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Frosty Wooldridge

Eugenicist Frosty Wooldridge has the rabid right all atwitter!

Eugenicist, potential domestic terrorist and rabid right nutcase Frosty Wooldridge crawled out from under his rock recently with an article that has all the whackos from ALIPAC to VDARE in a tizzy.Titled Swallowing a scorpion from Mexico: immigration invasion of US, he stirs the ###### and speaks of the fantasies of the rabid right. Invasions, Reconquistas, slandering Hispanic politicians who reject his view of how the world should be. The same Frosty garbage, regurgitated once again.

Xenophobic speaker Frosty Wooldridge confronted at University of Houston

Thursday, November 17 2005 @ 02:39 PM CST

Contributed by: Perica

Views: 5,740

On Wednesday November 16th a man named Frosty Wooldridge came to the University of Houston Campus on a "Texas Patriot Speaking Tour". Frosty is the author of a book called Immigration's Unarmed Invasion: Deadly Consequencesand was planning to deliver an hour long presentation on the threats of illegal immigration including immigrants bringing diseases such as leprosy into the US, and the social chaos that may result from speaking more than one language. Frosty and his supporters (two elderly gentlemen) Primary concern of this afternoon appeared to be the repeal of HB 1403 a bill that allows non-status students who graduate from Texas high schools and reside here for more than 6 years receive instate tuition fees.

The Racist and Xenophobic message of Frosty and friends did not go unnoticed, youth from the Jovenes Immigrantes por un Futuro Mejor (JIFM, or Young Immigrants for a Better Future) and the Houston Chapter of Anti-Racist Actioncoordinated a protest of Frosty's planned presentation. Frosty was supposed to speak at Lynn Eusan Park, but by the time he got there, there was a group of students picketing with signs that read Immigration and Terrorism are not the same and For a World Without Borders. Frosty and his 2 senior friends decided it was not a very good place to set up shop and walked away, distributing literature on a path with much more foot traffic. The young protesters ended up following them there where a protest continued for at least an hour and a half. Numerous students on their way to and from class stopped by and many joined in the heckling of the racists. See Photos

If you can't refute the facts, attack the messenger?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

If you can't refute the facts, attack the messenger?

You have to understand that most of the people on this board that are pro illegal immigration have either a Central American flag or South American flag next to their name. It's like...well these countries are totally messed up, so let's enter the US illegally and screw that country up also with some third world thinking, all the while producing a half dozen kids or more for the fact using birth control takes an IQ of +5.

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There are many problems with that article. Specifically, it begins by talking about the effects illegal alien migration into the US costs the US taxpayer, then goes on talking about all the problems "immigrants" are on the system. I.e. 3/4 of the article talks about "immigrants" not illegal immigrants. Regardless, either way... get rid of all social programs for everyone and then let's see where advocates of deporting illegals will flounder to looking for more excuses. The US is so fu*ked financially because of wars. The issue of illegals and the costs to support them isn't even a fraction of the debt when compared to the wars. Regardless, I am all for cutting the fat in every area, thus the reason I say get rid of all social programs. Then we will see who was really milking the welfare system. Ie. Illegals won't bi*ch if the US government took away all social programs, and hey some of them may even go back to where they came from. It's a win, win. Plus, it will force lazy unemployed Americans to go out and do whatever necessary to feed themselves or they will suffer. It really is a win, win, win for everyone. There isn't even a need to deport illegals. By getting rid of social programs, the productive employees will stay (in the case of illegals) and survive (in the case of US unskilled workers). The unproductive employees will go back (in the case of illegals) or suffer (in the case of US unskilled workers). That is what land of opportunity means. Work hard and you will be rewarded, don't work hard and it's your own problem... not mine or any other taxpayer.

It's so silly how people think illegals have anything to do with the the debt problem in the US. They don't. It's all a function of 1) the wars and 2) social policies(which give everyone benfits). If there were no wars and if there were no social benefits for anyone, we would be doing just fine as a society. So the problem is not illegals, the problem is that there are any social programs in the first place.

Staggering Cost Of Illegal

Aliens In America

Taxpayers Taken To The Cleaners

By Frosty Wooldridge

4-10-8

Illegal alien migration into the United States costs American taxpayers $346 billion annually reported by the National Research Council. While employers of illegal aliens rake-in billions of dollars, the US citizens subsidize what may be called organized "Slavery in 21st Century America."

While Congress facilitates outsourcing, insourcing and offshoring of American jobs by the thousands weekly, that same Congress imports 182,000 legal immigrant monthly who need jobs. Another estimated 100,000 illegal aliens arrive each month without jobs. All those immigrants seize jobs from American citizens at slave wages.

What happens to the American taxpayer?

"Immigrants are poorer, pay less tax, and are more likely to receive public benefits than American citizens," said Edwin Rubenstein, reporting on the National Research Council's new book: "The New Americans: Economic, Demographics and Fiscal Effects of Immigration." The Social Contract Winter 2007-08. <http://www.thesoicalcontract.com/>www.thesoicalcontract.com

The NRC found that the average immigrant household receives $13,326 in federal welfare and pays $10,664.00 in federal taxes. Thus, American taxpayers shell out $2,682.00 for each immigrant household.

In addition, the report showed that immigrants affect 15 different executive agencies of the U.S. government.

Earned Income Tax Credit-fraud is rampant and IRS does little to verify existence of children. Clean Air and Climate Change-these goals are unattainable as long as US population grows-driven by unending immigration. Emergency medical treatment-US taxpayer money provides $250 million a year to help hospitals defray costs for illegal aliens. Bureau of Land Management-the Interior Department spends $1 million to mitigate environmental damage done by illegals crossing US southern border. Migrant educational grants-intended to help states educate children of illegal workers. More fraud from over-counting. Office of Foreign Labor Certification-immigrant workers depress wages for US citizens resulting in declines in federal revenues at $100 billion annually.

As shown on CBS with Katie Couric this past week, 300,000 pregnant Mexican women cross the border to birth their babies, known as 'anchor babies', in American hospitals at an average cost of $6,000.00 per birth with no complications. If the child suffers heart defects, Downs Syndrome, Autism or any other problems, the costs jump to $500,000.00 with long term care into the millions of dollars. All footed by the America taxpayer!

Not mentioned in Couric's report, that child enjoys free breakfasts and lunches through 13 years of publicly funded education at an average cost of $7,000.00 per year. Additionally, American taxpayers foot the bill for all medical and housing assistance for the child and mother. More hidden costs add up with ESL classes to teach the child English. Connecticut alone suffers 120 languages in their schools while Colorado suffers over 40 foreign languages that cripple their classrooms.

The list of expenses paid for by American taxpayer soars with time and numbers of illegal aliens. Additionally, legal immigrants sponsor their relatives in chain migration and family reunification at US taxpayer expense.

These immigrants take American jobs while they burn American taxpayer funds for immigrant welfare. This all happens while the US national debt approaches $10 trillion. Immigrants flood into this country while jobs cascade out to China where we owe $1 trillion in T-bills as of 2008. Additionally, we suffer a $700 billion annual trade deficit.

Once those illegal aliens hit this country, half of them work off the books and do not pay $401 billion dollars annually according to the 2005 Bear Stearns Report. Additionally, they form the second largest underground economy in the world. Both legal and illegal immigrants send $80 billion back to their home countries in cash transfers on untaxed money.

When does it end? Not any time soon! Who pays? You do! Like the proverbial golden calf, the United States taxpayer bleeds to death daily while our president and Congress fiddle, faddle and scratch their generous rear ends while they facilitate the death of America's middle class.

Our politicians create the problems they campaign to solve; but once in office, as John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have proven with their time in the U.S. Senate-they work more against Americans than for them. The proof in the aforementioned report is, as they say, "in the pudding!"

http://www.rense.com/general81/dtli.htm

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That's pretty funny. I am as white as they come, am in my 40's, and have one child.

You have to understand that most of the people on this board that are pro illegal immigration have either a Central American flag or South American flag next to their name. It's like...well these countries are totally messed up, so let's enter the US illegally and screw that country up also with some third world thinking, all the while producing a half dozen kids or more for the fact using birth control takes an IQ of +5.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That's pretty funny. I am as white as they come, am in my 40's, and have one child.

That would put you in the minority now for Latin countries wouldn't it?

[Ready to do it 101]

Ummm... yeah, I recognize the white male is pretty much a minority now and will always be in the future.

I'd like to see as many folks from latin countries spill over into the US border as possible. We're either going to be a Catholic society or a muslim one 50 years from now. Which would you prefer. At least if we are a catholic society we Americans aren't forced to do anything we don't want. I.e. You can keep your athiest views if you would like. Can you assure me that once our country is 50%+ muslim, we non-muslims aren't going to be cleansed and eliminated from society.

You are fighting for the one thing (stopping the inflow of illegal immigrants... mostly from Latin American countries) that will eventually destroy this country.

That would put you in the minority now for Latin countries wouldn't it?

Edited November 13, 2011 by Ready to do it

[kytwell 179]

There are many problems with that article. Specifically, it begins by talking about the effects illegal alien migration into the US costs the US taxpayer, then goes on talking about all the problems "immigrants" are on the system. I.e. 3/4 of the article talks about "immigrants" not illegal immigrants. Regardless, either way... get rid of all social programs for everyone and then let's see where advocates of deporting illegals will flounder to looking for more excuses. The US is so fu*ked financially because of wars. The issue of illegals and the costs to support them isn't even a fraction of the debt when compared to the wars. Regardless, I am all for cutting the fat in every area, thus the reason I say get rid of all social programs. Then we will see who was really milking the welfare system. Ie. Illegals won't bi*ch if the US government took away all social programs, and hey some of them may even go back to where they came from. It's a win, win. Plus, it will force lazy unemployed Americans to go out and do whatever necessary to feed themselves or they will suffer. It really is a win, win, win for everyone. There isn't even a need to deport illegals. By getting rid of social programs, the productive employees will stay (in the case of illegals) and survive (in the case of US unskilled workers). The unproductive employees will go back (in the case of illegals) or suffer (in the case of US unskilled workers). That is what land of opportunity means. Work hard and you will be rewarded, don't work hard and it's your own problem... not mine or any other taxpayer.

It's so silly how people think illegals have anything to do with the the debt problem in the US. They don't. It's all a function of 1) the wars and 2) social policies(which give everyone benfits). If there were no wars and if there were no social benefits for anyone, we would be doing just fine as a society. So the problem is not illegals, the problem is that there are any social programs in the first place.

We don't need the illegals. Use prisoners on work release programs. Maybe we need some temporary agriculture workers, not entirely sold on that yet. But the illegals here now are also doing roofing, concrete, drywall, painting etc, etc. Not exactly "unskilled" labor.(And was good enough to raise me and the majority of my buddies in "middle class conditions"..my dad was a roofer, uncles who were painters etc) I don't entirely blame the budget issues on illegals, but they aren't helping it either. We don't need them, we have other means "to get the work done,that Americans won't do". Prisoners on work release being my first choice.

Edited November 13, 2011 by kytwell

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Ummm... yeah, I recognize the white male is pretty much a minority now and will always be in the future.

I'd like to see as many folks from latin countries spill over into the US border as possible. We're either going to be a Catholic society or a muslim one 50 years from now. Which would you prefer. At least if we are a catholic society we Americans aren't forced to do anything we don't want. I.e. You can keep your athiest views if you would like. Can you assure me that once our country is 50%+ muslim, we non-muslims aren't going to be cleansed and eliminated from society.

You are fighting for the one thing (stopping the inflow of illegal immigrants... mostly from Latin American countries) that will eventually destroy this country.

Neither Muslim nor Catholic seeing how both of them are totally screwed up and backwards. Name some Muslim and Catholic countries that aren't considered third world sh*t holes. It's not easy to do.

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If you can't refute the facts, attack the messenger?

Are you serious. You are gonna call what that senile idiot wrote 'facts'

You really want to stand behind this delusional redneck?

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/cost-of-illegal-immigrants/

Q: Do illegal immigrants cost $338.3 billion dollars a year? More than the Iraq war?

A: A chain e-mail that makes this claim is loaded with errors and misleading assertions. Published studies vary widely but put the cost to government at a small fraction of that total.

FULL ANSWER

This chain e-mail has been forwarded to us by readers many times over the past year. The most recent version adds a new angle, claiming that the amount of money taxpayers spend on illegal immigrants would be enough to "stimulate the economy." But no matter the spin, the e-mail is rife with errors.

It also contains several red flags that should tip off readers that this is more bogus than believable. For one thing, the figures given don’t add up to a "whopping $338.3 billion dollars a year" spent on illegal immigrants in the U.S., as the e-mail claims.

The e-mail lists 14 claims about illegal immigrants, all of which were included in a longer list penned by anti-immigration activist Frosty Wooldridge and published on the conservative Web site NewswithViews.com on Jan. 22, 2007. Another NewswithViews columnist, Lynn Stuter, included Wooldridge’s list, with some updated links, in an article posted on April 15, 2008.

The source cited for at least nine of the items is either the conservative Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) or the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), both of which call for more restrictive immigration laws. CIS spokesman Bryan Griffith told us that he had never seen the e-mail but that he suspected something was out there because of occasional surges in traffic that forced him to rewrite Web pages. When told about the e-mail’s contents and conclusion of a $338.3 billion yearly cost, he responded that CIS "never said anything of the like and is not going to comment on a chain e-mail that is in no way scientific."

The e-mail also continually blurs the important distinction between legal and illegal immigrants – a sign of sloppy and untrustworthy work.

Summary

Because we’re gluttons for punishment, we’ve gone through each claim in turn and report on each in detail farther down. But here are a few highlights (or lowlights) of what we found:

• The e-mail includes a link to a CIS report that contradicts some of the e-mail’s own claims. The report found that illegal immigrant welfare use "tends to be very low." It also estimates the total federal net cost of households headed by illegal immigrants at under $10.4 billion, a small fraction of what this message claims.

• One "paper" that is cited is a non-peer-reviewed, non-scientific study that essentially fabricates a number for illegal immigrant criminals.

• Five of the links lead to transcripts of Lou Dobbs’ cable television show, which fulminates regularly against illegal immigration and is hardly a neutral source. Furthermore, in all instances, the e-mail then takes the original Dobbs reporting out of context.

So, how much do illegal immigrants cost federal, state and local governments in the U.S.? Estimates vary widely, and no consensus exists. The Urban Institute put the net national cost at $1.9 billion in 1992; a Rice University professor, whose work the Urban Institute criticized, said it was $19.3 billion in 1993. More recently, a 2007 report by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office examined 29 reports on state and local costs published over 15 years in an attempt to answer this question. CBO concluded that most of the estimates determined that illegal immigrants impose a net cost to state and local governments but "that impact is most likely modest." CBO said "no agreement exists as to the size of, or even the best way of measuring, that cost on a national level."

The Details

For those who want more, we take on each of the e-mail’s claims in order:

1. "$11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year."

This item is completely false. The link given to "verify" the claim actually leads to an issue brief by the conservative Federation for American Immigration Reform. But the FAIR brief says nothing of the sort. It says: "Each year, state governments spend an estimated $11 billion to $22 billion to provide welfare to immigrants." That’s welfare payments in 2001 to all immigrants – both legal and illegal – plus households including U.S. citizens if they are headed by a person who was born outside the United States.

The site says the FAIR report was last updated in October 2002, but a footnote credits this statistic to a March 2003 report from the Center for Immigration Studies. CIS began as an off-shoot of FAIR. But the CIS report doesn’t actually say anything about $11 billion or $22 billion. And it explains that its references to "immigrant households" include persons here legally and persons born outside the U.S.

CIS report:

Like the Census Bureau, and other academic work that has examined this question, this report looks at welfare use by immigrant and native households. Households are defined as immigrant or native based on the nativity of the household head. As already indicated, this report uses the terms immigrant and foreign-born synonymously.

CIS estimated that welfare payments to illegal immigrant households averaged $1,040 per household in 2001, mainly Medicaid "on behalf of their U.S.-born children." But the report did not attempt to come up with a total for all such households.

2. "$2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens."

3. "$2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens."

These figures supposedly come from a 2004 report by CIS that estimated the costs to the federal government of households headed by illegal immigrants in 2002. But the CIS report actually put the costs of food stamp, WIC and free school lunch programs to "illegal alien households" at $1.9 billion, not the $2.2 billion claimed in the e-mail. The $2.5 billion figure for Medicaid to such households is quoted accurately, but again, much of this was in benefits for U.S.-born children, who are citizens.

Most interesting is that the CIS report includes a total net cost estimate to the federal government for illegal immigrants of just under $10.4 billion for the year, after accounting for the taxes these immigrants paid. That doesn’t include any potential costs to state or local governments, but it’s a far cry from this e-mail’s cost claim of $338.3 billion.

CIS report:

Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.

Even CIS’ figures have been questioned by other researchers. The Urban Institute reviewed a related 2003 CIS paper and concluded that its "methods overstate the percentage of the population receiving Medicaid and the share of immigrants on Medicaid, resulting in misleading conclusions about welfare use among immigrants."

Even so, the CIS report actually rebuts claims repeated by this chain e-mail:

CIS:

Our findings show that many of the preconceived notions about the fiscal impact of illegal households turn out to be inaccurate.

In terms of welfare use, receipt of cash assistance programs tends to be very low, while Medicaid use, though significant, is still less than for other households.

Only use of food assistance programs is significantly higher than that of the rest of the population. Also, contrary to the perceptions that illegal aliens don’t pay payroll taxes, we estimate that more than half of illegals work “on the books.”

4. "$12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!"

5."$17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies."

Both links given to "verify" these claims lead to an April 1, 2006, episode of "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on CNN. During the show, correspondent Christine Romans cited both of these stats and attributed them to FAIR. A FAIR research paper from 2005 does include these cost projections, but a closer look shows that the underlying assumptions are inflated or unsupported.

The FAIR report starts with the presumption that there are "1.5 million school-aged illegal immigrants residing in the United States." That figure is attributed to an Urban Institute presentation that doesn’t actually say that. Instead, the Urban Institute said: "We estimate that there are about 1.4 million undocumented children under 18 with about 1.1 million of school age (5 -19)."

The FAIR report also assumes there are 2 million "U.S.-born siblings" of illegal immigrant families. However, the Urban Institute makes no estimates of U.S.-born siblings and FAIR gives no citation for its figure. And in any case, again, those U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants are themselves U.S. citizens and not "illegal aliens."

6. "$3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens."

7. "30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens."

Both of these claims can be traced back to that same April 1, 2006, episode of "Lou Dobbs Tonight" on CNN, in the same segment, with the same correspondent, Christine Romans. But the e-mail misrepresents what Romans said. She gave figures for people who are "not U.S. citizens," a category that would include legal residents as well as "illegal aliens."

Romans said that "according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons, 30 percent of federal prisoners are not U.S. citizens," adding that "most are thought to be illegal aliens." Actually, the Federal Bureau of Prisons does not keep figures on illegal immigrants. What solid numbers we can find point to a much smaller figure. A Department of Justice report from 2003 found that only 1.6 percent of the state and federal prison populations was under Immigration and Customs Enforcement jurisdiction, and thus known to be illegal immigrants. Half of these prisoners were detained only because they were here illegally, not for other crimes.

The Bureau of Prisons does track prisoners by offense when information is available. By that metric, 10.7 percent of prisoners in federal jails were incarcerated for immigration offenses in 2009. In 2006, when Romans gave her report, the figure was 10.2 percent.

The "$3 million dollar a day" figure is based on the false assumption that 30 percent of all inmates are illegal immigrants, and thus is greatly inflated.

8. "$90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers."

The link to "verify" this claim is dead. However, we found a transcript of a Lou Dobbs episode on Oct. 29, 2006, in which Robert Rector of the conservative Heritage Foundation made the following statement:

Robert Rector, Oct. 29, 2006:

Well, assuming that we have about 11 million immigrants in the U.S., the net cost or the total cost of services and benefits provided to them, education, welfare, general social services would be about $90 billion a year, and they would pay very little in taxes. It’s important to remember that at least half of illegal immigrants are high school dropouts.

We checked with Rector, who said he was referring to both legal and illegal low-skill immigrant households (those headed by someone who doesn’t have a high school diploma). His research also looked at many forms of government spending per household, including money spent on parks and transportation.

9. "$200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens."

Again, this is from that same April 1, 2006, Lou Dobbs episode. On the show, Dobbs said that "estimates by the most authoritative and recent study put the suppressed wages at $200 billion a year, as a result of immigration, both legal and illegal." The e-mail continues its practice of ignoring any distinction between legal and illegal immigration.

We couldn’t find any study that supported Dobb’s figure.

10. "The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US"

This is false. The "verify" link leads to yet another transcript of Lou Dobbs speaking with Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation. This one is dated June 12, 2006, and Rector says, "Hispanics in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-Hispanics."

Rector said Hispanics, not illegal immigrants, as the e-mail alleges. Considering there are 45.4 million Hispanics in the country, and an estimated 11.9 million illegal immigrants, the distinction is notable. Rector’s statistic for all Hispanics is correct, according to a 2003 report from the Justice Department.

11. " During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. "

The link goes to a 2006 report written by the Republican staff of the House Subcommittee on Investigations of the Committee on Homeland Security. To start, the "19,500" number of "illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries" is nowhere to be found in this report. In fact, the report estimates the number of illegal immigrants coming over the southern border from countries known to harbor terrorists to be in the "hundreds." We’ve seen a similar scare tactic used previously in ads advocating for a border fence.

And the 4 million to 10 million statistic is extrapolated using some imprecise reasoning. The committee report figures that since "Border Patrol apprehended approximately 1.2 million illegal aliens" in 2005 and since "Federal law enforcement estimates that 10 percent to 30 percent of illegal aliens are actually apprehended," that "therefore, in 2005, as many as 10 to 4 million [sic] illegal aliens crossed into the United States." That simplistic math produces a figure starkly different from more widely accepted estimates. The Pew Hispanic Center estimated that in 2005 there were 11.1 million illegal immigrants total, living in the United States. The center also estimated that about 500,000 illegal immigrants a year came to the U.S. from 2005 to 2008.

12. "The National Policy Institute, ‘estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’ "

No, it didn’t. The National Policy Institute, a group that says it promotes the rights of "white Americans," ironically was citing figures from the liberal Center for American Progress in a report that argued against mass deportation of undocumented workers. CAP said such deportation would cost more per year than the entire Department of Homeland Security budget, illustrating "the false allure of deportation as a response to our broken immigration system."

13. "In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin."

This is another bogus figure. The email’s link leads to the original Frosty Wooldridge article, which in turn cites as its source for this figure a link to a Contra-Costa Times article, which is no longer working. Nevertheless, we were able to find a news release from the Inter-American Development Bank stating Latin American immigrants sent $45 billion in remittances in 2006. But that figure applies to all immigrants, including legal residents.

14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States."

Once again, the "verify" link is dead. But a little Internet research found the article cited. An independently published, non-peer-reviewed study did estimate that nearly a million sex crimes have been committed by illegal immigrants over a seven-year period, but it employs some highly creative math and interesting assumptions to get there. The "study" is actually a pretty good case study in bad research.

The author assumes that 2 percent of illegal immigrants are sex offenders after "examining ICE reports and public records," but does not say how that figure was calculated. A bibliography cites miscellaneous Immigration and Customs Enforcement press releases and media accounts of instances of apprehending illegal immigrants who were sex offenders (seemingly manufacturing a "rate" based on anecdotal evidence). The author then makes no distinction between male and female illegal immigrants when estimating the number that are "sex offenders."

As we’ve said before, anonymous chain e-mails making dramatic claims are quite likely to be false. And that goes even for those that may seem to cite legitimate sources. This one is yet another good candidate for the "delete" key.

– Justin Bank

Sources

Steven A. Camarota, “Back Where We Started: An Examination of Trends in Immigrant Welfare Use Since Welfare Reform,” Center for Immigration Studies, March 2003.

Camarota, Steven A., "The High Cost of Cheap Labor: Illegal Immigration and the Federal Budget," Center for Immigration Studies, August 2004.

Immigration and Welfare," Federation for American Immigration Reform, Oct 2002.

A Line in the Sand: Confronting the Threat at the Southwest Border," prepared by the Majority Staff of House Committee on Homeland Security, Subcommittee on Investigations, Nov 2006.

Goyle, Rajeev, "Deporting the Undocumented: A Cost Assessment," Center for American Progress. 26 July 2005.

Sending Money Home: Leveraging the Development Impact of Remittances," Inter-American Development Bank. 18 Oct 2006.

Schurman-Kauflin, Dr. Deborah, "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants in the United States," Violent Crimes Institute, 2006.

Martin, Jack, "Breaking the Piggy Bank: How Illegal Immigration is Sending Schools Into the Red," Federation for American Immigration Reform. June 2005.

Fix, Michael and Passel, Jeffrey, "U.S. Immigration—Trends and Implications for Schools," Immigration Studies Program, The Urban Institute, 2003.

"Estimates of the Unauthorized Immigrant Population Residing in the United States: 1990-2000," Office of Policy Planning, U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service, January 2003.

"Table 169, Current Expenditure Per Pupil in Fall Enrollment in Public Elementary and Secondary Schools, by State: 1969-70 to 1999-00," Digest of Education Statistics 2002, National Center for Education Statistics, U.S. Department of Education

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Yo LI, any luck on using stolen identity's to get more SSN's ?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/

Illegal Immigration Costs U.S. $113 Billion a Year, Study Finds

[kytwell 179]

I'm going to stand by the fact that we do not need illegals.

[Ready to do it 101]

Hey, I'd be in favor of farmers employing prison systems to pick fruits in the field. I wouldn't even have a problem with setting tents up for them on the jobsite and having them live on the farms, heavily guarded. Though, I assume attorneys would then have a field day about the inhumane treatment of convicts.

I would not advocate prisoners doing any of the other types of jobs you have listed though... painting, drywall, concrete, etc.

Let's face it, I know I for one would much prefer a house be built by a contractor that employs illegals than lazy Americans. Not only to keep the cost down, but also for the finished product. Most illegals that are in the construction field do "A lot" better job than the American born citizen. Hands down, there is no argument.

We simply need to start utilizing the resources we have in the most productive ways. Be it illegals, prisoners, or lazy Americans. I.e. It's stupid to think a lazy American can pick fruits, just like it is stupid to think that prisoners can't do anything, just like it is stupid to think that we can't benefit from having illegals. We need all the mouths we can get in this country, as mouths are consumers.

We don't need the illegals. Use prisoners on work release programs. Maybe we need some temporary agriculture workers, not entirely sold on that yet. But the illegals here now are also doing roofing, concrete, drywall, painting etc, etc. Not exactly "unskilled" labor.(And was good enough to raise me and the majority of my buddies in "middle class conditions"..my dad was a roofer, uncles who were painters etc) I don't entirely blame the budget issues on illegals, but they aren't helping it either. We don't need them, we have other means "to get the work done,that Americans won't do". Prisoners on work release being my first choice.

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I'm going to stand by the fact that we do not need illegals.

Of course we don't need illegals and everyone and their brother knows that fact, yet some ignorant peeps think that everyone's as ignorant as them so they try and push that pro illegal bs.

Fact of the matter is there are legal ways of getting into this country to work. Plenty of visa's for that. All of us on this forum are here for the fact we chose to take the legal steps in regards to US immigration. We choose to abide by the laws of this great country known as the United States of America.

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But that is not the issue. The issue is "50 years from now, 100 years from now... which one threatens our ability to live in freedom?"

I live in a city that has a large percentage of latinos. My city isn't a third world sh*t hole. Every city will have it's area of sh*t holes and every city will have it's nice areas. What do you consider a third world sh*t hole? An area that has people that aren't your same color, an area full of people that don't speak your same language, or is it an area that is just full of trashy houses, etc? The first two do not bother me, and the last is a government issue. The only issue I care about is keeping my freedom and my ability to do whatever the #### I want, whenever the #### I want. The influx of illegals isn't going to stop that. Sure, you will argue that if it is an influx of drugdealers it would, because my safety will be threatened... .To which I would argue that "Legalize drugs and then we wouldn't have that problem." Isn't it funny on how every single negative, people want to argue that illegals are the problem, when the problem really isn't illegals. The problem is government policies.... social programs, wars, drug (il)legalization... those are the things that screw this country up.

What will stop my freedom? What has the ability to take away our freedoms? The continued ability of muslims to enter this country to the point where they are in the majority. I don't know what you define as a third world sh*t hole, but I for one do not care what others do or how they live. I care about how I live, and I never want to be told that I have to bow down and look toward mecca everyday or answer to a bunch of folks who you never know what they want to blow up next or who is going to do it. Illegals from south of the bordere aren't the ones we need to stop from entering this country.

Neither Muslim nor Catholic seeing how both of them are totally screwed up and backwards. Name some Muslim and Catholic countries that aren't considered third world sh*t holes. It's not easy to do.

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Hey, I'd be in favor of farmers employing prison systems to pick fruits in the field. I wouldn't even have a problem with setting tents up for them on the jobsite and having them live on the farms, heavily guarded.

Thanks, it's a common sense solution.

I would not advocate prisoners doing any of the other types of jobs you have listed though... painting, drywall, concrete, etc.

Agreed

Let's face it, I know I for one would much prefer a house be built by a contractor that employs illegals than lazy Americans. Not only to keep the cost down, but also for the finished product. Most illegals that are in the construction field do "A lot" better job than the American born citizen. Hands down, there is no argument.

My brother owns a small Home Remodeling company, he employs 7 American citizens. He's had 5 of them for over 7 years. He pays between $12-$30 an hour, depending on laborer or a skilled mechanic. And 90% of his work right now is remedial work on newer homes (ie less than 5 years old) constructed by large builders who utilized this cheap illegal labor. They all have leaks around the windows, doors and in the valleys, in areas where stone or stucco meets the wooden frame and other places where they weren't properly counter flashed. Maybe you say is a design flaw, but a skilled mechanic would have noticed it and had the pride to not have something he made, be faulty. An illegal has the mentality, can't see it from my house. I don't know your age, but I'm in my mid 30's and the majority of my buddies friends and cousin's fathers all worked in some type of trade field, some union, some not, but they all took pride in their work. So I don't agree with this at all.

it is stupid to think that we can't benefit from having illegals.

I can't see any benefit to openly allowing law breakers.