With an #OccupyVermont Shooting in Their Backyard, Will Ben & Jerry’s Admit Their Mistake?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I see how concerned you are.

You were using a purposely vague and incomplete "news" story to promote your personal agenda, whatever that is. If you cannot do so with the truth, at least lie aout some place is alreay a sh*thole anyway.

Okay!

Chaos erupts in Burlington’s Occupy Vermont Camp

Burlington, Vermont- November 10, 2011

Chaos erupted in downtown Burlington Thursday night after police tried to clear City Hall Park's tent city.

Scuffles erupted with dozens of protestors when officers tried to cordon off the park, to investigate a deadly shooting. A 35-year-old Occupy Vermont demonstrator was shot inside a tent and died at the hospital. Police believe the shot was self inflicted. Police arrested demonstrator, Haley Mason during the scuffles, but Mayor Bob Kiss told police to release her.

"I was walking through, didn't cross the police line, I certainly never crossed any of the tape and two officers, the first thing that they said is that I was under arrest and then one of them asked me if I wanted to be tazed," says Mason.

Kiss later admitted he did not know why Mason was arrested. Channel 3's Keith McGilvery asked Mayor Kiss if releasing someone for being arrested without knowing the details was the right move. Kiss responded by saying, "I'm not going to answer that question."

McGilvery asked Burlington Police Chief Mike Schirling if it was standard operating procedure for the mayor to have somebody released from police custody. "I don't know that is what happened, that wouldn't be normal, but we're certainly not operating in normal circumstances right now," said Schirling.

City Hall Park is now closed to demonstrators and camping. Police and the mayor are reviewing whether the tent city will be allowed there again.

http://www.wcax.com/story/16014342/chaos-erupts-in-burlingtons-occupy-vermont-camp

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Okay!

Yeah, terrible. I heard reports that someone actually raised their voice!!!!!!!

The park is empty now except for some band playing in the north end this morning but that is pretty typical, anyone can set up there and play music.

How much of your life do you waste on this? Just curious.

Edited November 12, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[luckytxn 2,265]

Okay!

Sure it was a suicide?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Sure it was a suicide?

That is what they are saying. There are many news sources other than the ones Crusty posts and this is pretty old news. There has been a lot of information releaased since then and it is being treated as a suicide. He was a 35 year old vet with known mental problems, depression, etc.

Even today Crusty is posting outdated, incomplete information in an attempt to make the Occupy movement appear worse.

Do not get me wrong, I am not a supporter of Occupy (I am not even sure what I would have to support if I was) but using clearly misleading information is lame. That is Socialist a tactic. It used by GW people all the time. Rather disgusting and insulting to our intelligence.

And no need to do it. That is what really disappointing. Why lie when the truth is plenty?

But immediately (read his post) he was blaming this on Ben & Jerrys! Ben & Jerry's? The Ice Cream company?????????!!!!!!!!!!!

[luckytxn 2,265]

That is what they are saying. There are many news sources other than the ones Crusty posts and this is pretty old news. There has been a lot of information releaased since then and it is being treated as a suicide. He was a 35 year old vet with known mental problems, depression, etc.

Even today Crusty is posting outdated, incomplete information in an attempt to make the Occupy movement appear worse.

Do not get me wrong, I am not a supporter of Occupy (I am not even sure what I would have to support if I was) but using clearly misleading information is lame. That is Socialist a tactic. It used by GW people all the time. Rather disgusting and insulting to our intelligence.

And no need to do it. That is what really disappointing. Why lie when the truth is plenty?

But immediately (read his post) he was blaming this on Ben & Jerrys! Ben & Jerry's? The Ice Cream company?????????!!!!!!!!!!!

So it could have been a murder?

[^_^ 5,021]

That is Socialist a tactic. It used by GW people all the time ... That is what really disappointing.

3.

(if that post was for you then you know what i'm talking about)

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

3.

(if that post was for you then you know what i'm talking about)

Insulting someone because of some errors made by typing fast and not spell-checking as opposed to addressing the issue which some people are unable to do.

I do not waste my time correcting errors to satisfy such intellectually bankrupt people and they cannot address an issue. Nor do I produce something to read by cutting and pasting things I wasted my life collecting off the internet

I win.

Anyone unable to understand the point, can say so and I will try to explain.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Occupation of City Hall Park on hold

Group strategizes on future of Burlington encampment

The Occupy Burlington group met Saturday to talk about how to respond to a police decision to clear the group’s remaining tents from City Hall Park, but came to no clear decision. They planned to meet again today at 2 p.m. in an unspecified location.

The group moved a planned 3 p.m. meeting in the park to the Community Arts Center at North Winooski Avenue and Archibald Street, but it was 3:52 p.m. before stragglers arrived and the meeting got under way, with a version of “Row, Row, Row your Boat” that ended with the line, “Unite and occupy.”

A brief refresher course on silent communication followed: fluttering fingers in the air: agreement; fluttering fingers straight ahead: unsure: fluttering fingers pointing down: disagreement; and on through a triangle sign, rising, falling fingers, and the block sign, like a hockey referees’ signal for interference. The block sign signified a core-value disagreement with a point.

Announcements followed. One man said that Burlington Police Chief Mike Schirling was “really not excited about us going back into the park,” and he said police were cleaning up wet sleeping bags and other objects. “The police,” he said, “are trying to get us out of there.”

“They took my whole tent,” one woman said. “They took the whole thing.” Earlier, Schirling told the Free Press police hadn’t given the group a deadline to remove their tents, though they had been “urging” them to. “We’ll do that within the next couple of days,” he said of a deadline.

The group as a whole seemed to accept that the encampment in the park was at an end. One of the working group spokespeople said they would continue to talk about getting the tents down, maintaining some kind of daily presence in the park, or meeting in other, unspecified locations.

A woman named Karen suggested that today’s meeting be devoted to Josh Pfenning, who police believe shot himself Thursday afternoon in one of the Occupy Vermont tents and died several hours later. Her suggestion was ruled a “proposal” rather than an announcement, and was therefore out of order. Several people called out they had already done that.

The meeting then moved to a discussion of whether the media should be asked to leave, and a proposal emerged that envisaged asking “corporate media” to leave, allowing “independent” reporters to stay, and requiring television journalists to provide the group with its “raw video” so the group could edit it properly. “They have not been transparent,” one speaker said of reporters. “We have been transparent.”

The Free Press was criticized for a lack of sensitivity to members of the group mourning the death of Pfenning and for being “hostile” to the group’s aim. One local television station was criticized as well, because a reporter, one woman said, brought a member of the group “to tears” by asking questions Thursday afternoon about Pfenning’s death.

The main objection, however, was that if reporters were present, the group would feel constrained in talking about their future tactics. “Some people are going to say some (expletive omitted) we don’t want played on the seven o’clock news,” one man said. He suggested that reporters be told to leave during discussion of strategy.

“If they’re accurate, let them stay,” another woman said, and then pointed to recent coverage by Seven Days as “horrible.”

The group then voted nearly unanimously to ask reporters to leave, but Ken Lawless, a longtime local activist, blocked the vote.

He said he would leave the meeting — which meant his block would have no force — but he objected to the tone of the discussion. “The First Amendment is his permit,” he said, pointing toward a Free Press reporter, “and his permit” — he pointed to a TV cameraman.

“I’ve never joined a secret society,” Lawless continued. “I don’t like the anti-free-speech thrust of this meeting. Do we only like it when it likes us?”

His remarks apparently had some effect, and in a second show of hands, enough negative flutters registered (90 percent being required for adoption) to move the question to a discussion group. That group ultimately recommended that the question be studied by the “media group” to develop a policy on when to exclude “corporate” — as opposed to “independent” — journalists from group meetings.

Shortly thereafter, time ran out at the Community Arts Center, which had made the space available free of charge only until 5 p.m. — a Brazilian dance group was coming in — and about 50 individuals moved next door to the worker’s center to continue group discussions.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111113/NEWS02/111112012/Occupation-City-Hall-Park-hold-?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Seriously?

Not many people hereabouts give a rat's @ss. Winter is coming and the use of the park is pretty well done for the season. The Farmer's Market finished the season the week before the Occupiers showed up.

There are maybe 2 dozen tents set up, now empty, and it looks like a window display for Outdoor Gear Exchange or Eastern Mountain Sports (two locally famous outfitters) The "protest" amounts to a few people holding signs during the day. They do not bother anyone. It is no different than the daily "War Protest" at the top of Church St., which was there every day until Obama got elected and then disappeared for a while and now came back.

Big yawn. This is Burlington, nothing really happens here. The "chaos" you reported was one woman detained for crossing the police line after the suicide that was purposely distorted here in this thread to be something other than it was. She said she did not cross the line, the police said she did (he said/she said) someone raised their voice above the normal indoor speaking voice and the mayor came along and said "Ok, guys, how about we just let her go on her way" and they did and she did. HOLY MOLEY!

See why I always carry a gun!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Occupation of City Hall Park on hold

Group strategizes on future of Burlington encampment

The Occupy Burlington group met Saturday to talk about how to respond to a police decision to clear the group’s remaining tents from City Hall Park, but came to no clear decision. They planned to meet again today at 2 p.m. in an unspecified location.

The group moved a planned 3 p.m. meeting in the park to the Community Arts Center at North Winooski Avenue and Archibald Street, but it was 3:52 p.m. before stragglers arrived and the meeting got under way, with a version of “Row, Row, Row your Boat” that ended with the line, “Unite and occupy.”

A brief refresher course on silent communication followed: fluttering fingers in the air: agreement; fluttering fingers straight ahead: unsure: fluttering fingers pointing down: disagreement; and on through a triangle sign, rising, falling fingers, and the block sign, like a hockey referees’ signal for interference. The block sign signified a core-value disagreement with a point.

Announcements followed. One man said that Burlington Police Chief Mike Schirling was “really not excited about us going back into the park,” and he said police were cleaning up wet sleeping bags and other objects. “The police,” he said, “are trying to get us out of there.”

“They took my whole tent,” one woman said. “They took the whole thing.” Earlier, Schirling told the Free Press police hadn’t given the group a deadline to remove their tents, though they had been “urging” them to. “We’ll do that within the next couple of days,” he said of a deadline.

The group as a whole seemed to accept that the encampment in the park was at an end. One of the working group spokespeople said they would continue to talk about getting the tents down, maintaining some kind of daily presence in the park, or meeting in other, unspecified locations.

A woman named Karen suggested that today’s meeting be devoted to Josh Pfenning, who police believe shot himself Thursday afternoon in one of the Occupy Vermont tents and died several hours later. Her suggestion was ruled a “proposal” rather than an announcement, and was therefore out of order. Several people called out they had already done that.

The meeting then moved to a discussion of whether the media should be asked to leave, and a proposal emerged that envisaged asking “corporate media” to leave, allowing “independent” reporters to stay, and requiring television journalists to provide the group with its “raw video” so the group could edit it properly. “They have not been transparent,” one speaker said of reporters. “We have been transparent.”

The Free Press was criticized for a lack of sensitivity to members of the group mourning the death of Pfenning and for being “hostile” to the group’s aim. One local television station was criticized as well, because a reporter, one woman said, brought a member of the group “to tears” by asking questions Thursday afternoon about Pfenning’s death.

The main objection, however, was that if reporters were present, the group would feel constrained in talking about their future tactics. “Some people are going to say some (expletive omitted) we don’t want played on the seven o’clock news,” one man said. He suggested that reporters be told to leave during discussion of strategy.

“If they’re accurate, let them stay,” another woman said, and then pointed to recent coverage by Seven Days as “horrible.”

The group then voted nearly unanimously to ask reporters to leave, but Ken Lawless, a longtime local activist, blocked the vote.

He said he would leave the meeting — which meant his block would have no force — but he objected to the tone of the discussion. “The First Amendment is his permit,” he said, pointing toward a Free Press reporter, “and his permit” — he pointed to a TV cameraman.

“I’ve never joined a secret society,” Lawless continued. “I don’t like the anti-free-speech thrust of this meeting. Do we only like it when it likes us?”

His remarks apparently had some effect, and in a second show of hands, enough negative flutters registered (90 percent being required for adoption) to move the question to a discussion group. That group ultimately recommended that the question be studied by the “media group” to develop a policy on when to exclude “corporate” — as opposed to “independent” — journalists from group meetings.

Shortly thereafter, time ran out at the Community Arts Center, which had made the space available free of charge only until 5 p.m. — a Brazilian dance group was coming in — and about 50 individuals moved next door to the worker’s center to continue group discussions.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/article/20111113/NEWS02/111112012/Occupation-City-Hall-Park-hold-?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

Civil unrest in Burlington. Fluttering fingers even!