Why Americans Won't Do Dirty Jobs

[Ready to do it 101]

No actually you are the one that brings up the issue of "violence." You know I am against violence of any kind. What does it have anything to do with any other issue we discuss. It has nothing to do with the US of illegal immigrants. Fill me in once the US is actually in a situation where another country is threatening to attack our mainland and then I might give your views the time of day. Last I checked, most illegal immigrants are just trying to live a better life.

I have not spit in the face of anyone going through the immigration process legally. My fiance is going through the immigration process legally. That doesn't mean I, nor any of us, have to agree with the way the immigration process works.

Yes me friend, YOU are the puppet that justs accepts and agrees with the status quo. I abide by the laws, but it does not mean that I have to agree with them nor does it mean I do not have the right to speak up regarding laws that are absolutely contrary to the best interest of our country, in my opinion.

Save your bs for someone who's buying. You already spit in the face of every Vet on this board not to mention everyone who's went or going through the immigration process legally. You make me sick.

[kytwell 179]

Why is one person considered a law breaker for entering one way and another not considered a law breaker for entering another way?

A legal way versus an illegal way

Who decided that "this is the way it is going to be done, and we the people are supposed to accept and agree with it."

Congress

Why have we determined that simply walking across the border is frowned upon?

That's not frowned upon, walking across and never leaving without prior and proper authorization is frowned upon.

My argument is that it's apparently wrong to simply walk across the border, and for some people they can fill out a bunch of paperwork and they aren't accepted, yet others can fill out a bunch of paperwork and they are accepted. Survival of the fittest.

Exactly, if you can't properly fill out some simple paperwork and get approved, we don't want you passing on those inferior genes to children that will be American Citizens automatically. If we want to survive, we need people with some intelligence.

If you disagree with my idea of stating that people can simply walk across the border have as much right to be here as anyone who comes via other methods, i.e. filling out a bunch of paperwork and being approved to come... then you disagree with the way the majority of our ancestors came. Open the doors to everyone or close the doors to everyone. It's the only fair way because you might want someone here that I don't want here and I might want someone here that you don't want here. Why is anyone given the authority to determine who should have the opportunity to live here and who shouldn't? We're all the same. We're all loved the same by our God. Why does a border even matter?

I'm not stating that illegals all deserve citizenship. Just permanent residency or just a way to be able to live their life and be treated equally and with respect. That's an idea. Fiance's, Spouses etc should have a path to citizenship... everyone else should just be considered a resident that has the right to be here, work, and live their life in peace.

We excluded the Chinese, the diseased, the imbeciles etc. Our ancestors came through what at that time was the legal way. Things change, in other instances we call this progress.

The rest is some deep thought about God and peace and I'm not philsophical, high on weed or drunk, so I don't know ####### you're talking about. And our immigration policies are weak compared to many other nations across the globe. Since we're backwards here, maybe you can convince them to change first.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

A legal way versus an illegal way

Congress

That's not frowned upon, walking across and never leaving without prior and proper authorization is frowned upon.

Exactly, if you can't properly fill out some simple paperwork and get approved, we don't want you passing on those inferior genes to children that will be American Citizens automatically. If we want to survive, we need people with some intelligence.

We excluded the Chinese, the diseased, the imbeciles etc. Our ancestors came through what at that time was the legal way. Things change, in other instances we call this progress.

The rest is some deep thought about God and peace and I'm not philsophical, high on weed or drunk, so I don't know ####### you're talking about. And our immigration policies are weak compared to many other nations across the globe. Since we're backwards here, maybe you can convince them to change first.

[mawilson 2,133]

He can't pay them more unless you start paying more for catfish at the grocery store or pay more for your cheeseburger with tomatoes or ketchup for your French fries.

So? You want fair wages? Let's have fair prices at the grocery store.

[웃 910]

So let me get this straight. The reason we have low prices at the grocery store (a handful of blueberries for $4!) is because illegal alien Mexicans are slaving away for $8 an hour instead of $10 or $12?

Got it.

[sandinista! 1,816]

So let me get this straight. The reason we have low prices at the grocery store (a handful of blueberries for $4!) is because illegal alien Mexicans are slaving away for $8 an hour instead of $10 or $12?

Got it.

http://m.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1995/11/in-the-strawberry-fields/5754/

[웃 910]

http://m.theatlantic...ry-fields/5754/

I didn't read that book, I mean article you posted. Can you sum it up an a few sentences?

If they pick strawberries 10 hours a day in Guatemala and make $3 a day then isn't it a beautiful thing (for them) that they can come to California and pick strawberries for $5 to $8 an hour?

They are upper middle class on this wage if they lived in Guatemala.

What's the problem?

[sandinista! 1,816]

It's an excerpt from his book Reefer Madness, that is actually a pretty good read. Other issues aside, he goes into detail about why certain fruits and veggies cost what they do- they're very risky to grow, require ideal growing conditions to produce pretty berries that the majority of consumers go for, and they have to be hand picked. Soybeans, wheat, corn are all mechanized harvests, and farmers can throw their wheat in a silo if prices are low when they harvest, and just wait until prices go up again to sell. Fruits, especially berries are fragile, highly perishable, and need to be sold as soon as they're harvested, even if prices are in the basement when that farmer's berries become ripe. It's an interesting article, from an interesting book. If you have time, read it. He goes into detail too about why berries in particular are hellishly difficult to pick. Long term, it can cause lifelong chronic pain and disability.

Even if those are good wages in Guatemala, that doesn't seem very helpful for migrant workers who have to pay for food, clothing and shelter in the US where they're picking fruits and vegetables. Some of that money goes home, but not all of it.

[scandal 951]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/14/opinion/on-the-rise-in-alabama.html

New York Times Editorial

On the Rise in Alabama

Published: November 13, 2011

Alabama’s ruling class has dug in against the storm it caused with the nation’s most oppressive immigration law. Some of the law’s provisions have been blocked in federal court; others won’t take effect until next year. But many Alabamans aren’t waiting for things to get worse or for the uncertain possibility of judicial relief or legislative retreat. They are moving to protect themselves, and summoning the tactics of a civil rights struggle now half a century old.

The law was written to deny immigrants without papers the ability to work or travel, to own or rent a home, to enter contracts of any kind. Fear is causing an exodus as Latinos abandon homes and jobs and crops in the fields. Utilities are preparing to shut off water, power and heat to customers who cannot show the right papers.

Alabama is far from alone in passing a law whose express aim is misery and panic. States are expanding their power to hasten racial exclusion and family disintegration, to make a particular ethnic group of poor people disappear. The new laws come cloaked in talk of law and order; the bigotry beneath them is never acknowledged.

But if there is any place where bigotry does not go unrecognized, it is Alabama.

“It is a fear of folks who are not like us,” said Judge U. W. Clemon, a former state senator and Alabama’s first black federal judge, now retired. “Although the Hispanic population of the state is less than 5 percent, the leaders of the state were hell-bent on removing as much of that 4 percent as possible. And I think they’ve been fairly successful in scaring them out of the state of Alabama.”

There are, of course, significant distinctions between the civil rights movement and the fight for immigrant rights. African-Americans have endured 400 years of oppression, and toppled laws created to deny their equality and to brutalize them. Unauthorized immigrants are a group who arrived by choice, mostly. They are living outside the law, and want in.

Yet to those, like Judge Clemon, a civil rights foot soldier who fought Bull Connor and George Wallace, the common thread between then and now — the threat of racial profiling and the abuse of a cheap, exploited work force — is obvious, as is the racism driving the law.

A sponsor of the legislation, State Senator Scott Beason, chairman of the Rules Committee, was secretly taped by the F.B.I. talking about black residents of Greene County. “They’re aborigines,” he said. He is the lawmaker who urged fellow Republicans to “empty the clip” to stop illegal immigrants.

And, just as in the early days of the civil rights struggle, the oppressed and their advocates are scrambling to respond. Early this month, organizers from Alabama and around the country convened a training session for immigrant leaders in rural Albertville, where chicken plants rely heavily on Latino labor. They went from trailer home to trailer home, signing up volunteers to build immigrant networks that will help people protect one another while fighting for repeal of the law and integrating themselves into the life of their state.

This fledgling movement has been embraced by the N.A.A.C.P., whose leaders in Birmingham met recently with immigrant advocates to stress the need for blacks and Latinos to unite against the law. “Jim Crow is dead,” the Rev. Anthony Alann Johnson told the group, “but his cousins are still alive.”

[웃 910]

A sponsor of the legislation, State Senator Scott Beason, chairman of the Rules Committee, was secretly taped by the F.B.I. talking about black residents of Greene County. “They’re aborigines,” he said. He is the lawmaker who urged fellow Republicans to “empty the clip” to stop illegal immigrants.

http://www.nytimes.c...in-alabama.html

[scandal 951]

Double :wow: I just learned that under the new math 4=5!

“It is a fear of folks who are not like us,” said Judge U. W. Clemon, a former state senator and Alabama’s first black federal judge, now retired. “Although the Hispanic population of the state is less than 5 percent, the leaders of the state were hell-bent on removing as much of that 4 percent as possible.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

If you want people to work these jobs then you need to eliminate welfare and other Social Entitlement programs.

That combined with reasonable increases in pay and/or benefits would make a huge difference.

With the Social Entitlement programs gone the tax burden will be reduced and we could better afford to pay a little more for our catfish & cheeseburgers.

[Ready to do it 101]

Agreed 100%!

If you want people to work these jobs then you need to eliminate welfare and other Social Entitlement programs.

That combined with reasonable increases in pay and/or benefits would make a huge difference.

With the Social Entitlement programs gone the tax burden will be reduced and we could better afford to pay a little more for our catfish & cheeseburgers.