Obama Team Says Prayer

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I think we should construct this in DC:

For all the great scientists. For the ones that will cure AIDS, cancer, disease, and much more to better society. They truly are deserving of a monument as shown above.

God created the FSM.

[Captain Oates 911]

Check out this guy in the attached...

That kid on his knee is my dad

5 weeks after this photo was taken, he was at Oppy wood in France at 3.45am when he was killed by the Germans.

The night before, he prayed to return to his wife and 5 kids

Perhaps he didn't pray hard enough

[Danno 1,228]

I think we should construct this in DC:

For all the great scientists. For the ones that will cure AIDS, cancer, disease, and much more to better society. They truly are deserving of a monument as shown above.

My friend you seem to forget Education/science and religion are historically intertwined.

IN our country alone, how many top schools can you name that were not build by churches before Gov't grants turned education into a profitable business?

In fact we are still waiting for some collective body of Atheists to build a collage founded on their "Faith".

[Captain Oates 911]

My friend you seem to forget Education/science and religion are historically intertwined.

IN our country alone, how many top schools can you name that were not build by churches before Gov't grants turned education into a profitable business?

In fact we are still waiting for some collective body of Atheists to build a collage founded on their "Faith".

The modern universities and colleges in England were built largely by atheists

Many of the lower schools were built by religious people, but they left for South Carolina and started obsessing about fertilized eggs - so the schools are State and run by normal people

Schools should be educating and not brain washing and indoctrinating receptive young minds with a load of superstitious nonsense with a view to tithing them for the rest of their lives

[Danno 1,228]

The modern universities and colleges in England were built largely by atheists

Many of the lower schools were built by religious people, but they left for South Carolina and started obsessing about fertilized eggs - so the schools are State and run by normal people

Schools should be educating and not brain washing and indoctrinating receptive young minds with a load of superstitious nonsense with a view to tithing them for the rest of their lives

Oh I don't know, Cambridge was the first name that popped into my mind so I thought I would see how Godless it was. (as you say)

Here is just one snippet-

Cambridge's colleges were originally an incidental feature of the system. No college is as old as the university itself. The colleges were endowed fellowships of scholars. There were also institutions without endowments, called hostels. The hostels were gradually absorbed by the colleges over the centuries, but they have left some indicators of their time, such as the name of Garret Hostel Lane.

Hugh Balsham, Bishop of Ely, founded Peterhouse in 1284, Cambridge's first college. Many colleges were founded during the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, but colleges continued to be established throughout the centuries to modern times, although there was a gap of 204 years between the founding of Sidney Sussex in 1596 and Downing in 1800. The most recently established college is Robinson, built in the late 1970s. However, Homerton College only achieved full university college status in March 2010, making it the newest full college (it was previously an "Approved Society" affiliated with the university).

In medieval times, many colleges were founded so that their members would pray for the souls of the founders, and were often associated with chapels or abbeys. A change in the colleges’ focus occurred in 1536 with the Dissolution of the Monasteries. King Henry VIII ordered the university to disband its Faculty of Canon Law[16] and to stop teaching "scholastic philosophy". In response, colleges changed their curricula away from canon law and towards the classics, the Bible, and mathematics.

As Cambridge moved away from Canon Law so too did it move away from Catholicism. As early as the 1520s, the continental rumblings of Lutheranism and what was to become more broadly known as the Protestant Reformation were making their presence felt in the intellectual discourse of the university. Among the intellectuals involved was the theologically influential Thomas Cranmer, later to become Archbishop of Canterbury. As it became convenient to Henry VIII in the 1530s, the King looked to Cranmer and others (within and without Cambridge) to craft a new religious path that was different from Catholicism yet also different from what Martin Luther had in mind.

Nearly a century later, the university was at the centre of another Christian schism. Many nobles, intellectuals and even common folk saw the ways of the Church of England as being all too similar to the Catholic Church and moreover that it was used by the crown to usurp the rightful powers of the counties. East Anglia was the centre of what became the Puritan movement and at Cambridge, it was particularly strong at Emmanuel, St Catharine's Hall, Sidney Sussex and Christ's College.[17] They produced many "non-conformist" graduates who greatly influenced, by social position or pulpit, the approximately 20,000 Puritans who left for New England and especially the Massachusetts Bay Colony during the Great Migration decade of the 1630s. Oliver Cromwell, Parliamentary commander during the English Civil War and head of the English Commonwealth (1649–1660), attended Sidney Sussex.

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The very first school I checked hardly sounds like a bastion of Atheism, need me to check others as well?

[Captain Oates 911]

Oh I don't know, Cambridge was the first name that popped into my mind so I thought I would see how Godless it was. (as you say)

Here is just one snippet-

Cambridge's colleges were originally an incidental feature of the system. No college is as old as the university itself. The colleges were endowed fellowships of scholars. There were also institutions without endowments, called hostels. The hostels were gradually absorbed by the colleges over the centuries, but they have left some indicators of their time, such as the name of Garret Hostel Lane.

Hugh Balsham, Bishop of Ely, founded Peterhouse in 1284, Cambridge's first college. Many colleges were founded during the fourteenth and fifteenth centuries, but colleges continued to be established throughout the centuries to modern times, although there was a gap of 204 years between the founding of Sidney Sussex in 1596 and Downing in 1800. The most recently established college is Robinson, built in the late 1970s. However, Homerton College only achieved full university college status in March 2010, making it the newest full college (it was previously an "Approved Society" affiliated with the university).

In medieval times, many colleges were founded so that their members would pray for the souls of the founders, and were often associated with chapels or abbeys. A change in the colleges’ focus occurred in 1536 with the Dissolution of the Monasteries. King Henry VIII ordered the university to disband its Faculty of Canon Law[16] and to stop teaching "scholastic philosophy". In response, colleges changed their curricula away from canon law and towards the classics, the Bible, and mathematics.

As Cambridge moved away from Canon Law so too did it move away from Catholicism. As early as the 1520s, the continental rumblings of Lutheranism and what was to become more broadly known as the Protestant Reformation were making their presence felt in the intellectual discourse of the university. Among the intellectuals involved was the theologically influential Thomas Cranmer, later to become Archbishop of Canterbury. As it became convenient to Henry VIII in the 1530s, the King looked to Cranmer and others (within and without Cambridge) to craft a new religious path that was different from Catholicism yet also different from what Martin Luther had in mind.

Nearly a century later, the university was at the centre of another Christian schism. Many nobles, intellectuals and even common folk saw the ways of the Church of England as being all too similar to the Catholic Church and moreover that it was used by the crown to usurp the rightful powers of the counties. East Anglia was the centre of what became the Puritan movement and at Cambridge, it was particularly strong at Emmanuel, St Catharine's Hall, Sidney Sussex and Christ's College.[17] They produced many "non-conformist" graduates who greatly influenced, by social position or pulpit, the approximately 20,000 Puritans who left for New England and especially the Massachusetts Bay Colony during the Great Migration decade of the 1630s. Oliver Cromwell, Parliamentary commander during the English Civil War and head of the English Commonwealth (1649–1660), attended Sidney Sussex.

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The very first school I checked hardly sounds like a bastion of Atheism, need me to check others as well?

I put the word 'modern' into my post so that the ancient universities would not be used as an example.

However, the MODERN atheist output of Oxford and Cambridge and all the universities of the enlightened first world is huge

The US us like Iran in it's religiosity. Of course the religions set up the schools from hundreds of years ago. People could be imprisoned or burned for insulting the church.

Sure doesn't sound like a commendation to me

Taking snakes and mysteriously impregnated virgins have no part in modern European teaching establishments - only in America

I wouldn't resent the religious so much if they just carried out their superstitions in private - but they come out into the world and try to impose their religious doctrines into the public law and make everyone obey them

People realize this now - look at this weeks elections - the religious egg promoters have been thrown back into their cultish sub culture by the electorate

Quite right too. Do it in private not on my lawn, and hands off my daughters ovaries. Who do you people think you are ?

Oh of course, authorized agents of god and carriers of the word that you heard in the dark in Utah or Alabama or some other backward place where weird rules are cooked up. Ridiculous.

[웃 910]

Check out this guy in the attached...

That kid on his knee is my dad

5 weeks after this photo was taken, he was at Oppy wood in France at 3.45am when he was killed by the Germans.

The night before, he prayed to return to his wife and 5 kids

Perhaps he didn't pray hard enough

The kid on your grandpa's (?) knee is wearing a skirt. Do you mean the kid on the pillow?

[Danno 1,228]

I put the word 'modern' into my post so that the ancient universities would not be used as an example.

However, the MODERN atheist output of Oxford and Cambridge and all the universities of the enlightened first world is huge

The US us like Iran in it's religiosity. Of course the religions set up the schools from hundreds of years ago. People could be imprisoned or burned for insulting the church.

Sure doesn't sound like a commendation to me

Taking snakes and mysteriously impregnated virgins have no part in modern European teaching establishments - only in America

I wouldn't resent the religious so much if they just carried out their superstitions in private - but they come out into the world and try to impose their religious doctrines into the public law and make everyone obey them

People realize this now - look at this weeks elections - the religious egg promoters have been thrown back into their cultish sub culture by the electorate

Quite right too. Do it in private not on my lawn, and hands off my daughters ovaries. Who do you people think you are ?

Oh of course, authorized agents of god and carriers of the word that you heard in the dark in Utah or Alabama or some other backward place where weird rules are cooked up. Ridiculous.

Nice try but lets look beyond the one word "modern" and see what your complete sentence stated.

The modern universities and colleges in England were built largely by atheists

You need to make up your minds, were they Atheist university then or now>

If you claim it's simply an Atheist endeavor now.....you will force me to post about the size and scope of the current theological studies program, the largest in Europe I believe.

I overlook your misunderstanding of American history but really now..... you have no excuse to be so far off base about your own history.

Tsk,Tsk Tsk.

Edited November 10, 2011 by Danno

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

My friend you seem to forget Education/science and religion are historically intertwined.

Indeed. Good thing we've come past that. Had we not, we'd be looking at our planet differently.

[Danno 1,228]

Indeed. Good thing we've come past that. Had we not, we'd be looking at our planet differently.

Indeed, we would be centuries behind where we are now.

Perhaps two of the greatest motivations for learning came from Religion and warfare.

Edited November 10, 2011 by Danno

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Indeed, we would be centuries behind where we are now.

Says who? Your pastor?

[Danno 1,228]

Says who? Your pastor?

Just to break up your routine, why don't you post a fact on the subject so I can shoot you down too, I still have a few minutes

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Just to break up your routine, why don't you post a fact on the subject so I can shoot you down too, I still have a few minutes

You're sitting there claiming that religion fosters science without having provided a shred of evidence.

[Danno 1,228]

You're sitting there claiming that religion fosters science without having provided a shred of evidence.

I said "historically", religion and education were intertwined.

Had the various religions not taken on the role of Educator, we would be much farther behind because there was very few others sources to do it.... particularly when it came to the "common folk".

Do you deny that?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I said "historically", religion and education were intertwined.

Had the various religions not taken on the role of Educator, we would be much farther behind because there was very few others sources to do it.... particularly when it came to the "common folk".

Do you deny that?

Invention came before religion. After all, man invented religion.