Concealed weapons permits cross state lines.

[Captain Oates 911]

Is that the case with marriage licenses? Do all states recognize same sex licenses?

After you have been married a few years, it's always "Same Sex" - no matter what state you live in

[kytwell 179]

I really can't follow you and feel like I need clarification.

I say that people who own guns, where part of their motive is to use violence to change the government, are simply fantasists and worse than that, they actually encourage people like McVeigh by seeking to make it valid in the mainstream of society

I say that the US government has never been changed by patriots murdering their politicians.

Politicians are regularly murdered, but the VP uses the opportunity to push even more liberal ideas - eg LBJ and civil rights

These murderous patriots always lose and the country goes the opposite way to what they wanted.. Furthermore, as an avid gun owner since the age of 13, I think these political crazies are going to cause the government having to restrict guns - my guns

Think you are protected by the constitution ? Think Again. Look at Illinois gun laws

That is my position. I believe the 'kill the politicians' motive, in a democracy, is invalid, wrong and immoral AND counter-productive

Remind me - what part of that do you take issue with ?

I believe if anyone is going to take up arms against their own government it will be the left who will do it as they're all hypocrites who hate guns, but will use them to achieve their goals---think Rosie O'Donnell type. Or the anti-capitalist's who made their money in the gray areas of the law, but hate other people who are now making money in gray areas-think George Soros. The left has already done their "fire drills": Million man march, OWS, etc. The tea party can't get that many people together, because people are afraid to be labeled as white supremacists or radicals or whatever, the left doesn't care what they're viewed as, because they think the rest are just not enlightened like they are.

Edited November 17, 2011 by kytwell

[Captain Oates 911]

I believe if anyone is going to take up arms against their own government it will be the left who will do it as they're all hypocrites who hate guns, but will use them to achieve their goals---think Rosie O'Donnell type. Or the anti-capitalist's who made their money in the gray areas of the law, but hate other people who are now making money in gray areas-think George Soros. The left has already done their "fire drills": Million man march, OWS, etc. The tea party can't get that many people together, because people are afraid to be labeled as white supremacists or radicals or whatever, the left doesn't care what they're viewed as, because they think the rest are just not enlightened like they are.

Well I am more pro 'socialized medicine' than anyone in this country. For that reason I will be voting Obama and funding his campaign and buying his bumper stickers.

I am not religious

I am ambivalent on unions but I would not ban them and only restrict them slightly

Marxism and communism does not work and regulated private enterprise is the way to go except in matters of health and safety

Guns are good

I made my money in industry, on the Finance side, so capitalism is what I do. I manage my investments 4 hours every day.

I have never wanted to join a militia or shoot anyone for any reason. I don't have ammunition stockpiles and bottled water and tents and face charcoal at home

I support the Police and the Military and the law and the Constitution. My political views are endorsed by A MAJORITY of US voters as evidenced by President Obama's election victory.

How does all that blend into your theory, and do you regard people like me as a danger to your church and the country ?

How would you react if the president was assassinated today ?

[Leatherneck 693]

In the civil war you tried this

Result A ....600,000 Americans killed

Result B ....a black man in the white house

Think about it

There is no way you get get to kill the elected politicians you so despise - elected under the laws you purport to support, without killing US military personnel

The Commander in chief is the President and you think the Military would turn on and kill their Commander in Chief and lawfully elected Head of State ? What kind of micky mouse 3rd world oath is that ?

Its all a silly fantasy

Jeez, VJ is inhabited by people who support Muslim terrorism, and others who support murdering their own military and elected politicians, commander in chief and head of State... all because they don't like universal health care

What is wrong with you people ? No wonder you are on here all day long and don't have jobs.

Step away from the medicine cabinet! How on earth did you comprehend "and you think the Military would turn on and kill their Commander in Chief" in that post?

Nowhere did I insinuate the Oaths of Enlistment and Oaths of Office had anything to do with "kill the Commander in Chief." Had you read both oaths, you never would have made such a silly comment. The focus of the oath is "to uphold and defend the Constitution." How you relate that to killing the Commander in Chief escapes me totally.

Again, if the federal government moved away from the soft tryanny we have now and stepped in the dog poop of full blown tryanny... I don't think a commander in the field any of the armed services would obey an order to turn their weapons on American citizens. It wouldn't get passed the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the oath is about allegiance to the Constitution, first, not to the Commander in Chief.

Military commanders have a good understanding of their role under the Constitution and they know they have no role in a Constitution crisis between citizens and public servants in governemt. They would defend the Constitution and not a tryannical government, now you figure out what that means.

I see you still have that illness of British loyalty and allegiance to government, sorry, Americans don't suffer from that. Freedom loving patriots don't really dispise the fools in Congress, they get fired from-time-to-time. We hate their disregard for the Constituion with their constant meddling in the lives of people (where they have zero authority to do so) that just want to be left alone and enjoy "the pursuit of happiness!"

[Captain Oates 911]

Step away from the medicine cabinet! How on earth did you comprehend "and you think the Military would turn on and kill their Commander in Chief" in that post?

Nowhere did I insinuate the Oaths of Enlistment and Oaths of Office had anything to do with "kill the Commander in Chief." Had you read both oaths, you never would have made such a silly comment. The focus of the oath is "to uphold and defend the Constitution." How you relate that to killing the Commander in Chief escapes me totally.

Again, if the federal government moved away from the soft tryanny we have now and stepped in the dog poop of full blown tryanny... I don't think a commander in the field any of the armed services would obey an order to turn their weapons on American citizens. It wouldn't get passed the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the oath is about allegiance to the Constitution, first, not to the Commander in Chief.

Military commanders have a good understanding of their role under the Constitution and they know they have no role in a Constitution crisis between citizens and public servants in governemt. They would defend the Constitution and not a tryannical government, now you figure out what that means.

I see you still have that illness of British loyalty and allegiance to government, sorry, Americans don't suffer from that. Freedom loving patriots don't really dispise the fools in Congress, they get fired from-time-to-time. We hate their disregard for the Constituion with their constant meddling in the lives of people (where they have zero authority to do so) that just want to be left alone and enjoy "the pursuit of happiness!"

My point is not that the military would turn their guns on the people; my point is that there are crazies who would turn their guns on the government !

The democratically elected government is operating under the eye of the supreme court (staffed by rightos)

Just what is it that is happening now that is against the constitution and why hasn't the right wing supreme court spoken out ? Is it that black people are taking a poop in the white house ? Is that what is melting you down ?

Have you got insurance company shares or something - what is he doing against the constitution and why don't you trust the supreme court to uphold the constitution ? Have you no faith in the system set up by those demi-gods the founding fathers ?

Just what is the beef that needs citizens to murder other Americans ? Let's get right down to it.

[slim 1,525]

The whole direction of America is one way and is against your sort and ever more shall be so, and the crusty, violent reactionaries are getting fewer and fewer and weaker and less relevant every passing year.

The funny thing about that post is you're going to end up with several thousand unarmed "liberal thinkers" going up against a handful of very well armed, very traditionally conservative "violent reactionaries."

I know which camp I'm going to be in!

I say that people who own guns, where part of their motive is to use violence to change the government, are simply fantasists and worse than that, they actually encourage people like McVeigh by seeking to make it valid in the mainstream of society

McVeigh used a gun?

Think you are protected by the constitution ? Think Again. Look at Illinois gun laws

They sure aren't working. Illinois is one of the last states remaining with stupid gun laws and it's only a matter of time before they get changed.

I don't have ammunition stockpiles and bottled water and tents and face charcoal at home

Why not?

[kytwell 179]

I made my money in industry, on the Finance side

I thought you said you were a cop? :S

[Captain Oates 911]

They are a funny lot on VJ

I get surrounded either by a group wanting to murder the president for doing something unconstitutional - but they don't know what or why the supreme court hasn't spoken up to stop him - or a group of Muslims refusing to condemn Muslim terrorists

I can only conclude that both groups on VJ are essentially the same kind of people with the same blood-thirsty anti-social mind set

No other voices are heard, so either the sensible people have got jobs leaving only the unemployable to demonstrate why they are unemployable, or VJ has been phished by "Al quada in Texas" using a fake Charles to pop up every now and then purporting to be the real one

[Leatherneck 693]

I agree, you sort of people are on the way out

Violence , guns, wars, insurrection, secession, slavery and the crushing heel of religion etc etc etc ..it's all on the slide, there is a black man and a black family living in your white house and using the white's toilets

No wonder you people are filled with hatred and just want to murder other Americans including lawfully elected politicians and your commander in chief and head of state in order to get back to the horrible American past which you call your proud history instead of being proud of the liberal minded progress that has been made:

No slavery

votes for women

abortion

Social security

Medicare

Medicaid

Environmental Protection

etc etc time a thousand

The whole direction of America is one way and is against your sort and ever more shall be so, and the crusty, violent reactionaries are getting fewer and fewer and weaker and less relevant every passing year.

Good riddance to them and to their horrible way of thinking

1776 is long gone, so face your new "European style" and evolved future and stop being bitter and nostalgic for the nasty part of American history

You are beaten but you can't accept it

You really have a very warped idea of what Americans want, those on your beloved progressive left would have no problem killing other Americans. For the rest of us that seek to preserve the Constitution, maintain a free land where liberty and "the pursuit of happiness" is available to all, taking up arms and killing other Americans is not something we want, nor have you EVER heard any responsible person on the right espouse such.

May I ask, "why are you here if you so love the "European style?" Why would you want to see America be more like Europe? What on earth is so wonderful about the national suicide Europeans are committing, that we need accept such?

Only the foolish left want the U.S. to be more like Europe, those Americans that can clearly see where Europe is headed, frankly, are not interested in drinking that poison. Did you immigrate to make America more like Europe? Just enjoy America for America. Where in hell do the rest of us go when this place becomes a bigger cesspol?

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

McVeigh used a gun?

apparently the unabomber did too.

Edited November 17, 2011 by charles!

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

You really have a very warped idea of what Americans want, those on your beloved progressive left would have no problem killing other Americans.

Hehe, lefties want to kill Americans by disarming themselves.........

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

Hehe, lefties want to kill Americans by disarming themselves.........

don't disturb them, they might occupy your front lawn!

[Captain Oates 911]

You really have a very warped idea of what Americans want, those on your beloved progressive left would have no problem killing other Americans. For the rest of us that seek to preserve the Constitution, maintain a free land where liberty and "the pursuit of happiness" is available to all, taking up arms and killing other Americans is not something we want, nor have you EVER heard any responsible person on the right espouse such.

May I ask, "why are you here if you so love the "European style?" Why would you want to see America be more like Europe? What on earth is so wonderful about the national suicide Europeans are committing, that we need accept such?

Only the foolish left want the U.S. to be more like Europe, those Americans that can clearly see where Europe is headed, frankly, are not interested in drinking that poison. Did you immigrate to make America more like Europe? Just enjoy America for America. Where in hell do the rest of us go when this place becomes a bigger cesspol?

When I emigrated to the USA and later became a citizen, I did not have to sign a document so say I would be subservient to the ideas of those whose family arrived before me

My ideas are consistent with the majority of US voters who voted for O - and yours are not. You are in a minority and need to get used to that

I am fully entitled to my opinions and if I want the US to be more like the UK in some regards then I sure wouldn't be alone. In fact as far as social security and medicare and medicaid and civil rights and votes for women and no slavery, all of which were enacted first in the UK and then followed in the US, I am part of a huge majority

Virtually all of the social progress in the USA and most of the constitution (bill of rights 1689) is a direct steal from the UK

Its the same with socialized medicine

The US has been heading in the direction of the UK as far as social policy is concerned since 1861 and it is unstoppable

You are entitled to your backward looking views, but don't try and say that my view is that of a lonesome foreign outsider interloper - because my views are the views of the American majority - and yours are not

You need to adjust to the new reality and in the words of Bob Dylan

Come mothers and fathers all over this land

And don't criticize what you can't understand

Your sons and your daughter are beyond your command

Your old role is rapidly aging

Please get out of the new one if you can't lend a hand

For the times they are a changing

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

don't disturb them, they might occupy your front lawn!

Clearly the occupy movement is in league with sod nurseries!

[Ban Hammer 13,342]

Clearly the occupy movement is in league with sod nurseries!

it's just not the right kinda grass though.