN when you do.

[SuperDuper! 230]

The research would not bear out your thesis. The level of overconfidence you experience knowing you are armed when no one else knows for sure, puts your life to risk by a factor of 5 compared to normally wary unarmed citizens.

Sorry, your name does not bear out YOUR thesis. Lately a small story involving Penn State and some guy named Sandusky, who was showering with boys deserves the name Crusty Old Perv...It doesn't suit you well, so can't take anything seriously from this name. Get along!

Peace.

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

Any US Citizen who keeps a gun with the express intention to attack and kill members of the US military or Police because they don't like the government, should be dragged out and hung and then tried in court.

apparently "due process" wasn't part of your citizenship exam.

[xebec 195]

That doesn't count - the Brits burned the white house down in 1814 and told you to behave so that's an end to that.

This is 2011 and the government is the US government elected by the US voters.

Any US Citizen who keeps a gun with the express intention to attack and kill members of the US military or Police because they don't like the government, should be dragged out and hung and then tried in court.

Of course it counts. What a stunning display of ignorance....

The American Revolution launched and age of democratic revolution that is still in motion. Take a remedial history class or something...

Americans have resisted bad government in the past, sometimes violently, and will do so in the future, I'm sure. Your quivering "englishness" will apparently never dissipate, so I guess you'll just always have to live with whatever bolder men allow you...

Oh, and btw.... the britiots burned an empty Washington DC, but paid the price at New Orleans. The only good redcoat's a dead....well, you understand, I'm certain...

[Captain Oates 911]

apparently "due process" wasn't part of your citizenship exam.

We dug Oliver Cromwell's body up 10 years after he was buried - and hung it !

That's what I call due process.

There is little in the US constitution that wasn't in the English Bill of Rights 1689 - most of it was a straight lift including free speech/search/lodging of soldiers/right to bear arms/coveting neighbors ox etc etc

Me and the US Marines will sort these Militias out and if that doesn't work I will set my wife on em

They deserve as much due process as al-malarky and ossy - none - a drone up their trouser leg is what they deserve. A big one.

Bunch of Tim McVeighs they are - unibombers - weirdos. They threaten to kill US Military if there is universal health care and profess the the right of life at the egg stage at the same time. How confused is that !

Kill a US Marine, save a Mississippi egg ! Country run by a bunch of bearded militia men with republicans being hatched out of South Carolina eggs in special hatcheries. Conservative Egg Czars !

When they get that, they will go on to pass a law that if a southern gal says no to a guy, that is a form of contraception/abortion and she can get 20 years no parole for her refusal if he has a conservative voting record.

I will leave it there as they are writing it down into their manifesto

[Leatherneck 693]

You mean you are actually going to shoot US military and police if you get a tyrannical government ?

It wont be guys with dark suits out there - you will be shooting US Military

Would you do that ?

The military are worshiped here - usually by people who keep guns for the purpose of killing them if they don't like the government

Its a strange concept

Absolutely not, I would never want to nor do I have any desire to engage military personnel. I have to disagree with your assessment " usually by people who keep guns for the purpose of killing them if they don't like the government."

Freedom loving patriots problems would not be with the military, but with the clowns in Congress and the clowns in the Executive branch. If government went from the soft tryanny we have now to a full blown tryanny, it would be those in government violating the Constitution and the oath they took. Which is pretty normal for them anyway.

Unlike other third world banana republics, most members of the uniformed services take very seriously the oath "to uphold and defend the Constitution." No where does the uniform military oath mention defending the government or the arses in Congress.

We are a nation of laws and not a nation of men. Every member of the armed forces understands he/she has not only a right, but a duty to disobey an illegal order, and I would put turning weapons on American citizens pretty high on the list of an illegal order. Most military commanders have more than a cup full of ethics as part of their character, whereas politicians and bureaucrats have next to none.

With that said, I have confidence that an order to 'turn too' on American citizens from Washington would be ignored by the commanders in the field, besides, I don't think an order of such seriousness would make it passed of the pentagon... not to mention it wouldn't get passed the Joint Chiefs.

However, I have zero faith in local law enforcement officers, I have no doubt many of those men/women would not hesitate do the harm to citizens if the feces hit the fan. Those guys have no problem with lying and covering up for each other.

The military runs a tighter ship than law enforcement, members of the military are held accountable for their actions all the way up the chain of command.

Therefore I don't envision a shooting match with the military, but if it did come down to that... there are far more prior military citizens and guns than active duty military and we love this country far more than we love those damn fools in DC.

Don't under estimate the American love of freedom nor the willingness to take up arms against DC to remain free.

Edited November 17, 2011 by Leatherneck

[luckytxn 2,264]

The only way to find out if us Americans would go armed revolt is to push the envelope to where it would be necessarily to do so. So far even the Feds haven't brought that down but we will fight by whatever means to try not to make it happen. I personally think most of Americans are now too soft to fight for our rights and that is why we will lose them.

Socialism has done us in and made us wussies. I have been to Communist countries and seen heavy military dictatorships. The people were beat down horribly. To go to a country where almost to a person I heard there was no hope made me shake my head.

To see now the people that have risen up against the police and military at the risk of their lives this past year (And still ongoing) makes me happy.